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I haven't seen any grit in Pärssinens career so far.
I never mentioned grit. Two-way means "defensively responsible", and that's what he is. In the NHL he seems to be making a career for himself as a bottom/middle-six center (the Rangers liked him well enough as one that they just extended him for two years), and that's exactly what he's being asked of in this lineup.

This being said, I did expect to see him higher up, given how thin we are in the position. But 3rd line C is more or less the same role his club teams have asked of him so far.
 
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I never mentioned grit. Two-way means "defensively responsible", and that's what he is. In the NHL he seems to be making a career for himself as a bottom/middle-six center (the Rangers liked him well enough as one that they just extended him for two years), and that's exactly what he's being asked of in this lineup.

This being said, I did expect to see him higher up, given how thin we are in the position. But 3rd line C is more or less the same role his club teams have asked of him so far.
I think I understood what you meant. My point was that I don't see anything of that fire in Puistola and that Pärssinen could be lacking there as well. That fire you very often can see in a player like say: Pesonen.

Yep, funny thing we are stacked at C position at the NHL level but at this level i'ts our biggest weakness , or at least when it comes to top6 kind of talent for a center.

I haven't seen Leppänen play that much. Can you or someone please mention his strengths and weaknesses. He'll be someone I' ll follow closely this tournament.
 
I think I understood what you meant. My point was that I don't see anything of that fire in Puistola and that Pärssinen could be lacking there as well. That fire you very often can see in a player like say: Pesonen.

Yep, funny thing we are stacked at C position at the NHL level but at this level i'ts our biggest weakness , or at least when it comes to top6 kind of talent for a center.

I haven't seen Leppänen play that much. Can you or someone please mention his strengths and weaknesses. He'll be someone I' ll follow closely this tournament.
Leppänen in my eyes reminds bit of 80´s and early 90´s puck moving Dmen. His skating allthough could be sharper is quite beautiful to watch. It is difficult to say about his "hockey IQ". He is creative and can move puck, but that is with the time and space that he has in Liiga and the fact he was allowed to cheat lot on defence. His physical game is also lacking.

Amazingly fun to watch in Liiga, but I have some serious doubts how that all transist to tougher games and especially to the speed and tempo of North American hockey.
 
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Batman on ice. The Vaasa Sport effect. Leppänen that is. A little bit smallish (184 cm/83 kg) and a little bit too "old" for an NHL-career ... but who knows;
bat Edmonton Oilers :D ?!

Only seen him - Atro - on TV that is. But lookin' good what/that I've seen with my only wodden hockey-eye. Skilful, really skilful with that puck on the blue line on powerplay.

Vaasa Sport played that good of a this season in Liiga thanks to him - and a couple of Swedes (!) - only ten (10) in the squad; remember :nod:.

Best player in Liiga voted by the other players; and that easy with 854 points - the next best one got 329 Jori Lehterä, HIFK and third Michal Kovarcik of Kärpät with 260 points.

And yes; Vaasa/Vasa is a Finland Swedish speakin' town in the west coast, Ostrobothnia, of Finland.

... with a supporter club named:

Red Army :thumbu:.

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Atro Leppänen is ofcourse amazing story. But I think some forget that Mikael Ruohomaa had similarities in his career path. Playing in fourth tier during his draft year. Almost 22 when got first Mestis contract. First full season in Liiga at the age of 26.

Jan-Mikael Järvinen made his Liiga breakthrough at the age of 25 and is now 37 when most likely debuting in WHC. Nikolas Matinpalo came totally out of Junior NTs. Team full of nice stories.
 
I don't really like our team or the synergy between lines. I think the concencus is widely regarded as QF being a reach. Finland obviously performs way better when they're the underdog, so anything is possible.

Well, a hoard of Switerland Finland players are hidden/forgotten ... as always:skeptic:.

