Olympics: Team Sweden 2022

[Eye of Ra]

ummm No,
Zib shouldn’t be their 1st line center.

yes he should. pettersson is not as mature and backstrom is getting old. zibanejad is in his prime

 

[Eye of Ra]

A fast look at the defensemen that play at least 17min per game even strength, minimum 41 games played. Sample size same as before, last two regular seasons.

GA EV/min, is goals against per even strength minute played. Then PPG is points per game as normal.


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Just like you don't want Erik Karlsson in his current form on the squad , you don't want Dahlin either. They are both awful even strength past 2 seasons.

If i'm playing McDavid there is no defencemen I rather want facing him than Adam Larsson.

intresting that nemeth is that high. he always gets bashed

 

[Eye of Ra]

about ek and dahlin, there is no need for them when we have klingberg, hedman and OEL. we got offensive skilled d-man.

Hedman - Ekholm
Brodin - Klingberg
OEL - Lindholm
Larsson - R.Andersson

 

[RedLeader]

about ek and dahlin, there is no need for them when we have klingberg, hedman and OEL. we got offensive skilled d-man.

Hedman - Ekholm
Brodin - Klingberg
OEL - Lindholm

I would have Adam Larsson instead of OEL but otherwise I agree with that lineup.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I would have Adam Larsson instead of OEL but otherwise I agree with that lineup.

well i think there is 8 spots. there is room for both

 

[theslatcher]

You forget that the stats are two seasons, it's a good sample size. It's not particulary vulnerable to your arguements. I'm not really sure what you are argueing at all tbh.

I never said that that is the list of who I think is the best defencemen sweden has only that i don't think that players on the bottom half don't belong on Tre Kronor. I like that Adam Larsson has trained against McDavid for many years and knows him like noone else on the team.

You are skirting my question, why does Dahlin have these caveats(mostly weak imo, you can't just ignore stats by cherry picking abitrarily important what ifs) beyond his irrelevant potential?

The size of the sample is fairly good(you'd obviously want more, as it's still pretty low), but the metric is bad. If player A plays with Högberg as their goalie, and B plays with Grubauer as theirs, with A facing much better competition, your stat shows that they're equal to each other, and you followed it by presenting Larsson as the best defenseman Sweden has by saying you'd want him against McDavid(without the context of him playing alongside McDavid, which doesn't really mean anything. McDavid is speed, not like he, or any player, goes 100% at scrimmages).

I'm not skirting around your question? Why wouldn't Dahlin get the caveats of playing for a Krueger-led Sabres? Why wouldn't Pettersson get the Covid+injurt caveats? Zibanejad covid? Hedman injury? If a coach heavily restricts how you play(in all 3 zones!), why wouldn't you get a caveat? I'll also give Ullmark the caveat of playing under the Sabres. Very interested in how he plays in Boston. Let the goalie wars between Lehner, Marky Mark, & Ullmark begin. The one who has played the best until the Olympics gets my vote for the starting gig.

 

[RedLeader]

well i think there is 8 spots. there is room for both

Are we actually dressing 8 defencemen each game though, or are those extra just for injuries?

 

[RedLeader]

The size of the sample is fairly good(you'd obviously want more, as it's still pretty low), but the metric is bad. If player A plays with Högberg as their goalie, and B plays with Grubauer as theirs, with A facing much better competition, your stat shows that they're equal to each other, and you followed it by presenting Larsson as the best defenseman Sweden has by saying you'd want him against McDavid(without the context of him playing alongside McDavid, which doesn't really mean anything. McDavid is speed, not like he, or any player, goes 100% at scrimmages).

I'm not skirting around your question? Why wouldn't Dahlin get the caveats of playing for a Krueger-led Sabres? Why wouldn't Pettersson get the Covid+injurt caveats? Zibanejad covid? Hedman injury? If a coach heavily restricts how you play(in all 3 zones!), why wouldn't you get a caveat? I'll also give Ullmark the caveat of playing under the Sabres. Very interested in how he plays in Boston. Let the goalie wars between Lehner, Marky Mark, & Ullmark begin. The one who has played the best until the Olympics gets my vote for the starting gig.

