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Yeah it wouldn't be 100-0 because obviously, Canada (or any country) has no incentive to make it 100-0. It would be far worse than 9-0 though as it would literally take too much effort NOT to score. I mean it's an international best-on-best tournament, you can't just play keep-away for 50 minutes. It's as much of an embarrassment for the opposition as losing heavily.

jcs0218 said:
China wants to participate. I say let them participate.
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Well that's the thing, it's not exactly clear if they do want to. As they have done next to nothing to create a competitive team.
 
I think people are overestimating how much Canada would dominate, if China does get the players from Kunlun. They obviously won't be amazing, but it's not like Canada usually beats Korea or Italy 20-0
 
iginlafan77 said:
I think people are overestimating how much Canada would dominate, if China does get the players from Kunlun. They obviously won't be amazing, but it's not like Canada usually beats Korea or Italy 20-0
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Chinese mens team lost 14-0 to JAPAN at the Asian Winter Games 4 years ago. Now imagine what it's going to look like against Canada, US, and Germany.
 
cg98 said:
Chinese mens team lost 14-0 to JAPAN at the Asian Winter Games 4 years ago. Now imagine what it's going to look like against Canada, US, and Germany.
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Right, but that team isn't the one that could be here. If they're getting players like Brandon Yip, Spencer Foo, Jason Fram, Victor Bartley, Etc. then they're a lot better than a "purely Chinese" team at a recent world championship.
 
The issue with "only" stopping at 9-0 or so is they'll likely get there midway through period 1. Then what of the remaining 50 minutes of ice time? Some Slovakia-Bulgaria women's game a decade ago I think went to triple digits and they weren't trying. Also doesn't GD factor in going into QFs? What if you beat them a gentlemanly 11-0 and then a less polite team goes up on them 20-0?

It's not preferable but I think if China NT is allowed to participate and the NHL shows up IIHF really has to help them fast track some passports ASAP as an emergency, non-precedent setting one off event. It's one thing to be the Austria of the tournament - you're going to beat them for sure, but you'll have to for sure try, and put a good effort into making it 6-0 or better vs. your opponents making it 5-0. It's another when you have to really put the brakes on and play mindgames on what other countries would do.
 
BOS358 said:
Yes. That's why you can see absolute beat-downs in some of the lower-division IIHF tournaments.
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Actually, this is IIHF tie-braking formula:

Step 1:
Taking into consideration the games between each of the tied teams, a sub-group is created applying the points awarded in the direct games amongst the tied teams from which the teams are then ranked accordingly.

Step 2:
Should the teams still remain tied then the better goal difference in the direct games amongst the tied teams will be decisive.

Step 3:
Should the teams still remain tied then the highest number of goals scored by these teams in their direct games will be decisive

Step 4:
Should three or more teams still remain tied then the results between each of the three teams and the closest best-ranked team outside the sub-group will be applied. In this case the tied team with the best result (1. points, 2. goal difference, 3. more goals scored) against the closest best ranked-team will take precedence

Step 5:
Should the teams still remain tied, then the results between each of the three teams and the next highest best-ranked team outside the sub-group will be applied.

Step 6:
Should the teams still remain tied after these five steps have been exercised then Sport considerations will be applied and the tied teams will be ranked by their positions coming into the Championship.
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Or long story short, beating down the weakest team means absolutely nothing.
 
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Ivano Zanatta is named as head coach in Olympics. He is also the new head coach of Kunlun Red Star.
 
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As I understood correctly, this coming season Kunlun Red Star is Team China olympic team? That means Jake Chelios, Ryan Sproul and Jeremy Smith are going to represent China?? Correct if I´m totally wrong.
 
jcs0218 said:
There is zero chance Canada will beat them 100-0.

They won't run the score up like that against a host country.

I think they will get a 7-0 or 8-0 lead, and then just stop trying to score.

You might see a period-by-period line of 7-1-1 or something like that, meaning 9 goals.
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Would it even matter the embarrassment for the host Chinese will be obvious to all on the world stage.

My guess is that politics/health ect... and NHL players will not be going to the Olympics in 22.

It was also extremely obvious when China was given the games that any team they put forward would be in over their head in historic proportions.
 
