WC: Team Slovakia

[Faterson]

Radicova was not PM already in 2012. Facts.

Learn some very recent Slovak history, please. She was prime minister until April 2012. The table is 100% correct, factually.

(You may prefer "facts" from some alternative universe, of course. Please stop. Thank you.)

 

[stastny12]

It is a huge step from junior hockey to the AHL and Roman, Ruzicka and Pospisil might not make the jump as easily as Studenic did.

I think that those three are way more talented than Studenic. But it also does not mean they are better.

Even with all these players you mention, we still don't have a good quality No. 1 center even when all the players are available.

True, but after looong time we would have more than one center in AHL. It is kind of promising. For our team it means definitely good news. They are not "world class" but all of them are competitive. And there is a decent chance that with them in roster, we would play a equal matches with top6.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

I think that those three are way more talented than Studenic. But it also does not mean they are better.


True, but after looong time we would have more than one center in AHL. It is kind of promising. For our team it means definitely good news. They are not "world class" but all of them are competitive. And there is a decent chance that with them in roster, we would play a equal matches with top6.

I think people have a tendency to underrate Studenic, maybe because he wasn't the most impressive player for the u20 team back in the day. Asides from Cehlarik, he is the one Slovak forward who is closest to making it in the NHL. He had a weaker second half of the season when it came to points, but what he said was that he hadn't different roles on the team later in the season. Which might be his advantage compared to the other guys, as I think he can play in bottom 6 as well.

Also, being more talented can mean very little. I always thought that Panik had more skill than Tatar, but Tatar has had the more impressive career between these two because he just has more drive than Panik does.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

Prediction: we won’t have a true no1 center until a young player such as myklukha or Slafkovsky emerges.

 

[Elvs]

I think people have a tendency to underrate Studenic, maybe because he wasn't the most impressive player for the u20 team back in the day. Asides from Cehlarik, he is the one Slovak forward who is closest to making it in the NHL. He had a weaker second half of the season when it came to points, but what he said was that he hadn't different roles on the team later in the season. Which might be his advantage compared to the other guys, as I think he can play in bottom 6 as well.

Also, being more talented can mean very little. I always thought that Panik had more skill than Tatar, but Tatar has had the more impressive career between these two because he just has more drive than Panik does.

Studenic has a pretty good chance of carving out an NHL career for himself imo. He's versatile, which helps a lot. He can contribute even when he doesn't score points, more so than Cehlarik or Dano. Studenic likely won't turn out to a high producing NHL'er, but he's on good track of becoming a bottom six forward that can kill penalties. I can see him doing that will being a 25-30 point winger at the NHL level.

 

[stastny12]

Studenic has a pretty good chance of carving out an NHL career for himself imo. He's versatile, which helps a lot. He can contribute even when he doesn't score points, more so than Cehlarik or Dano. Studenic likely won't turn out to a high producing NHL'er, but he's on good track of becoming a bottom six forward that can kill penalties. I can see him doing that will being a 25-30 point winger at the NHL level.

I see a little of Hagelin from his play. Is it a good comparison?

 

[Jakk123]

Ladies and gentleman, Libor Hudacek after the match vs GB: "Coach was nervous because we didn't play how he wanted us to play. We are Europeans, Slovaks. We played how we wanted. It didn't look like he imagined, but we pleased our fans."

What a dumb idiot.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Ladies and gentleman, Libor Hudacek after the match vs GB: "Coach was nervous because we didn't play how he wanted us to play. We are Europeans, Slovaks. We played how we wanted. It didn't look like he imagined, but we pleased our fans."

What a dumb idiot.

Boris Valabik was not impressed by that

Hudacek is too cocky for his own good (and let's be honest, he has always been).

 

[tobu]

So, we can switch off our calculators and see you next year.

 

[Jakk123]

8 straight tournaments without quarterfinals (also counting Olympics). Meanwhile, Germany with 3 QF appearences, Latvia and Belarus with 2, Norway, Denmark, France and Slovenia with 1. Sad.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

8 straight tournaments without quarterfinals (also counting Olympics). Meanwhile, Germany with 3 QF appearences, Latvia and Belarus with 2, Norway, Denmark and France with 1. Sad.

