I agree a lot with you. I'm always hesitant to support the idea of bringing on somebody because they'll "stick up for teammates" aka fight. But whether it's about a lack of confidence in themselves or in each other, you're right, there does seem to be a lack of fire. That's another part of a Downie-esque move that I like, I don't believe we need to be a team that fights to be one with guts, but the idea of bringing in somebody like Downie (maybe Ryan Reaves in St.Louis) somebody who wouldn't just play reliably, but would make their presence felt from the first shift of the game--I could picture that really spreading quickly to the rest of the team. Maybe call of McIlrath? I have to say, I'd be weary to call him up before he's ready--I would hate to see him become this year's bickell. I don't know what the solution should be, but you're right. Their looked defeated too often, like they don't have the energy to stand up for themselves, and especially on home ice, it's concerning.
Team sucks despite having alot of last year's problems correct themselves. Why?
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I agree a lot with you. I'm always hesitant to support the idea of bringing on somebody because they'll "stick up for teammates" aka fight. But whether it's about a lack of confidence in themselves or in each other, you're right, there does seem to be a lack of fire. That's another part of a Downie-esque move that I like, I don't believe we need to be a team that fights to be one with guts, but the idea of bringing in somebody like Downie (maybe Ryan Reaves in St.Louis) somebody who wouldn't just play reliably, but would make their presence felt from the first shift of the game--I could picture that really spreading quickly to the rest of the team. Maybe call of McIlrath? I have to say, I'd be weary to call him up before he's ready--I would hate to see him become this year's bickell. I don't know what the solution should be, but you're right. Their looked defeated too often, like they don't have the energy to stand up for themselves, and especially on home ice, it's concerning.
I don't want to butt in, and I ventured here bc I was bored after the game... but I think you guys are suffering from the same strange lack of confidence our guys seem to be suffering from. Both your team and ours should be playing better if you ask me.
CommaSynapse
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I don't know if it's necessarily confidence that's the problem. I think both the Rangers and Devils lack cohesion. For the Rangers, it comes from the shift in strategy under AV, as well as the turnover in players due to trades and the offseason. There's not much of a sense of community.
For the Devs, I think it's the same--same coach, yes, but losing Parise and then Kovy and adding a bunch of free agents isn't going to help cohesion or a sense of community. Add in a bunch of NHL debuts, and you're going to have some growing pains.
For the Rangers, consistency is a problem, but the personnel are also a problem. Our guys just haven't been producing very well, never mind we also have guys who just have a track record of not producing much. Brad Richards has put up the most offense for us this season and he's a 99% certainty to be bought out at season's end.
IronBloodedLion
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I'm afraid we're going to reach Calgary Flames level mediocrity, in that we're just "ok" for a prolonged period of time. Continually in neutral with no real way of going forward, or backwards (in a beneficial way).
Not good enough to win a cup, not bad enough to get a high draft pick. It's a frightening possibility.
Not good enough to win a cup, not bad enough to get a high draft pick. It's a frightening possibility.
The Rangers needed Staal to be Staal. The eye injury. He isn't the same player. Terrible.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/08/staals-likely-concussion-unfair-twist-of-fate/
Besides McD,none of their D have played. Stralman has been better than the other players. That's a big reason why the Rangers stink.
They need more goals.
Their role players stink. Hopefully Miller can build on his game from last night.
Boyle and Moore have 1 goal combined. Pyatt. Dorsett. Pouliot. These 5 players have played many games together this season.They have 5 goals combined.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/08/staals-likely-concussion-unfair-twist-of-fate/
Besides McD,none of their D have played. Stralman has been better than the other players. That's a big reason why the Rangers stink.
They need more goals.
Their role players stink. Hopefully Miller can build on his game from last night.
Boyle and Moore have 1 goal combined. Pyatt. Dorsett. Pouliot. These 5 players have played many games together this season.They have 5 goals combined.
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Staal is like Gord Kluzak. His injury situation won't improve as he gets older.
Give the kid a fresh start. It's just not working out here like it should have. The irony is that if he does join his brothers, it will be the hit by his brother than set the wheels in motion.
As of right now, he's practically untradeable.
Give the kid a fresh start. It's just not working out here like it should have. The irony is that if he does join his brothers, it will be the hit by his brother than set the wheels in motion.
As of right now, he's practically untradeable.
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Shady Brey
This thing has run it's course.
Whatever positivity there has been that began after the '04 lockout it has fizzled.