And what the 'ell, are for an easy example, Mikael Ruohomaa even doin' in this national squad:huh: - when Arttu Ruotsalainen outplayed him as a stand in center in Västra Frölunda - when he is a born winger?!

I'm only asking?!

Robin Salo and his evil dangerous compadre Lassi Thomson (Malmö IF) should've been a back-lock in the Finland block. No question.

Mikael Seppäla of HV 71 been injured almost all year. No where near he should be even near a Finland squad. Neither Rasmus Rissanen of Linköping HC who played a real, real poor season with a ditto his LHC-team.

Stay at home defenders. I understand.

But not those two. Please.

Finland will play in blocks what it seems - the defenders defend and two or maybe even three lines get/give the chanse to attack. Under Pennanen grey eastate blocks.
Jan-Mikael Järvinen will be the debutant hound dog. 37-years young.

Not a compact disaster of a Finland squad - but I haven't chose those chaps to represent Finland if I were the coach, no way.

But that just boring meo_O.

Oh, well we bought tickets to Stockholm and Finland games - not/just like the Vasa Sport Red Army - but we will be there ... as always.

 
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Well, a hoard of Switerland Finland players are hidden/forgotten ... as always:skeptic:.

And what the 'ell, are for an easy example, Mikael Ruohomaa even doin' in this national squad:huh: - when Arttu Ruotsalainen outplayed him as a stand in center in Västra Frölunda - when he is a born winger?!

I'm only asking?!

Robin Salo and his evil dangerous compadre Lassi Thomson (Malmö IF) should've been a back-lock in the Finland block. No question.

Mikael Seppäla of HV 71 been injured almost all year. No where near he should be even near a Finland squad. Neither Rasmus Rissanen of Linköping HC who played a real, real poor season with a ditto his LHC-team.

Stay at home defenders. I understand.

But not those two. Please.

Finland will play in blocks what it seems - the defenders defend and two or maybe even three lines get/give the chanse to attack. Under Pennanen grey eastate blocks.
Jan-Mikael Järvinen will be the debutant hound dog. 37-years young.

Not a compact disaster of a Finland squad - but I haven't chose those chaps to represent Finland if I were the coach, no way.

But that just boring meo_O.

Oh, well we bought tickets to Stockholm and Finland games - not/just like the Vasa Sport Red Army - but we will be there ... as always.



I love your Vaasa hype, but I think the reality is that we'll see Jokerit vs Vaasan Sport as the relegation series, where Jokerit will be promoted to Liiga. Remember that your Batman is leaving the team.

What happened to that Husqvarna guy?
 
I love your Vaasa hype, but I think the reality is that we'll see Jokerit vs Vaasan Sport as the relegation series, where Jokerit will be promoted to Liiga. Remember that your Batman is leaving the team.

What happened to that Husqvarna guy?
What happened to loppa?
 
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Lineup

Teräväinen-Lammikko-Tolvanen
Pesonen-Ruohomaa-Merelä
Puistola-Pärssinen-Hämeenaho
Oksanen-Björninen-Erholtz

Lehtonen-Saarijärvi
Leppänen-Matinpalo
Salo-Seppälä
Rissanen-Sund

Saros
Larmi
Annunen

PP1

Merelä
Teräväinen–Lammikko–Tolvanen
Lehtonen

PP2

Pesonen
Hämeenaho–Erholtz–Ruohomaa
Saarijärvi


No Leppänen on the powerplay :D
Half of the hockeyworld doesn't know the Finland team - and the rest doesn't even care. Just so fine. Kill 'em all Finland. :nod:
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I don't mind Lammikko between Teräväinen and Tolvanen. Obviously it's not ideal but what can you do with the centers they have. The roles are clear: Teräväinen is the playmaker, Tolvanen is the scorer and Lammikko is the two-way center. His job is to cover his wingers so they can do their magic. While Lammikko hasn't been a big point producer on national team, he has been quite good in Swiss league. Also his role in NT has been primarily defensive so no wonder he hasn't been able to stack up points.
 
