Olympics: Team Russia 2022

[Caser]

Just in case if someone is trying to understand what exactly are we discussing here:

 

[vorky]

I mean maybe he has for CSKA as well here and there, not like I watch every game. But by and large, his natural position seems to be wing through and through.

Not sure what are you trying to say. That there is more than one?

Esmatovich is the advisor & Kovalchuk is GM.

 

[Atas2000]

The goalie situation is pretty sad (which is whatever as long as they don't pick Samonov and Askarov to the final team because SKA things)

1.How is it sad? Those are the goalies we have in the K. Tey aren't the best in the world. Those are in the NHL. Is that news? But the guys selected aren't also bad by any measure. For the KHL level they are good.

2.What SKA things? Askarov is there because he is the one promising prospect in his age group. Young goaltenders are there. Who would you prefer on the extended list? Koshechkin? The choices are pretty obvious. Samonov is there not because of SKA, but because of his NT experience. Yes, he is probably the worst on the list, but I see the logic. And it is not SKA things. Otherwise a guy like Shugayev would never have a chance.

and whoever picked that defense is just one big joker. I understand they wanted to have a balance between righties and lefties but seriously... Yelesin over Marchenko

That clearly tells me you were not watching EHT games. Yelesin was best D-man in those games. You can argue about leaving out Marchenko(who was in those games too btw and wasn't lights out to support your claim), but Yelesin is in as a no.3. - no.4 on the depth chart easily.

You don't have to be a genious. You have to watch NT games and see why this coaching staff picked those players after how they performed for them.

Karnaukhov hasn't played center since junior and he has hands of stone, what are you thinking. "Surprisingly great" my ass.

Try watching the games. Stone hands? Stop reading stats and watch him play. I was concermned years ago about his intivation to the NT. I am not now. He looks like a player with hockey IQ and hands. Is he Datsyuk? Of course not. But he is fine on this roster.

Tkachyov is under COVID protocole. Okay, make Semenov the 2C, but I am not a fan. Neither of the 2C call for him, nor the player.

 

[Atas2000]

Karnaukhov was, unfortunately, even sometimes a second line center at the last World Championships.

With our center woes it is not surprising. How many prime Datsyuks do we have to replace him?

 

[Caser]

With our center woes it is not surprising. How many prime Datsyuks do we have to replace him?

Yeah, but Karnaukhov is more of a grinder, that's why him in that role was kind of painful to watch.

 

[Atas2000]

Yeah, but Karnaukhov is more of a grinder, that's why him in that role was kind of painful to watch.

I liked him on the NT more than once. Granted that was at EHT. Most important question is though who is better?

 

[Caser]

I liked him on the NT more than once. Granted that was at EHT. Most important question is though who is better?

Yeah, not an easy question. I think we can agree that Shipachyov is likely the #1 center here, for #3 and #4 I'd maybe think of Kadeikin and Karnaukhov, as for #2 center, if there's someone like Gusev on that line he can take care of the playmaking, so maybe trying Voronkov as a #2 center would make sense.

But actually we can discuss whatever we want here, still they will take those who will just "survive" couple of rounds of Covid testing, sounds like there are already guys who didn't make it to the camp because of that.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Because Vasilevski, Shesterkin, Sorokin and all the others aren't. Why shouldn't he be on the extended list? It's not like they left out some top KHL goalies.

Kochetkov not getting a look before Askarov is a little puzzling, no?

 

[nickp91]

not bringing back Koshechkin is bizarre considering he won them gold in 2018 and he currently leads the KHL in save percentage

 

[Caser]

not bringing back Koshechkin is bizarre considering he won them gold in 2018 and he currently leads the KHL in save percentage

He is almost 39, played only 14 games this season, not to mention that he is injured and won't return rather soon.

 

[Zine]

Kochetkov not getting a look before Askarov is a little puzzling, no?

Askarov's not getting a look. He's in camp for the experience. Wouldnt suprise me if they made him 3rd goaltender for that reason too.

 

[Atas2000]

Kochetkov not getting a look before Askarov is a little puzzling, no?