Lartsaman said:
As I understood correctly, this coming season Kunlun Red Star is Team China olympic team? That means Jake Chelios, Ryan Sproul and Jeremy Smith are going to represent China?? Correct if I´m totally wrong.
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Smith has played for Team USA at World Juniors, therefore if I'm not mistaken he would have to play four years in China before being eligible.
 
Albatros said:
Smith has played for Team USA at World Juniors, therefore if I'm not mistaken he would have to play four years in China before being eligible.
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I think its you cant play IIHF competition for your birth nation for 4-5 yrs, and have to play 2 consecutive seasons in the nation you’re switching to.
 
cg98 said:
I think its you cant play IIHF competition for your birth nation for 4-5 yrs, and have to play 2 consecutive seasons in the nation you’re switching to.
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IIHF - Eligibility

According to this:

Change of national eligibility (The ‘four-year’ case)
A player, who has previously participated in IIHF competition, can switch national eligibility (but only once in a player's life) if:
  • He/she is a citizen of the new country of his choice
  • A male player has participated for at least four consecutive years (1460 days) in the national competitions of his new country, during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country and has not played for his previous country in an IIHF competition during this four year period. For female players the period is two consecutive years (730 days).
  • He/she has an international transfer card (ITC) that shows the transfer to the national association of the new country and which was approved and dated at least four years (two years for female players) before the start of the IIHF competition in which the player wishes to participate.

Smith will be much short of the 1460 days so my interpretation is that he will not be eligible even if they give him a passport.
 
China's spot in the men's tournament should have been conditional, requiring the national team to have significantly improved. Ideally this team wouldn't have a spot and the best four teams of the qualifiers would advance to the tournament.
 
Pardus said:
Ivano Zanatta is named as head coach in Olympics. He is also the new head coach of Kunlun Red Star.
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Out of all the coaches available, they pick a guy that was only a head coach in a top professional league for 2-2.5 years (2 years in the Swiss top league and half a season in the KHL) and has no coaching experience at international tournaments...

Seems like kind of an odd selection for head coach, no?
 
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I'm not sure that there was a long list of better coaches available considering that they can be expected to lose every game and the job is very unpredictable.
 
Albatros said:
I'm not sure that there was a long list of better coaches available considering that they can be expected to lose every game and the job is very unpredictable.
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for the National team sure... but are the Kunlun Red Star that bad in the KHL or what haha?

Kind surprised they didn't go with a Russian coach, tbh. It doesn't seem like China is trying to replicate the Soviet system that built up their hockey team, but rather the North American/Western European hockey model instead. Think they would have been better to follow the Soviet way, but what do I know haha.
 
Most of the guys are native English speakers, I suppose they could have went with Kovalev but otherwise language would be an issue.
 
garbageteam said:
The issue with "only" stopping at 9-0 or so is they'll likely get there midway through period 1. Then what of the remaining 50 minutes of ice time? Some Slovakia-Bulgaria women's game a decade ago I think went to triple digits and they weren't trying. Also doesn't GD factor in going into QFs? What if you beat them a gentlemanly 11-0 and then a less polite team goes up on them 20-0?
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During qualification for the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, Slovakia defeated Bulgaria 82–0.[3] This win is the most lopsided in the history of the IIHF. The Slovaks outshot Bulgaria 142–0, averaging a goal on 58.9 percent of its shots.

Slovakia women's national ice hockey team - Wikipedia

82-0, with shots being 142-0. That is a beatdown.
 
Lartsaman said:
The Dragons’ Olympic year: Kunlun Red Star season preview

According to this article, at least Jeremy Smith is going to acquire chinese passport soon and is going to represent China at the Olympics. Same can be assumed about Ryan Sproul and Jake Chelios maybe. Netminder-tandem Smith and Lazushin, not good but not really bad either....
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Smith may be acquiring a Chinese passport but unless the IIHF somehow agrees to giving them special treatment, I don't see how does that make him eligible to represent China already as he has previously represented the US in an officially sanctioned tournament and this would be only his third season in Kunlun. Then again, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese Hockey Federation/KRS executives weren't aware of the eligibility rules even this late into the Olympic project.
 
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