This the strange part for me. You suggest he's underrated and then point to the fact he's been top 5 in voting for Norris every year for the past 4 years (i.e. every year except his rookie year). He's clearly getting the recognition, how could he be underrated? I see you pointing to ESPN ranking lists, etc....but who cares, those things are meaningless, some are downright laughable.
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Totally agree he's not underrated, but someone can be ranked really highly and still be underrated. In his case though, yeah, he's ranked between 5-7 in most lists, something like that....you can argue he could be higher, you could argue he could be lower, it's not that obvious, so certainly not where I'd suggest there is something wrong here, guy is seriously underrated....
Whenever someone talks about overrated and underrated, I always start with how they are rated first, for obvious reasons, but a lot of times people forget that. As an example, everyone on the planet may agree that player X is the best player in the world, including me, but I could still suggest that player is overrated depending on how he is rated. That rating would obviously need to go beyond simply being rated #1 of course....it would go along the lines of suggesting the player is the best, 3 tiers above the next best player, close to Gretzky's level, etc......if that is a general sentiment for someone, I could very well suggest they are the best but overrated at the same time.
ManofSteel55
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I never said they couldn't. I said a player ranked really highly probably shouldn't be in the conversation for most underrated in the NHL. There's a big difference in between being underrated and being the most underrated, like the OP was posing.
He's the most underrated player in all of NHL because he's like 3 spots too low on some ranking?
I get it, totally agree with you, just flagging extreme examples....don't think Fox is underrated at all.
Lol, no. Fox deserved and would have still won the Norris that year even if Makar didn't get hurt.
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Underrated yes, most underrated lolno. And I am a Rangers fan.
With that said I think with a better partner than Ryan Lindgren I think more people would realize just how good Fox is. Look at Hughes’ improvement once he started playing with Hronek, or Makar with Toews.
With that said I think with a better partner than Ryan Lindgren I think more people would realize just how good Fox is. Look at Hughes’ improvement once he started playing with Hronek, or Makar with Toews.
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I like you Pavs, but man, Fox is pretty widely recognized among the best D players in the entire league. Even among your examples they have him ranked pretty highly (even for ESPN who knows nothing about hockey). Seems like a lot of hubbub of 1-3 spots on a ranking.
There are plenty of other players who are more underrated around the league.
There are plenty of other players who are more underrated around the league.
GreatSaveEssensa
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According to the OP it’s because his average rank is 6.3 based on the lists mentioned. An entire 1.3 spots below the top 5 ranking OP feels he should be.
Surely thats enough to be considered the most underrated player on the league /s
Voight
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I mean he only had nine first place votes (and had less than 10% more of the vote percentage) as is so I dont think so.
Makar missed 22 games in 2023, he wins the Norris handily had he played another 15 or so games.
Next, you're gonna say Makar could/should have won the Norris the last 5 seasons, lmao.
BrokenFace
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A young Norris winner on the NYR is underrated? Between this and the Bedard underrated thread, I'm convinced big market fans didn't know what being underrated means.
hamzarocks
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Nah fox had no business winning that one.
Makar and letang should have been higher finishes
He was part of a non playoff team. Him winning allowed EK65 to win in 2023 despite being on bottome feeder
Fox should have gotten 2023. 72 pts, elite defense, all 82 games played, Rangers were dominant finishing with 107 pts
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Pretty much this and it's almost impossible for a Ranger to be under rated.
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For all the talk about r/hockey not facilitating actual discussion, the first few posts in this type of longer thread (“i ain’t reading all dat”) are very Reddit-esque and contribute nothing. It’s just like-fishing.
I agree that Fox has become underrated, probably because his style of play is less flashy than some of his peers. Makar is the only defenseman I’d take over him. I can see the argument for Josi or Hughes but I think Fox’s overall impact is greater.
I agree that Fox has become underrated, probably because his style of play is less flashy than some of his peers. Makar is the only defenseman I’d take over him. I can see the argument for Josi or Hughes but I think Fox’s overall impact is greater.
Canadiens Ghost
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Hard no. Hes easily in the top 3 every year for best overal defenseman talk. Its consistently Makar, Fox, and insert the flavor of the week: Josi, Hughes, Hedman, McAvoy, Karlsson, or whoever is having a potential one off offensive year.
But in terms of overall defensemen who have little to no holes in tehir game, its Makar and Fox vs the NHL.
But in terms of overall defensemen who have little to no holes in tehir game, its Makar and Fox vs the NHL.
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