WC: Team Canada Roster Thread 2021

[jj cale]

Good god, it's pretty obvious that Canada is weaker on the larger ice. It's not as if people in Canada aren't largely aware of it. Whether Canada has won on larger ice, which obviously has happened many times, has nothing to do with whether Canada is weaker (a relative term and not the same thing as "putrid" or "terrible" or "weak") on the larger ice.

Cripes, yes we know that but to say we need stars to ever win on it as if nobody else needs stars to win on big ice( finlands win without any nhl players is an outlier) or that Canada Always struggles on big ice is crap.

Good god indeed.

 

[jj cale]

Wrong! Yes european Top-Nations can win without Stars. But Canada need Superstars and US win nothing, whatever how good they are on paper. Don t missunderstand me. Without Stars on big Ice European Top-Nations Yes. NA-Teams No.

Name them., and how many times has this happened?


As for the top N.A teams not being able to win on big ice without stars I see some Euro fans have now set a new bar because it used to be around here (and there was threads made about it trust me) that Canada could not win a best on best on big ice and in Europe, that they had to be playing in N.A on small ice to do it. Now it's they can't win on big ice without stars, you guys always have to keep trying.

 

[Gold Standard]

Cripes, yes we know that but to say we need stars to ever win on it as if nobody else needs stars to win on big ice( finlands win without any nhl players is an outlier) or that Canada Always struggles on big ice is crap.

Good god indeed.

you really need to stop taking issue with the couch-potato puck-heads opining on this site re: big v small ice. It's a lazy argument that goes about as about as deep as a puddle of spit on scorcher of a summer's day. A collection of young, inexperienced players with zero prep time loses that game 9 times out of 10 on any size ice. The big ice excuse is nonsense pretending to be some meaningful insight into the game.

As for the Canada needing it's stars to win....I only point to Russia's annual countdown and private jet fueled and ready for takeoff to rush any of their so called "stars" to the tournament once they are bounced from the playoffs.

 

[jj cale]

you really need to stop taking issue with the couch-potato puck-heads opining on this site re: big v small ice. It's a lazy argument that goes about as about as deep as a puddle of spit on scorcher of a summer's day. A collection of young, inexperienced players with zero prep time loses that game 9 times out of 10 on any size ice. The big ice excuse is nonsense pretending to be some meaningful insight into the game.

As for the Canada needing it's stars to win....I only point to Russia's annual countdown and private jet fueled and ready for takeoff to rush any of their so called "stars" to the tournament once they are bounced from the playoffs.

I don't think I should stop doing it when they come to our threads spewing nonsense for their own kicks, why are we supposed to take their nonsense lying down, they sure don't in their threads standard.

But we have to sit and take it like good boys for some reason in our own team thread. I would have no problem with someone coming in good faith and giving a critique on our performance while being respectful about it, but this isn't.

 

[Gold Standard]

I don't think I should stop doing it when they come to our threads spewing nonsense for their own kicks, why are we supposed to take their nonsense lying down, they sure don't in their threads standard.

But we have to sit and take it like good boys for some reason in our own team thread. I would have no problem with someone coming in good faith and giving a critique on our performance in good faith while being respectful about it, but this isn't.

that's because we are the Gold Standard. With it comes great responsibility.

 

[jj cale]

that's because we are the Gold Standard. With it comes great responsibility.

alas, I can't meet that standard with these clowns nor bear that responsibility.

 

[jj cale]

I see Sweden had some problems without it's stars today, well you know how it goes, the big ice can be quite an issue for those guys unless they manage to get the big boys on the team.

 

[JackSlater]

Cripes, yes we know that but to say we need stars to ever win on it as if nobody else needs stars to win on big ice( finlands win without any nhl players is an outlier) or that Canada Always struggles on big ice is crap.

Good god indeed.

That's a different point. Canada being weaker on larger ice is as obvious as Sweden not playing a physical game or Russia having poor defencemen. It's an obvious thing that everyone is aware of, though the degree can be debated. That some teams have won this tournament with putrid rosters is more a reflection of the tournament than anything else. Fluke results happen. Canada has also won this tournament many times with rosters that lacked anything close to a star, though those results from the 60s and earlier again just speak to the quality of the tournament. Canada is probably around as likely as any other country to win this tournament without stars, which is to say unlikely. I don't know why anyone would get worked up about this.

 

[jj cale]

That's a different point. Canada being weaker on larger ice is as obvious as Sweden not playing a physical game or Russia having poor defencemen. It's an obvious thing that everyone is aware of, though the degree can be debated. That some teams have won this tournament with putrid rosters is more a reflection of the tournament than anything else. Fluke results happen. Canada has also won this tournament many times with rosters that lacked anything close to a star, though those results from the 60s and earlier again just speak to the quality of the tournament. Canada is probably around as likely as any other country to win this tournament without stars, which is to say unlikely. I don't know why anyone would get worked up about this.