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Leppanen without PP will probably play 10 minutes a game at best lol
He's a machine on PP so that's kinda strange
Looking forward to see Hameenaho scoring a bunch of goals
 
Leppanen without PP will probably play 10 minutes a game at best lol
He's a machine on PP so that's kinda strange
Looking forward to see Hameenaho scoring a bunch of goals
I'm sure at some point Leppänen will be tried on PP. First game is against Austria. Probably just testing lines but also making sure they don't lose to them like last year. Time for Eeli to light up his brother like an Xmas tree. 👌👌👌
 
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Ikonen and Järvinen's passes not stamped yet. Would love to get Nyman and Lundell or Lundell and Luostarinen lol 😂 🤣 🤣
 
Leppanen without PP will probably play 10 minutes a game at best lol
He's a machine on PP so that's kinda strange
Looking forward to see Hameenaho scoring a bunch of goals
We're about to lose to Austria
 
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So, two spots left. Who would you take? Barky and Lundy or Barky and Mikkola? My guess is that it will be two forwards, because the players unstamped are forwards.
 
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I personally count one of the biggest achievments of Curt Lindström the player meeting on 1993 when he was selected as national coach. He invited every player that he considered to play in NT. The situation at the time was bit of mess. There were many disgruntled players, unofficially retired players or players just counted out from NT at the time. I´m going totally out of memory, but there was a group of over 70 players that came? Only one declined.

There had been already some very good results, but I have always felt that was one of the most important steps to be one of the big countries. We had all of our bests in the NT.

It was over 30 years ago, but something similar would be needed. There are all sort of good reasons to decline the national team, but I feel that we have come to point where it such a big nuisance for the players to join NT. And this is absolutely not Pennanens fault. But he could try to fix it. (I mean Westerlund would be perfect for this kind of job, but it should be the head coach).

This team is fine and almost as good as it can be under the current circumstances. But why not try to fix the circumstances.
 
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So, two spots left. Who would you take? Barky and Lundy or Barky and Mikkola? My guess is that it will be two forwards, because the players unstamped are forwards.
I have a feeling Barky and Mikkola would decline. I could see Lundell and Luostarinen possibly going. Either way, these guys must be exhausted, and Mikkola being the only one that didn't play two stanley cup finals in a row. That being said, I'd be happy enough with Lundell + Luostarinen or Lundell + Nyman. Who knows though, maybe Florida makes a comeback. Impossible to predict. :help:
 
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I personally count one of the biggest achievments of Curt Lindström the player meeting on 1993 when he was selected as national coach. He invited every player that he considered to play in NT. The situation at the time was bit of mess. There were many disgruntled players, unofficially retired players or players just counted out from NT at the time. I´m going totally out of memory, but there was a group of over 70 players that came? Only one declined.

There had been already some very good results, but I have always felt that was one of the most important steps to be one of the big countries. We had all of our bests in the NT.

It was over 30 years ago, but something similar would be needed. There are all sort of good reasons to decline the national team, but I feel that we have come to point where it such a big nuisance for the players to join NT. And this is absolutely not Pennanens fault. But he could try to fix it. (I mean Westerlund would be perfect for this kind of job, but it should be the head coach).