I wasn't thrilled with the way the team was playing under Torts, but I think it's obvious that coaching was not the main issue. I think he got us to the ECF through a sheer force of will. PLaying a brutal system that attempted to patch the many weaknesses of the player personnel.
We have a different coach now, with a different style, but he too is hitting the wall of limitations that our team has.
The team is not designed well. I and do not see any kind of fix that would take less than 3 years.
Expectations lowered.
I wouild not mind if they blew the whole thing up with a blockbuster. Take a shot. What the hell. This is going nowhere.
IMHO, not one player on this team is untouchable and that includes Hank.
End this era. It didn't get us there.
Hoping Sather retires soon. I'd like to see another Cup in my lifetime.
Whatever positivity there has been that began after the '04 lockout it has fizzled.
I wasn't thrilled with the way the team was playing under Torts, but I think it's obvious that coaching was not the main issue. I think he got us to the ECF through a sheer force of will. PLaying a brutal system that attempted to patch the many weaknesses of the player personnel.
We have a different coach now, with a different style, but he too is hitting the wall of limitations that our team has.
The team is not designed well. I and do not see any kind of fix that would take less than 3 years.
Expectations lowered.
I wouild not mind if they blew the whole thing up with a blockbuster. Take a shot. What the hell. This is going nowhere.
IMHO, not one player on this team is untouchable and that includes Hank.
End this era. It didn't get us there.
Hoping Sather retires soon. I'd like to see another Cup in my lifetime.
I agree about teh defense. Mcdonagh is one of the best defensemen in the nhl. Girardi and Staal have been mediocre. MDZ hasnt been great but AV is misusing him badly. I dont think Stepan has been better lately. Yes he puts up points but if you watch him throughout the games i havent seen one game where he plays well consistently. If he would play with a litle more intensity then both nahs and kreider would scorer every game and our offense would be much better
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Well, it was a lot more sane of a game than the Pens-Bruins attempt to injure fest.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
After 2011-12 they went all in for Nash, traded and let certain players go, and that was the risk. Would it make the team better or worse? The risk didn't work.
We see it all the time in sports. A team has X numbers of years to win it together with a core intact. Many times they get far but don't go all the way. The Sens of the late 90s, early 2000s San Diego Chargers, etc.
The Rangers have been through that a few times before. In 1975 they began to blow up the late 60s/early 70s teams, and in 1984 they began to blow up the late 70s/early 80s core.
I'm not saying it's time but it may be coming soon to blow it up and start all over again. This is the least fun I've had watching hockey (including the first half of 2006-07 and the 2009-10 season) since before the first lockout.
We see it all the time in sports. A team has X numbers of years to win it together with a core intact. Many times they get far but don't go all the way. The Sens of the late 90s, early 2000s San Diego Chargers, etc.
The Rangers have been through that a few times before. In 1975 they began to blow up the late 60s/early 70s teams, and in 1984 they began to blow up the late 70s/early 80s core.
I'm not saying it's time but it may be coming soon to blow it up and start all over again. This is the least fun I've had watching hockey (including the first half of 2006-07 and the 2009-10 season) since before the first lockout.
There is still 52 games to go. the problems are correctable. We really need a good 6-7 game winning streak. Hopefully that starts today
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Shady Brey
And prior to Nash we "went for it" with Gomez and Drury, and THAT, in my opinion was major setback that we have never recovered from.
I think that is actually the key blunder of the post 2005, era.
I think that is actually the key blunder of the post 2005, era.
Reality is coming home to roost for the simpleton argument that a coaching change would lead to more goal scoring and = success.
Sure, some players have improved, others have stunk - thats the way it goes every season. The major issue was expecting the foundational aspects of the team to stay in place when theres been major roster and coaching changes over the past 2 years. The mentality the team used to play with, the physicality, the staunch team defense, -- that stuff was taken for granted as something that'd always be there. Goal scoring become the fixation for Glen Sather and the majority of this board.
Now? The team still can't score (because, after all, you need a very good roster to score goals, not a mediocre one), the team is just about as vanilla as is can be, and the defense is leaky, especially when they have a lead.
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Shady Brey
Yep. The coaching change was a desperation move by Sather.
We should start planning for next season NOW.
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The Flames are following our model...the Rangers are the definition of mediocre.....when u win one cup in 74 years you are the standard....this organization will always be mediocre...history says so.