There are goalies in the KHL who have better stats than Kochetkov. Kochetkov being a NHL prospect doesn't make him a better choice. Yeah, sure he is havin himself a nice season, but the choices for this roster were obvious. All of them guys who have already played for the NT in some tournaments over unknowns to the coaching staff. Including a young Shugayev who plays for a team that is by no means a powerhouse, but was called up for some EHT games and was solid in those. Askarov here is the top-prospect. He is not going to be the starter anyway. I don't see a bias here. We could have Koshechkin in net again. He has better stats than anyone this season. I see a pretty balanced group. Sure, I would prefer Kochetkov over say Samonov, but it is what it is.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Askarov and Samonov both had a terrible season. Why someone like Alikin wasn't even given a chance, ever? Literally, 3 out of 5 goalies on the shortlist are barely KHL level and don't belong anywhere near the team that's supposedly the best selections possible. "Samonov is there due to NT experience" - oh really? And isn't the only reason he has that experience over other goalies just the fact he plays for SKA because they liked him, for whatever reason? What were the objective reasons for him acquiring that experience in the first place?

Going back to Yelesin's case, the guy is 5th D on Loko in ice time. The guy failed in the AHL completely as well. Nice to know he is good enough for team Russia though because he had a few decent EHT games. If you think mediocre players magically become good when they play for NT one might really like this team. I doubt the jersey you wear has some kind of magic powers though. And sure he has some qualities but anyone making this kind of selection is just missing the forest for the trees. The entire selection of righties on this team is just some kind of wonky niche projects. Ok, Yelesin aside, why are Vishnevsky and Minulin there? Also looked great in EHT?

Regarding Karnaukhov, I really don't know which one of us should be watching more games. The guy's best qualities is his goalscoring and size/straight-line speed combo. He is also playmaking black hole and if you don't think that's hands of stone you have pretty low expectations for "soft hands". Someone like Kadeykin is literally all you want in the scoring line center, a poor man's Malkin. Yet he is on the 4th line and Karnaukhov is playing as Gusev's center I don't know how many games do I have to watch for it to make sense.

not bringing back Koshechkin is bizarre considering he won them gold in 2018 and he currently leads the KHL in save percentage

I mean the guy is backup on his own team, Sv% doesn't mean shit in the KHL.

 

[Zine]

Correct. There's just no defending some of these decisions. Askarov, Samonov, Yelesin, Mukhamadullin, Telegin, Chistyakov, Pylenkov, Minulin, Gritsyuk, Kayumov have no business whatsoever in training camp. I don't care how well they played at EHT or what their future potential is.

I mean who needs Okulov, Zhafyarov, Tolchinsky, Marchenko, Rafikov when you can have the Vishnevski's of the league? WTF? But whatever, guys are already showing up late and Zhamnov isn't even there because of Covid. What a circus.

 

[Garl]

Correct. There's just no defending some of these decisions. Askarov, Samonov, Yelesin, Mukhamadullin, Telegin, Chistyakov, Pylenkov, Minulin, Gritsyuk, Kayumov have no business whatsoever in training camp. I don't care how well they played at EHT or what their future potential is.

I mean who needs Okulov, Zhafyarov, Tolchinsky, Marchenko, Rafikov when you can have the Vishnevski's of the league? WTF? But whatever, guys are already showing up late and Zhamnov isn't even there because of Covid. What a circus.

Gritsyuk is hot at the moment, was Avagard best player lately. Vishnevsky will not play at OG most likely, they brought him maybe because Zhamnov coached Spartak. Marchenko is an omission, looks like him and Shalunov have betrayed Yesmantovitch.

Okulov is having a mediocre season. Zhafyarov is new Kagarlitsky of KHL, good player on weak team.

 

[Atas2000]

Correct. There's just no defending some of these decisions. Askarov, Samonov, Yelesin, Mukhamadullin, Telegin, Chistyakov, Pylenkov, Minulin, Gritsyuk, Kayumov have no business whatsoever in training camp. I don't care how well they played at EHT or what their future potential is.

I mean who needs Okulov, Zhafyarov, Tolchinsky, Marchenko, Rafikov when you can have the Vishnevski's of the league? WTF? But whatever, guys are already showing up late and Zhamnov isn't even there because of Covid. What a circus.

You need to actually watch the KHL and the NT play.

You are waaaaay off with nearly all the players you mentioned.

And what's your problem with COVID protocole? It is bothering everybody in the same manner right now.

 

[SoundAndFury]

You need to actually watch the KHL and the NT play.

Yes, because <10% of the games people play for NT carry the same weight as >90% they play in the KHL.