This team is fine and almost as good as it can be under the current circumstances. But why not try to fix the circumstances.
Loved reading this, thanks. But... Do you get the impression Pennanen is the man to take this initiative? That he has that aura or authority presence? I surely haven't got that impression so far. Would be gladly surprised if I was wrong. Let me speculate about this matter and especially the upcoming Olympics. I have a hard time seeing him leading Barkov, Rantanen and such stars. Even harder to see him handle overrated Hintz and later on a Lehkonen who believes he is "Him" when he's a complementary player at best if in a top6 role.
The problem or issue for me is a combination of lacking leadership and some players getting to struck with their success and perhaps believe they are better than other top nations forwards. Hintz, Lehkonen stand out the most followed by Aho. They've never impressed me for Leijonat for what, like a decade? I mean they need to f*cking fight for their spots as well. Because if they think they are Barkov, Lundell or Rantanen they are delusional. Why then? Hintz seems to be carried by Rantanen and Granlund now more than the other way around, he's not a driver for me. He hasn't won a dime after the WJC's. Granlund on the other hand? He always shows up with everything he has no matter what. Lundell, the guy hasn't done anything else than winning during his whole career and always contributed in someway. Truly underrated player because he's not flashy. Lehkonen lost to the Finnish line when playing with Necas and MacKinnon. He produces in the NHL, but has he played with players on his own level or lower? I think not. I mean who says Laine, TT, Kakko and others wouldn't be just as successful playing with MacKinnon and others? Not me at least.
What about Aho then? Has anyone seen Canes as a serious contender for the Stanley while Aho is leading their team? I surely haven't. He is no Barkov and that's that. In a best-on-best I see him as a top9 or bottom6 depending on linemates. With Lehkonen and another one they would be a fourth line for me. With say Laine, Nyman or say Kakko as wingers, I see a top9 role for Aho.
Lehkonen then, in a best-on-best he should be given the similar role Kiviranta has gotten for the Avs. Finland have a lot bigger depth than Avs amongst their forwards imo.

I hope Pennanen has the courage of picking hot and rising players but I haven't got the impression of that so far.
Both Nyman and Hämeenaho should be able to "Steal" Lehkonens and Armias spot. TT, Kakko, and plenty of others should be able to do that as well this upcoming season.
I totally get the the "Roles" argument and so on. But take Armia as an example. In no way do I believe he would be a lot better option than Luostarinen, Kupari and someone else anymore. The Habs are already tired of him and his lack of intensity and so on. And know this, I've been a big fan of Armia for a long time. But there is no room for being sentimental in elite sports if you want to win.

With all this said, if we are going to win a best-on-best olympics this is the time. Therefor I won't be kind towards Pennanen or "Give him time". Hopefully some D's take the step in the right direction this upcoming year. A couple of wingers following the same path wouldn't hurt either.
But we won't get a new prime Barkov, Rantanen or Heiskanen for a long, long time. We won't get a young winning centerman like Lundell who can log minutes in every special team for a long time either. Just like Barkov is HIM, Lundell is a very important second piece.

I would rather see Jalonen get assisted by say Pennanen for the Olympics. Something with Pennanen seems a bit... Off? During 4nations he looked pretty stargazed at times? The fact he didn't split Hintz and Aho. Benched or changed the first line with exchanging Lehkonen faster than he did worried me a bit. Also insisting on Lankinen and not letting UPL get one game when Lankinen didn't impress in a single game.
Imo UPL is the better goalie currently. You just can't get a correct picture when netminding the Sabres.

Last but not least, I hope Laine gets traded. He needs to be healthy and get a lot of PP time. My hopes is he gets a top9 role with very good linemates in Leijonat and that he can be lethal for us in PP. Otherwise, I actually see some serious potential in Nyman replacing him. Nyman is a lot stronger than him and Tolvanen but has that sniper aura written all over him. I saw him for the Kraken and he already showed he belongs there, without a doubt. The kid is hungry to score, you see it his movement and when he shoots his mind and body has 100% presence. He competes in the corners and I do see him and Kakko being able of rising their stocks a whole lot this upcoming season. The qualities they bring with their size are very welcomed as well.
 
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Complete disaster of a performance in the first game at least. Only positive thing is that it shouldn't look a lot worse than this going forward, or could it...? Not sure.

TT only one capable of showing some finesse worth mentioning.
 
Complete disaster of a performance in the first game at least. Only positive thing is that it shouldn't look a lot worse than this going forward, or could it...? Not sure.

TT only one capable of showing some finesse worth mentioning.

At least we won.

If they make it out of the group stage, i'd call that a success.
 
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