The 10 best listed players are ... You can vote for 10.

[amnesiac]

Gretz
Orr
Mario
Howe
Crosby
Beliveau
Hull
Jagr
Hasek
Richard

 

[Grifter3511]

I wonder if there was a goalie in MTL for Lemaire's entire tenure there. Imagine if that goalie never won another vezina after Lemaire left the organization.

Surely that goalie would also gets his accomplishments discredited like broduer does

Brodeur vezinas without lemaire: 4
Roy vezinas without lemaire: 0

Oh, oh.....now do Conn Smythes!

 

[dgibb10]

Oh, oh.....now do Conn Smythes!

Broduer had 7 shutouts in a playoff run and didn't get it. Roy had that many in a REGULAR season just 3 times in 2 decades.

If only brodeur bitched his way to a superteam the second the team wasn't stacked around him again like roy did.

Roy took over for an already elite team to start his career, then left for another already elite team, then when he retired that team remained elite.

 

[Grifter3511]

Broduer had 7 shutouts in a playoff run and didn't get it. Roy had that many in a REGULAR season just 3 times in 2 decades.

If only brodeur bitched his way to a superteam the second the team wasn't stacked around him again like roy did.

Roy took over for an already elite team to start his career, then left for another already elite team, then when he retired that team remained elite.

Devils and their trapping, all out defense got 7 shutouts and Brodeur didn't get the conn smythe? Shows how much the voters thought it was on him as opposed to the team and structure around him.

 

[Mike C]

Don't see Matthews

He's on the top 10 playoff performers list

 

[dgibb10]

Devils and their trapping, all out defense got 7 shutouts and Brodeur didn't get the conn smythe? Shows how much the voters thought it was on him as opposed to the team and structure around him.

It shows that Gigeure had an also utterly ridiculous run and that media hated Broduer because the way the devils put belt to ass was "boring"

Roy did not win a single Vezina without Lemaire in the organization.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

It shows that Gigeure had an also utterly ridiculous run and that media hated Broduer because the way the devils put belt to ass was "boring"

Roy did not win a single Vezina without Lemaire in the organization.

You don’t have to put the quotes around boring. It was boring.

 

[Grifter3511]

It shows that Gigeure had an also utterly ridiculous run and that media hated Broduer because the way the devils put belt to ass was "boring"

Roy did not win a single Vezina without Lemaire in the organization.

For my money, the most prestigious individual player award is the conn smythe. Meant you were more or less the best player when it mattered most and your team had success. Whether he was a rookie (86), on a lunch pail team (93) or a team of HoFers (01), Roy was the most valuable player.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

2006-07	19	PIT	NHL	C	79	36	84	120

2007-08	22	WSH	NHL	LW	82	65	47	112

No, he has zero.

Do people even think that’s crosbys best season? This Ovechkin season blows crosbys out of the water

 

[Midnight Judges]

We're comparing Crosby and OV, and you bring in a totally irrelevant to our discussion player from one of the highest scoring eras ever and a season that happened over 4 decades ago. I'm guessing Harvard Law is not on your resume'.

Points without context is not a good way of evaluating the quality of a season.

 

[Video Nasty]

Do people even think that’s crosbys best season? This Ovechkin season blows crosbys out of the water

Most people are really into 2013-2014, when four of the top five players behind him in PPG missed between 20-45 games, which created an illusion of individual dominance.

There’s really little else, other than the old favorite of cobbling together three separate seasons and pretending it is one.

 

[Caps8112]

my likely unpopular opinion, its tough to include goalies or idk how they should be properly included as they dont play all the games and no position is affected more by having an all star team in front of them.

Also saw someone say McD likely supplants Howe. Why not Orr also if he keeps up what hes doing. IMO Lemieux and Gretzky are untouchable but thats it when it comes to Mcdavids potential.

 

[blundluntman]

Brodeur had 1 win, 3 top 2, and 8 top 5 in the 10 years they overlapped.
Roy had 0 wins, 1 top 2, and 6 top 5 finishes in the 10 years they overlapped.

Broduer finished ahead of him basically every year except his rookie year (where he was splitting time still).