I was planning to standardize the goaltending across all players, I just didn't have time before i had to leave that's why a I wrote "fast". I wouldn't say it's bad though, the metric still shows the players we know to be bad defensivly like Karlsson and Dahlin to be bad defensively.

The problem with your caveats is that they are applied on one player but not compared to what ever player Dahlin would take his spot from. They are also subjective and speculative in nature, which is in stark contrast with your arguement against the stats which some has merits and some doesn't.

 

[theslatcher]

I was planning to standardize the goaltending across all players, I just didn't have time before i had to leave that's why a I wrote "fast". I wouldn't say it's bad though, the metric still shows the players we know to be bad defensivly like Karlsson and Dahlin to be bad defensively.

The problem with your caveats is that they are applied on one player but not compared to what ever player Dahlin would take his spot from. They are also subjective and speculative in nature, which is in stark contrast with your arguement against the stats which some has merits and some doesn't.

My main issue with the stats you presented weren't regarding Dahlin btw, but I can see why it was taken that way.

The stats from Dahlin's tenure under Granato exists, but it's a small sample, anyway, he would have an offensive role for me, as would Klingberg. I want two two-way pairings, with a shutdown bottom pairing. The top 2 pairings would be anchored by Hedman, & Brodin. Bottom by Ekholm. Lindholm/Larsson would complement Ekholm.

 

[RedLeader]

My main issue with the stats you presented weren't regarding Dahlin btw, but I can see why it was taken that way.

The stats from Dahlin's tenure under Granato exists, but it's a small sample, anyway, he would have an offensive role for me, as would Klingberg. I want two two-way pairings, with a shutdown bottom pairing. The top 2 pairings would be anchored by Hedman, & Brodin. Bottom by Ekholm. Lindholm/Larsson would complement Ekholm.

Fair enough. I also knew that Ullmark stats were actually pretty good on Sabres which would not flatter Dahlin in a more refined analysis. We'll get some more sample size during the season before the roster has to be submitted, it will be interesting to see development.

I also want two way parings and a shutdown pairing . I think Canada had the right mentality when they left off(or limited) any potential risky defencemen during Sochi, World Cup 2016. Sweden with our depth can afford the same mentality and leave Karlsson and Dahlin off the team. Sochi Karlsson had gamebreaking offensive potential so he was worth it but that ship has sailed now.

 

[Breakers]

yes he should. pettersson is not as mature and backstrom is getting old. zibanejad is in his prime

The why did Backstrom out produce Zibby last year?

 

[ecemleafs]

The why did Backstrom out produce Zibby last year?

zibanejad had covid at the beginning of the year and was terrible for like 2 months. over the past 2 seasons though hes clearly produced at a better pace than any other swedes.

 

[Phil McKraken]

The why did Backstrom out produce Zibby last year?

Did you read anything I wrote after my first sentence? Very likely the first half of his previous season was hampered by covid. If you've watched him before or after that span you'll know he's clearly above Bäckström currently.

 

[Breakers]

Zibby is trash defensively
And not great at driving play

easy pass on him being the first line center.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Zibby is trash defensively
And not great at driving play

easy pass on him being the first line center.

 

[Jahara]

Are we actually dressing 8 defencemen each game though, or are those extra just for injuries?

In international hockey they usually have 22 players dressed for every game, which probably means 2 goalies, 7 defenders and 13 forwards.

