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Rumor: Teams wary of what Florida will do

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FlyguyOX said:
You're severely underrating the quality of Giroux.
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He was good in those playoffs but they didn't even come close to the finals and Tippet ended up being a top 6 player. Maybe he doesn't get to that level in Florida, but trading that much for a player who led you to only winning 4 games in the playoffs is not worth it.
 
Sticksandsun said:
:naughty: love to Faulk.
any possible retention there? A mil or 1.5?



Jackie boy is gonna be a Panther for a while *lights many candles*.
I'd hate to lose him, rather give many other of our F prospects.



No Reichel? Pass...
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If I was in charge I'd retain 50% I don't think Armstrong would tho sadly.
 
Sota Popinski said:
He was good in those playoffs but they didn't even come close to the finals and Tippet ended up being a top 6 player. Maybe he doesn't get to that level in Florida, but trading that much for a player who led you to only winning 4 games in the playoffs is not worth it.
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Yes it is if you won the cup 2 years later and made the finals as well. If winning the cup is the only indicator of success then 31 teams suck at trades every year
 
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Would the Panthers be interested in Karlsson? I'm not sure how the cap works without the Pens retaining 50% though, which won't happen
 
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JKG33 said:
Both teams acquired Karlsson and immediately got worse. It's not a coincidence.

I'm not going to speculate what goes on in Dubas' head, I'd probably have to suffer a brain injury to get that level of dumb.

You don't bring in a $10m d-man (who cant actually play defence) to be your #3, especially not if you want to win a cup. I'd also stay away from him even at 50% retained, but i understand others who may say he has some value there. But regardless of one's thoughts on Karlsson, Florida doesn't have expendable assets to make it worthwhile for Pittsburgh to keep $5m in dead money for multiple years so that's irrelevant.


I still wouldn't sign Karlsson to that but it's not a bad idea. I don't know that a team would even need to "give" Pittsburgh anything. Just being rid of Karlsson and his contract with no retention should be enough of an incentive
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How is Spencer Knight viewed? Is his contract seen as a positive or negative?

I am not familiar enough with their roster to know if they have any multi-year contracts that they would want to get rid of.

Karlsson (multi-year deal at 4M to 4.5M x 5Y, projected to LTIRetire before the end of it)
Nedeljkovic (1.25M x 2Y, half-retained)

for

Spencer Knight (4.5M x 2Y)
Assets (Picks, prospects, etc)

That deal gets Florida an NHL backup goalie to replace Knight for the next 2 years. Dumping his money subsidizes most of the Karlsson cap hit. Pittsburgh gets a possible goalie to form a tandem of the future with Blomqvist and fill a direct need over the short-term. Pittsburgh also gets a ton of money off the books and only burns a retained salary spot for 1.5 seasons instead of 2.5 seasons if they directly retain on Karlsson.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
How is Spencer Knight viewed? Is his contract seen as a positive or negative?

I am not familiar enough with their roster to know if they have any multi-year contracts that they would want to get rid of.

Karlsson (multi-year deal at 4M to 4.5M x 5Y, projected to LTIRetire before the end of it)
Nedeljkovic (1.25M x 2Y, half-retained)

for

Spencer Knight (4.5M x 2Y)
Assets (Picks, prospects, etc)

That deal gets Florida an NHL backup goalie to replace Knight for the next 2 years. Dumping his money subsidizes most of the Karlsson cap hit. Pittsburgh gets a possible goalie to form a tandem of the future with Blomqvist and fill a direct need over the short-term. Pittsburgh also gets a ton of money off the books and only burns a retained salary spot for 1.5 seasons instead of 2.5 seasons if they directly retain on Karlsson.
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Didn't we do this one yesterday?
 
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Hale The Villain said:
Sure, and far worse offensively.

EK would be a good replacement for Montour. Certainly getting him at 5M x 2.5YRs is infinitely smarter than paying Montour 7.1M for the next 7 years until he's 38 years old.

If you prefer a more defensive D, fine, but I don't think fit is an issue whatsoever.
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It is an issue, and I'm not concerned with either guy's offensive abilities, I am worried about Karlsson's defensive abilities. Maybe he'd push the Panthers into the next gear that they haven't found consistently this year, but we're still flirting with first without him and without them playing to their full intensity. Ek is slow, but he's elite at cutting zone entry and still plays a heavy backchecking game while having lesser offensive ability. I don't think Karlsson will do that to do that degree, Forsling is an all around top pair guy, that top pair would be next level with Karlsson, but I don't see it. And I'm not exactly high on Ek.