Yes, it is a different point, and it's the point I was taking up with, the "always" and "has to have it's stars" comments not the point that we struggle more on big ice all things being equal. But everybody needs good players to win, not just Canada and european teams can struggle with inferior opponents on big ice too, or any other ice for that matter. It didn't take long for their blanket statement arrogant nonsense "facts" to get destroyed today with that Sweden-Denmark game.

All it took was one sleep, that was easy.

That's why some people may get "upset" because the point they were making really wasn't the point you are talking about here even though they tried to disguise it as such.

Honestly, I don't see why anyone couldn't see that.

 

[TheBigFour]

Wrong! Yes european Top-Nations can win without Stars. But Canada need Superstars and US win nothing, whatever how good they are on paper. Don t missunderstand me. Without Stars on big Ice European Top-Nations Yes. NA-Teams No.

Are you sure?
when is the last time Russia won this tournament with a full team of KHLers?
Their last championship came in 2014 and even that team had Ovi and Malkin.
Sweden victories in back to back years also had hedman,nylander, pettersson, landeskog lundqvist etc.

only 2019 Finland team was rare case of this happening.
Every team need stars to win!

 

[SoundAndFury]

That's why some people may get "upset" because the point they were making really wasn't the point you are talking about here even though they tried to disguise it as such.

Honestly, I don't see why anyone couldn't see that.

Actually, what seems to have happened is you took posts from 3 (or more) different people and somehow tried to smush it together like all of them were saying the same thing. When they weren't. I wasn't even aware of this "NA vs Europe, stars no stars" angle.

You were so aggravated by the point Lambo made you couldn't get past it seeing this conspiratory disguise when there really wasn't one.

 

[jj cale]

Actually, what seems to have happened is you took posts from 3 (or more) different people and somehow tried to smush it together like all of them were saying the same thing. When they weren't. I wasn't even aware of this "NA vs Europe, stars no stars" angle.

You see what you want to see I guess, though after todays game I wouldn't put too much stock in what you see or how you interpret things if i was a Canadian fan here, or any other fan for that matter.

Have a great day.

 

[Phil McKraken]

How is this the best roster we could put out this year? lol I suppose it was to be expected. No big names want to go overseas right now. View attachment 437134

Wow, that's a pathetic roster for being Canada. You'd expect this years rosters to be better than usual due to the decreased amount of games this season.

 

[JackSlater]

Yes, it is a different point, and it's the point I was taking up with, the "always" and "has to have it's stars" comments not the point that we struggle more on big ice all things being equal. But everybody needs good players to win, not just Canada and european teams can struggle with inferior opponents on big ice too, or any other ice for that matter. It didn't take long for their blanket statement arrogant nonsense "facts" to get destroyed today with that Sweden-Denmark game.

All it took was one sleep, that was easy.

That's why some people may get "upset" because the point they were making really wasn't the point you are talking about here even though they tried to disguise it as such.

Honestly, I don't see why anyone couldn't see that.

No, it's a different point that you switched to. My post that you initially quoted was in reference to people who seemingly couldn't grasp the very simple concept that some other poster made - Canada is weaker on the larger ice surface. Wailing about that statement was ridiculous. This other point is highly irrelevant but if you're keen on tilting at windmills, because you believe that you see some kind of nefarious intent that must be corrected beyond what's actually in front of you, then by all means go ahead ranting and raving about nothing.

 

[jj cale]

No, it's a different point that you switched to. My post that you initially quoted was in reference to people who seemingly couldn't grasp the very simple concept that some other poster made - Canada is weaker on the larger ice surface. Wailing about that statement was ridiculous. This other point is highly irrelevant but if you're keen on tilting at windmills, because you believe that you see some kind of nefarious intent that must be corrected beyond what's actually in front of you, then by all means go ahead ranting and raving about nothing.

If my ranting and raving bothers you so much why not just ignore everything I said. You're just pissed because you know you were wrong and it's here for all to see, not the first time and not the last, you are pretty arrogant that way so now you're trying to save face. You've done that before and even pm'ed with an apology for it but I get you now........the great Jack Slater, he is never wrong.

Don't bother with me anymore, I never comment on your stuff anymore, I leave you alone because I learned it's best to do so.

But going holier then thou on here is sickening to me. You're no big shot to me.

 

[JackSlater]

If my ranting and raving bothers you so much why not just ignore everything I said. You're just pissed because you know you were wrong and it's here for all to see, not the first time and not the last, you are pretty arrogant that way so now you're trying to save face. You've done that before and even pm'ed with an apology for it but I get you now........the great Jack Slater, he is never wrong.

Don't bother with me anymore, I never comment on your stuff anymore, I leave you alone because I learned it's best to do so.

But going holier then thou on here is sickening to me. You're no big shot to me.