Yeah, especially given that this year as well as last year, one minute in one game was the difference between making it to the QF.

But, still, I think the NT is going in the right direction, we just need to learn to fulfill the game plan for 60 minutes, maybe even at the cost of not including a skilled but cocky player like Hudacek on the roster.

We also need a really good goalie, not just and average one and a difference maker like Germans have with Draisaitl if we want to make it to the QFs.

 

[elMatador]

Ladies and gentleman, Libor Hudacek after the match vs GB: "Coach was nervous because we didn't play how he wanted us to play. We are Europeans, Slovaks. We played how we wanted. It didn't look like he imagined, but we pleased our fans."

What a dumb idiot.

Hudacek sticking it to Ramsay for cutting his brother off the roster.
Ramsay should have benched him halfway through the 2nd period with Brits.
Despite 2 goals he is not the 1st line center. His FO% is terrible. Out of 4 games he was the team worst in 3 of them, only in positive numbers against lowly GBR.
CAN 2/11
GER 4/10
FRA 6/8
GBR 7/5

 

[Jakk123]

Yeah, especially given that this year as well as last year, one minute in one game was the difference between making it to the QF.

But, still, I think the NT is going in the right direction, we just need to learn to fulfill the game plan for 60 minutes, maybe even at the cost of not including a skilled but cocky player like Hudacek on the roster.

We also need a really good goalie, not just and average one and a difference maker like Germans have with Draisaitl if we want to make it to the QFs.

The bad part is I don't think we're going to have such a strong team in the near future. All it takes is one/two injuries or Tatar/Panik making it far in the playoffs. I don't know when do we want to make the QFs if not this year.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

The bad part is I don't think we're going to have such a strong team in the near future. All it takes is one/two injuries or Tatar/Panik making it far in the playoffs. I don't know when do we want to make the QFs if not this year.

Probably not, but sometimes it is the weaker team that has the little bit more luck.

Also, I like Tatar, but he was over motivated in this tourney to a point where I think that we didn't really have a top 1st line.

 

[Elvs]

With the quarter final out of reach I really hope Godla gets the chance to play against Denmark.

 

[Elvs]

I see a little of Hagelin from his play. Is it a good comparison?

Yeah it's a far comparison, though I think Studenic has better hands than Hagelin ever had.

 

[elMatador]

Yeah, especially given that this year as well as last year, one minute in one game was the difference between making it to the QF.

But, still, I think the NT is going in the right direction, we just need to learn to fulfill the game plan for 60 minutes, maybe even at the cost of not including a skilled but cocky player like Hudacek on the roster.

We also need a really good goalie, not just and average one and a difference maker like Germans have with Draisaitl if we want to make it to the QFs.

Ultimate responsibility is on the coach. The roster selection was his decision. Also some of his game time decisions were head-scratcher.
Giving Ciliak the start instead of Rybar with FIN was wrong. You don't change the winning formula.
Dano is not a top6 player. Giving him time on PP after PP was just plain stupid, he should have never been on PP in the first place.
PK structure and the player selection in the first 3 games was atrocious.
Asking Marincin to protect the lead with GER 2min to go was outrageous. Asking Marinicin 60 seconds later to protect the tie was just out of this world to comprehend.

 

[kudla]

Honestly, I would not be surprised if we didn't make it to the QFs in next 10 years. This is a serious concern and we should be ready to face it. The new generation is coming up and it will take some time.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Ultimate responsibility is on the coach. The roster selection was his decision. Also some of his game time decisions were head-scratcher.
Giving Ciliak the start instead of Rybar with FIN was wrong. You don't change the winning formula.
Dano is not a top6 player. Giving him time on PP after PP was just plain stupid, he should have never been on PP in the first place.
PK structure and the player selection in the first 3 games was atrocious.
Asking Marincin to protect the lead with GER 2min to go was outrageous. Asking Marinicin 60 seconds later to protect the tie was just out of this world to comprehend.

I would imagine that goalie coach had some say in goalie selection. Also, based on Rybar's game against CAN, he might not have had a great game against Finland either.

But let's not play the what if games...