Is it anyone who knows the point in having to send the pre-roster with 50 players already? Some good player could perform good during the season and not be able to participate. Remember what happened to Hampus Lindholm in 2014 when he had his break but was not on the list and then was out of the Olympics. So silly.
Sveriges bruttotrupp till vinter-OS inlämnad

 

[RedLeader]

In international hockey they usually have 22 players dressed for every game, which probably means 2 goalies, 7 defenders and 13 forwards.
The big list has to
Is it anyone who knows the point in having to send the pre-roster with 50 players already? Some good player could perform good during the season and not be able to participate. Remember what happened to Hampus Lindholm in 2014 when he had his break but was not on the list and then was out of the Olympics. So silly.
Sveriges bruttotrupp till vinter-OS inlämnad

The big list is for player's to enter the Olympic anti-doping protocol. So some players will be tested without ever going to the Olympics.

 

[theslatcher]

In international hockey they usually have 22 players dressed for every game, which probably means 2 goalies, 7 defenders and 13 forwards.

Is it anyone who knows the point in having to send the pre-roster with 50 players already? Some good player could perform good during the season and not be able to participate. Remember what happened to Hampus Lindholm in 2014 when he had his break but was not on the list and then was out of the Olympics. So silly.
Sveriges bruttotrupp till vinter-OS inlämnad

For reference:

There's 67 Swedish skaters expected to play regularly/semi-regularly in the NHL this season.

The 5 goalies gotta be Lehner, Markström, Ullmark, Forsberg, & Gustavsson.

 

[weklof]

In international hockey they usually have 22 players dressed for every game, which probably means 2 goalies, 7 defenders and 13 forwards.

Is it anyone who knows the point in having to send the pre-roster with 50 players already? Some good player could perform good during the season and not be able to participate. Remember what happened to Hampus Lindholm in 2014 when he had his break but was not on the list and then was out of the Olympics. So silly.
Sveriges bruttotrupp till vinter-OS inlämnad

The article states that in addition to the 50 NHL players, they also had a reserve list with an unlimited number of players from Europe in case the NHL withdraws from the tournament. That eases my mind a bit, I was afraid that Garpenlöv used some of the 50 slots to name Euro players since he mentioned in an interview at SVT that he was planning to parallell squads - one with and one without NHLers. Would've been typical the Swedish Federation to waste half on the slots on Joakim Lindström and the like

 

[Jahara]

For reference:

There's 67 Swedish skaters expected to play regularly/semi-regularly in the NHL this season.

The 5 goalies gotta be Lehner, Markström, Ullmark, Forsberg, & Gustavsson.

And last season it was over 100 players from Sweden in the league. 50 names seems so low and do other sports have this protocol?

 

[theslatcher]

And last season it was over 100 players from Sweden in the league. 50 names seems so low and do other sports have this protocol?

90 skaters, and 9 goalies for a total of 99 Swedish players played at least 1 game last season.

Far fewer played regularly/semi-regularly. At the 15 gp cut-off to be considered playing at least semi-regularly, there was 67 skaters, and 3 goalies.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Oh god. Every swedish coach always take some washed up SHL veteran. You know that 40 year old Joel Lundqvist will get a spot.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Oh god. Every swedish coach always take some washed up SHL veteran. You know that 40 year old Joel Lundqvist will get a spot.

Joel dont wanna play for Tre Kronor anymore. So it will be mr.soft, Dennis Rasmssusen. I rather have Joel on the team than him. But the best option would be Anton Lander i think.

 

[Eye of Ra]

What do we have behind Lehner, Markstrom and Ullmark? Jonas Johansson and Filip Gustavsson seems pretty good. Anton Forsberg has experiance and is better than he get credit for. If there is injuries on Lehner, Markstöm, Ullmark i wonder if they choose a KHL goalie instead. We got a couple of good ones in KHL like Magnus Hellberg, Lars Johansson, Adam Reidenborn, Anders Lindbäck, Johan Mattsson.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Joel dont wanna play for Tre Kronor anymore. So it will be mr.soft, Dennis Rasmssusen. I rather have Joel on the team than him. But the best option would be Anton Lander i think.

We should take no one. Only NHLers.