There's nothing to be wrong about if someone understands what the word "weaker" actually means and can read what posters are saying rather than... ranting and raving about things that weren't actually said. I honestly don't think that you even know what you're ranting about at the moment. My message that you're referencing was also due to me needlessly mocking you when it was unrelated to a point I was making, not about being wrong about something, but I guess accuracy isn't important at the moment. I'll also note that you quoted me to start off these tangential rants and raves, but perhaps you quoting me while also never commenting on my "stuff" also falls under the things that you can see while others can't. Perhaps I quoted you but only you can see it

Again though, continue with these nearly unhinged posts about nothing if you want and if I see fit I'll reply. Canada is going to lose games from time to time and people are going to comment on it. Going off the handle isn't exactly going to change that.

 

[jj cale]

There's nothing to be wrong about if someone understands what the word "weaker" actually means and can read what posters are saying rather than... ranting and raving about things that weren't actually said. I honestly don't think that you even know what you're ranting about at the moment. My message that you're referencing was also due to me needlessly mocking you when it was unrelated to a point I was making, not about being wrong about something, but I guess accuracy isn't important at the moment. I'll also note that you quoted me to start off these tangential rants and raves, but perhaps you quoting me while also never commenting on my "stuff" also falls under the things that you can see while others can't. Perhaps I quoted you but only you can see it

Again though, continue with these nearly unhinged posts about nothing if you want and if I see fit I'll reply. Canada is going to lose games from time to time and people are going to comment on it. Going off the handle isn't exactly going to change that.

Can't take egg on your face eh slater?

His royal highness has so decreed and goes off ranting and raving with insults and his "truth" when he is cornered, typical stuff. You're an arrogant guy and it's been plain to see for me for some time now.

Like I said, you aren't infallible and that has been obvious to see the last day, buzz off and put me on ignore oh great one.

Going off the handle and being smug as is your usual m.o isn't going to help your cause or change my mind concerning you and your always implied infallibility.

 

[JackSlater]

Can't take egg on your face eh slater?

His royal highness has so decreed and goes off ranting and raving with insults and his "truth" when he is cornered, typical stuff. You're an arrogant guy and it's been plain to see for me for some time now.

Like I said, you aren't infallible and that has been obvious to see the last day, buzz off and put me on ignore oh great one.

Going off the handle and being smug as is your usual m.o isn't going to help your cause or change my mind concerning you and your always implied infallibility.

I have no idea what egg is on my face, despite my infallibility. I honestly don't know if you're even reading posts at this point because your replies don't match the posts that you quote, from me or others, as they look like mostly unrelated rants and raves. I'm unlikely to reply in this vein again as discussing my infallibility, while clearly accurate and probably interesting to the masses, isn't the purpose of the thread. If discussion veers in to the actual hockey team again then I probably will. Chalk that one up as a win against the foes that you so bravely stand up to I guess.

 

[jj cale]

I have no idea what egg is on my face, despite my infallibility. I honestly don't know if you're even reading posts at this point because your replies don't match the posts that you quote, from me or others, as they look like mostly unrelated rants and raves. I'm unlikely to reply in this vein again as discussing my infallibility, while clearly accurate and probably interesting to the masses, isn't the purpose of the thread. If discussion veers in to the actual hockey team again then I probably will. Chalk that one up as a win against the foes that you so bravely stand up to I guess.

At least I can say you were right once today.


God, even through a computer a guy can smell your ego.

 

[jj cale]

Tough times these days for superior teams against inferior opponents on the big ice, some power Euro teams really struggling to play good hockey on the big sheet, can they still fly in the big guns from the ousted NHL teams to improve their chances against the likes of Kazakhstan and Belarus ?

 

[garbageteam]

From being bored this weekend I read through a few of the nations' threads and some say their coaches have stated that they are waiting for first round exits to add a player or two, so I feel like there still may be a reinforcement here and there for Canada...maybe...

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Crazy to get a injuries like that in a game that means nothing

I told about that like weeks ago.

 

[JackSlater]

From being bored this weekend I read through a few of the nations' threads and some say their coaches have stated that they are waiting for first round exits to add a player or two, so I feel like there still may be a reinforcement here and there for Canada...maybe...

You never know, it wouldn't be surprising if they reached out to someone like O'Reilly assuming that he's available quite soon. Shows up for Canada all the time, might feel he has something to prove for Olympic purposes. Then again the reinforcements for Canada at this tournament are often something like Jost or Turris at forward. Guys like Ellis and Parayko have been very good additions in the past.

 

[TheBigFour]

There is no relegation this year right?...

 

[Peiskos]

Wow, that's a pathetic roster for being Canada. You'd expect this years rosters to be better than usual due to the decreased amount of games this season.

Not really, its still a global pandemic. Incentive to get on a plane for 8 hours to play in this tournament was pretty low this year.