I'd rather see us find someone younger who doesn't cost as much who has a solid two way game. No idea who that is, but I'm not Zito. I'd take issue with him making a trade for Karlsson.
 
Linkens Mastery said:
If I was in charge I'd retain 50% I don't think Armstrong would tho sadly.
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I can see why, what happened to him this year?

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Kevin Musto said:
I've crunched the numbers. This is cap compliant.

To Chicago:
:hawks
-Spencer Knight
-Eetu Luostarinen or Evan Rodrigues
-Mackie Samoskevich
-the rights to Matvei Shuravin
-Florida 2026 1st round pick

To Florida:
:panthers
-Seth Jones (@10% retention)
-Arvid Soderblom
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You're selling Jones like he is some kind of hot commodity, which he ain't.
 
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FinlandPanther said:
Why would Florida care? You guys are playing for 10th. We’re playing for a cup.


Lmaooooooo. Beyond awful. The 10 percent retention kills me. For 50 it would still be a massive overpayment,


Yes it was lmao. They don’t win the cup without that trade. The only trade that sucked was Chiarot. That trade was beyond useless.
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Why are you defensive about a comment about a low statistical probability?

My comment has literally nothing to do with Florida caring or not, it's simply that it would be wild if the Flames finished higher than the Panthers.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
How is Spencer Knight viewed? Is his contract seen as a positive or negative?

I am not familiar enough with their roster to know if they have any multi-year contracts that they would want to get rid of.

Karlsson (multi-year deal at 4M to 4.5M x 5Y, projected to LTIRetire before the end of it)
Nedeljkovic (1.25M x 2Y, half-retained)

for

Spencer Knight (4.5M x 2Y)
Assets (Picks, prospects, etc)

That deal gets Florida an NHL backup goalie to replace Knight for the next 2 years. Dumping his money subsidizes most of the Karlsson cap hit. Pittsburgh gets a possible goalie to form a tandem of the future with Blomqvist and fill a direct need over the short-term. Pittsburgh also gets a ton of money off the books and only burns a retained salary spot for 1.5 seasons instead of 2.5 seasons if they directly retain on Karlsson.
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Highly doubt they move their heir in net for a defensive turd
 
Call NJD in the offseason about Dougie Hamilton if you haven't made a move for a guy with term by then
 
Kevin Musto said:
I've crunched the numbers. This is cap compliant.

To Chicago:
:hawks
-Spencer Knight
-Eetu Luostarinen or Evan Rodrigues
-Mackie Samoskevich
-the rights to Matvei Shuravin
-Florida 2026 1st round pick

To Florida:
:panthers
-Seth Jones (@10% retention)
-Arvid Soderblom
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Add Nazar and make that 50% retained and then maybe we can chat more
 
Sota Popinski said:
I hope they learned a lesson from it but it wasn't a good trade for them no matter how much you want to try to rewrite history. They got swept in the 2nd round by a team that didn't even win the cup. The only reason the 1st was 2 years out was because they wasted their next one on Chiarot
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Led to us getting Tkachuk and the Finals two years in a row including the Cup, I'll take that all day, but keep thinking you're onto something. Tippett isn't exactly missed and we're in first this year.
 
Laus723 said:
Led to us getting Tkachuk and the Finals two years in a row including the Cup, I'll take that all day, but keep thinking you're onto something. Tippett isn't exactly missed and we're in first this year.
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They could have traded Huberdeau and Weegar for Tkachuk without wasting assets on Chiarot and Giroux, but keep thinking you're onto something.
 
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FinlandPanther said:
Yes it is if you won the cup 2 years later and made the finals as well. If winning the cup is the only indicator of success then 31 teams suck at trades every year
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They won the cup without either of those players on the team. But sure, the Chiarot trade was genius, giving Reilly Smith away so Vegas would take Marchessault in the expansion draft was a masterstroke and every personnel move made in the past decade was the right one because they ended up eventually winning the cup years down the line. Some brilliant thinking there.
 
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Sota Popinski said:
They could have traded Huberdeau and Weegar for Tkachuk without wasting assets on Chiarot and Giroux, but keep thinking you're onto something.
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Sure could've, but it didn't happen. Getting swept led to us getting rid of a problem player, Zito went all in, those two didn't. But sure, carry on like you know more than we do, or just admit that you're just saying shit to say it and move on. Still won the Cup, Zito's still an elite GM, he learned from his mistake.
 
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