Before they overlapped, Roy had 3 vezinas and 1 other top 5 finish.
After they overlapped, Broduer had 3 vezinas and 2 other top 5 finishes (unfortunately getting robbed of a year of his peak by the lockout).

Fair enough, he has a slight edge voting wise; they're still equals during that time period factoring in playoff success and statistics. I don't think comparing their Vezinas tells the whole tale though.

For one, I'd say Roy's vezina wins were closer to Hasek's level of brilliance than Brodeur's. He had a pretty big gap between the competition in sv% in 89 and 90 Brodeure was top 10 only once in his vezina seasons iirc.

Not to mention the 3 smythes.

 

[um]

My top 10 matches the current top 10 votes.

Neat.

And Sid is at 87%.

Even more Neat.

Do people even think that’s crosbys best season? This Ovechkin season blows crosbys out of the water

Only stat readers.

 

[Video Nasty]

In order:

Gretzky
Orr
Lemieux
Howe
McDavid
Hasek
Crosby
Jagr
Ovechkin
Roy

 

[frisco]

I voted for nine. Messier is in my top 10.

My Best-Carey

 

[wetcoast]

Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Howe

Crosby
Hull
Hasek
McDavid
Beliveau
Bourque

McDavid will move up to #5 by the time he retires.

Mine is the same although I simply didn't include goalies so instead of Hasek I have Jagr but certainly understand that Hasek/Roy are most probably top 10 all time players but goalies are so hard to slot in.

 

[wetcoast]

Most people are really into 2013-2014, when four of the top five players behind him in PPG missed between 20-45 games, which created an illusion of individual dominance.

There’s really little else, other than the old favorite of cobbling together three separate seasons and pretending it is one.

20 year prime, the focus on best season, ie points is misguided here like usual.

 

[BruinDust]

1st PP Unit

Lemieux - Gretzky - McDavid

Howe - Orr

2nd PP Unit

OV - Crosby - Rocket Richard

Shore - Jagr

 

[Video Nasty]

20 year prime, the focus on best season, ie points is misguided here like usual.

Naturally, when a player wins a single Art Ross after past the age of 19, gets outperformed by the likes of Benn (twice), Tavares, and Kane at ages 27 and 28, and stops being a legitimate contender in the scoring race after 29, there’s an interest in shifting where we focus.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I'll admit Hasek was clearly above Roy (in the regular season anyway) while their careers overlapped. Roy's peak was arguably as good as Hasek's in the early 90s and his playoff resume puts him on the same playing field though.

Brodeur was great but he never hit the level of a peak Hasek/Roy. Despite being 10 years younger than both, he was Roy's (who wasn't even at the height of his powers) equal at best (he finished slightly ahead of Roy in Vezina finishes, they were close enough to be neck at neck). He doesn't have anything in his resume on the level of a late 90s Hasek (or Roy's vezina seasons), and he doesn't have a 93 or 86 level smythe performance either. Great player obviously but a tier below.

Roy in 1986 15-5 1.93 GA .923 save% with 1 SO he faced 504 shots
Roy in 1993 16-4 2.13 GA .929 Save% with 0 SO he faced 647 shots and added an assist

Brodeur in 1995 16-4 1.67 GA .928 Save% with 3 SO and faced 463 shots and added 1 assist
Brodeur in 2000 16-7 1.61 GA .927 Save % with 2 SO and faced 537 shots
Brodeur in 2003 16-8 1.65 GA .934 Save% with 7 SO and faced 622 shots and added 1 assist

You don't think these are comparable?

 

[wetcoast]

Naturally, when a player wins a single Art Ross after past the age of 19, gets outperformed by the likes of Benn (twice), Tavares, and Kane at ages 27 and 28, and stops being a legitimate contender in the scoring race after 29, there’s an interest in shifting where we focus.

Man if that isn't a biased sentence showing intent I dunno what is?

How about being the best regular season and playoff scorer in the league by a significant margin and bringing some decent intangibles as well?

Everyone knows that he lost.parts of 3 peak seasons and has had some other untimely injuries.