And let's point out a couple of mistakes (in your opinion) and omit all of the good things he has brought like playing it simple and shooting the puck on the net instead of overplaying the puck which has lead us to struggle against weaker teams even in the golden years. Or not playing the puck along the boards in the offensive zone like we did in the WCs since 2008.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

2 week fans will say it was a successful tournament and go back to not paying attention to the crumbling NT. I mean what the hell is going on here. Hudacek is an idiot but so is Ramsay. He should visit Slovak language courses. Somehow this loss will be blamed on officiating ( I know it wasn’t the best for us) and not our own failures. Oh well, let’s pray for young talent.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

There was positives from this tournament, young guys showed up and played well. Some others have made a big jump in progression (Lantosi, Liska). All I know is we are in desperate need of a superstar, even other nations outside top dogs have big time players we lack. Let us pray for the young ones

 

[slovakiasnextone]

2 week fans will say it was a successful tournament and go back to not paying attention to the crumbling NT. I mean what the hell is going on here. Hudacek is an idiot but so is Ramsay. He should visit Slovak language courses. Somehow this loss will be blamed on officiating ( I know it wasn’t the best for us) and not our own failures. Oh well, let’s pray for young talent.

SZLH is already doing damage control on Hudacek's interview: Libor Hudáček uviedol svoje slová na pravú mieru: Nechcel som naznačiť, že si robíme na ľade, čo sa nám zachce

And what exactly would be the point of Ramsey learning Slovak? A language that is extremely tricky to learn for an English speaker. He had an army of assistants who all could speak the language and translate, but even without that at least 17-18 of our players have played overseas or in SWE/FIN and they have to understand enough English to understand instructions from a coach.

No point in getting nationalistic, there have been plenty of Slovak NT coaches who could speak Slovak, but didn't have any good results.

 

[elMatador]

I would imagine that goalie coach had some say in goalie selection. Also, based on Rybar's game against CAN, he might not have had a great game against Finland either.

But let's not play the what if games...

And let's point out a couple of mistakes (in your opinion) and omit all of the good things he has brought like playing it simple and shooting the puck on the net instead of overplaying the puck which has lead us to struggle against weaker teams even in the golden years. Or not playing the puck along the boards in the offensive zone like we did in the WCs since 2008.

No one is denying that the overall performance has been much better under Ramsay than in previous years.
However with all the pros it is important to mention also the cons.
There are 2 ares where I thought he would be much better as a coach from NA. Scouting and match ups.
Canada played a set play the last minute. 40 sec to go Ciliak was barely able to deflect a shot from Marchessault. One goal Marchessault already scored from there. Just from watching the Vegas I know he just loves to shoot from that spot. Stone shot later was a beauty. Same place, same shot as Marchessault's.
The goals scored on Rybar and Ciliak looked like nobody told them who to watch and where they shoot on any team.
Match up lines were very poor. Game with FIN for example. Kakko was the most obvious threat. He should have had him shadowed with the defensive forwards alongside with Cernak instead of Fehervary the last 10min in the 3rd period to keep the tie.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

No one is denying that the overall performance has been much better under Ramsay than in previous years.
However with all the pros it is important to mention also the cons.
There are 2 ares where I thought he would be much better as a coach from NA. Scouting and match ups.
Canada played a set play the last minute. 40 sec to go Ciliak was barely able to deflect a shot from Marchessault. One goal Marchessault already scored from there. Just from watching the Vegas I know he just loves to shoot from that spot. Stone shot later was a beauty. Same place, same shot as Marchessault's.
The goals scored on Rybar and Ciliak looked like nobody told them who to watch and where they shoot on any team.
Match up lines were very poor. Game with FIN for example. Kakko was the most obvious threat. He should have had him shadowed with the defensive forwards alongside with Cernak instead of Fehervary the last 10min in the 3rd period to keep the tie.

Yeah, on this I can agree. Maybe instead of having all those assistants with little to no coaching experience, they should have hired a scout who would work on this.

 

[smitty10]

I think Slovakia has a bright future with their current crop of young players and prospects coming through.

Cernak
Cehlarik
Jaros
Fehervary
Ruzicka
Studenic
Pospisil
Roman
Hrenak
Durny

Add that group to Panik, Tatar and some lesser players like Liska, Marincin, Dano and you have a pretty good core of young players. This is the first time in a while that Slovakian hockey has a positive outlook for their national program.