 

[IceHockey19]

I'll try my version of roster:

Gusev - Shipachev - Grigorenko
Kuzmenko - Anismov - Burdasov
Gritsyuk - Karnaukhov - Voronkov
Marchenko - Kadeikin - Plotnikov

Nesterov - Chistyakov
Voynov - Mukhamadullin
Elesin - Yakovlev
Vishnevski - Nikishin

Fedotov
Bilyalov
Samonov

 

[Atas2000]

Yes, because <10% of the games people play for NT carry the same weight as >90% they play in the KHL.

Playing in the KHL is mostly playing for the same coach with the same linemates. We all know players can look completely different in different systems. The NT play is first of all playing in a different system with different linemates. It also is a higher level of play. I for example totally get not inviting Rashevskiy or Tertyshny. They looked lost in EHT. Expecting them to shine at a much more important tournament with even better rosters would be a risk at best. They might get to that level in the future, but for now they lack the experience.

And don't even start about Askarov. He is a goalie who is not seen to be more than a backup on that roster who might get a game against a weaker team which he is going to handle. As a top prospect his age there is nothing wrong about giving him that chance. And let's put that straight he is not having a bad season. Just a not as good one as expected of the prospect of his level. He has decent numbers. At 19. Yes, we all wanted him to sit at 1.00GAA and .950+ SV%, but it also isn't like he is under .900.

 

[SoundAndFury]

And don't even start about Askarov.

As it happens I wasn't talking about Askarov. I was mostly talking about Samonov whom you conveniently keep quiet about.

Anyway, Russia messing up their selection just makes the tournament more interesting so good for you. I hope Samonov is the starting goalie as well, because of "NT experience".

 

[Atas2000]

As it happens I wasn't talking about Askarov. I was mostly talking about Samonov whom you conveniently keep quiet about.

Anyway, Russia messing up their selection just makes the tournament more interesting so good for you. I hope Samonov is the starting goalie as well, because of "NT experience".

If you'd read my posts, you'd know I am neither keeping quiet about Samonov, nor do I ever do something "conveniently". Samonov is there on the same premise. He is tested on the NT. As I stated, he is the worst on the extended list. Now what?

It is you who conveniently keeps quiet about Fedotov who is 25 or Shugayev who is 23 and on none of the big teams. The selections aren't perfect, but they aren't a conspiracy theories worthy case too. Going with untested goalies who are hot like Alikin is the same as going with Askarov. They might perform... or fail.

 

[Atas2000]

I'll try my version of roster:

Gusev - Shipachev - Grigorenko
Kuzmenko - Anismov - Burdasov
Gritsyuk - Karnaukhov - Voronkov
Marchenko - Kadeikin - Plotnikov

Nesterov - Chistyakov
Voynov - Mukhamadullin
Elesin - Yakovlev
Vishnevski - Nikishin

Fedotov
Bilyalov
Samonov

It makes no sense not playing the Galimov - Voronkov connection together. As well as not playing Shiachyov with Galiev who is only on the roster for that one purpose.

Chistyakov on the 1st pairing is pretty funny too. I would be okay with him on the 4th pairing.

 

[IceHockey19]

I don't understand why Vasily Koshechkin is not invited to olympics:
Vasily Koshechkin
Height 200 cm
Weight 115 kg
Age 38 (not a problem if he's playing well)
This season: 14 games, 10 wins, saves 93.4%, 2.01 GAA
Looking at stats, he's better then his teammate Olkinuora, who will play for Finland

 

[Atas2000]

I don't understand why Vasily Koshechkin is not invited to olympics:
Vasily Koshechkin
Height 200 cm
Weight 115 kg
Age 38 (not a problem if he's playing well)
This season: 14 games, 10 wins, saves 93.4%, 2.01 GAA
Looking at stats, he's better then his teammate Olkinuora, who will play for Finland

Because he is an aging backup on the best team in the league(thus his stats).

 

[Urbanskog]

I don't understand why Vasily Koshechkin is not invited to olympics:
Vasily Koshechkin
Height 200 cm
Weight 115 kg
Age 38 (not a problem if he's playing well)
This season: 14 games, 10 wins, saves 93.4%, 2.01 GAA
Looking at stats, he's better then his teammate Olkinuora, who will play for Finland

If that was the case, Koshechkin would have played 36 games while Olkinuora would have played 14.