Every generation we get a few special players...Gilbert, Giacomin, Leetch, McDonagh, etc and we surround them with **** and we win nothing...repeat every 10 years for the next 50 years.
Tawnos
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I identify three problems with this team, right now:
1.) I still don't think they're confident in how they're being asked to play. There's still a "figuring it out" process going on. I'm not too worried about it, since this sometimes takes a while. Would be surprised if the 2nd half wasn't more in line with expectations.
2.) We really don't have enough speed or size at the center position. Something that could help: play Miller at C and Brassard on the wing on that line. Richards has gotta go at the end of the season, since he and Stepan are essentially clones of each other at this point. We've gotta get a group of center ice players that fit AV better. That means skating.
3.) We really are too even-keeled. That's been a problem with this organization for years, except for 10-11 and 11-12.
1.) I still don't think they're confident in how they're being asked to play. There's still a "figuring it out" process going on. I'm not too worried about it, since this sometimes takes a while. Would be surprised if the 2nd half wasn't more in line with expectations.
2.) We really don't have enough speed or size at the center position. Something that could help: play Miller at C and Brassard on the wing on that line. Richards has gotta go at the end of the season, since he and Stepan are essentially clones of each other at this point. We've gotta get a group of center ice players that fit AV better. That means skating.
3.) We really are too even-keeled. That's been a problem with this organization for years, except for 10-11 and 11-12.
I hate when people give up on the season when there is still 52 games to go. Look im not happy with the inconsistentcy but this team is not done.
PlamsUnlimited
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I'd agree with this. Our teams are sucking it up. Confidence, cohesion, communication too maybe.
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Could it be an option for the Rangers to make an offer for Patrick Thoresen ? http://en.khl.ru/players/16249/
He's got good production in the KHL, and unlike some of our softer giants, is not afraid to throw fists. He'd make a good fit for a 3rd line C here.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
I don't think anyone is giving up the season. Most likely this team does their usual hang around a playoff spot, make a low key trade and then grab the #3 spot in the division or one of the wild card spots with like 3 days to go in the season that they pull every year.
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm just a little bored of it. This team is no fun to watch, and has no pulse. Kreider, Talbot, Miller getting spot duty, and Fast making his NHL debut have been about all the "fun" of this year.
I'm a loyal fan and I've watched most of the games since the late 80s but I'm watching games (more like parts of fast forwarding DVR) this year just for the sake of watching them. It's like when you've watched a TV series for most of it's run that's jumped the shark and you watch just for the sake of watching something you're familiar with.
I think another of the parts to do with it is that we havent been a good ES team. We have been relying too much on our special teams and when we dont convert it stings us.
This is just not a good team thus far. In order of what's hurting most
Hags has disappeared I never notice him out there. Callahan has disappeared and makes a lot of mistakes. Their combined disappearance is killing the team the most imo. Even when the effort is there they make no impact
I'm not sure what Nash has been doing so far this year. He certainly hasn't been the driven player we saw last year.
Yet AGAIN there are huge swings and misses on FA's Poo and Pyatt. (Moore is good though)
Lundqvist has let in a LOT of soft goals.
richards will be invisible for 8 games and show up for 1 or 2. This would be higher on the list but let's face it's actually an improvement over his legendarily pathetic season last year.
Girardi stinks this year.
Staal is half of what he used to be. Maybe he's having trouble seeing the puck but is he having trouble seeing and defending entire human beings too?
Stepan is maybe doing 3/4 of what he did last year.
The bottom D pair has been bad.
MZA and Kreider stepping up can't cover all these issues. But most of these are offensive player issues.
Hags has disappeared I never notice him out there. Callahan has disappeared and makes a lot of mistakes. Their combined disappearance is killing the team the most imo. Even when the effort is there they make no impact
I'm not sure what Nash has been doing so far this year. He certainly hasn't been the driven player we saw last year.
Yet AGAIN there are huge swings and misses on FA's Poo and Pyatt. (Moore is good though)
Lundqvist has let in a LOT of soft goals.
richards will be invisible for 8 games and show up for 1 or 2. This would be higher on the list but let's face it's actually an improvement over his legendarily pathetic season last year.
Girardi stinks this year.
Staal is half of what he used to be. Maybe he's having trouble seeing the puck but is he having trouble seeing and defending entire human beings too?
Stepan is maybe doing 3/4 of what he did last year.
The bottom D pair has been bad.
MZA and Kreider stepping up can't cover all these issues. But most of these are offensive player issues.
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