JackSlater
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I doubt that he has a chance. If he didn't make the long list three weeks ago he cannot be selected. You never know, but I doubt that Hockey Canada opted for him that early.
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I doubt that he has a chance. If he didn't make the long list three weeks ago he cannot be selected. You never know, but I doubt that Hockey Canada opted for him that early.
Mathieukferland
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He’s a top 10 Canadian defender at the moment if he didn’t make it I would be shocked; but seeing as the list was made on October 15th maybe you’re right
Byram is not making team Canada in 2022. Not because he isn’t talented, but it isn’t how team Canada operates. They are not picking a damn rookie d man over guys like Theodore, peleech, chabot, Hamilton or ekblad. It’s just not happening.
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Marner is making the team. That's almost a guarantee if he doesn't get injured. John Cooper absolutely loves him.
Jon Cooper: Mitch Marner is one of smartest players NHL's ever seen - Sportsnet.ca
JackSlater
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Cooper isn't in charge of selecting the team, and presumably what sway he has will go to Stamkos and Point. I think that Marner probably makes the team but he's no lock. Players who are primarily playmakers often really struggle to make team Canada, particularly on the wing.
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Meh, obviously he's not in charge, but he'll probably have a say in who makes the team, especially with ones he's very high on. As for primarily playmakers, you can see from the clip Cooper knows what Marner can do defensively and on the PK (also played for him in the world championships).
The only issue would be Marner's choking in important games that would go against him. But not sure if Cooper would hold that against him.
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Pelech is a stud, definitely one of the most (if not THE most) underrated defenseman if the league. He shuts down players big time. Barzal, what you see is what you get.. Very skilled, great dangling skills but underrated shot he should use more often. Although being pass-first on team Canada will work out much better
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Unless you've got something from Armstrong your argument isn't going to be very convincing. Cooper is not picking the team. At best he's a voice in the room whose opinions are considered. Marner might well make the team but he'll need more than Cooper advocating for him. I would also imagine that Armtrong and the GMs are not so Toronto-centric that they will be as hyperfocused on Marner's performances in big Toronto games, as often seems to be the case in this thread.
He might make the team but it won't be a shock if he doesn't. If Marner doesn't make the team I imagine it's much more down to fit, along the same lines as St. Louis in 2010 and initially 2014, than it is anything else.
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I think Binnington is the right choice behind Price, it wouldn’t shake him to come in and relieve Price if need be
Not saying he’s the most talented option, but he’s mentally strong in net (maybe a bit less so once he goes wandering out of that net)
I’d say he will want at least 1 other blue on the team, of Binnington, Perron and Kyrou as I can’t see ROR being off
Not saying he’s the most talented option, but he’s mentally strong in net (maybe a bit less so once he goes wandering out of that net)
I’d say he will want at least 1 other blue on the team, of Binnington, Perron and Kyrou as I can’t see ROR being off
TheBeastCoast
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I think Binnington is definitely one of the 3 goalies. Don't think Kyrou or Perron deserve a spot. I would be surprised if Kyrou made the 50 man shortlist.
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Not much, other than a few words of encouragement to opposing teams along the lines of "yeah, good luck stopping that."
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Oh you think you got a great defense? Welll here is McDavid and Mackinnon have fun. That shit is nightmare fuel right there.
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While Pelech is not a lock I’d like to think he had a strong chance of making the squad.
Prior teams have included Hamhuis or Vlasic, so presumably they want a strong defensive specialist on the roster if not the starting 6.
I feel like hockey Canada likes to bring some power forward types; wingers with size who can skate well, hold on to the puck for long periods, win battles and play well defensively.
in 2014 there was Carter, Nash and Benn who played that role. Who is there this year?
I think Stone could fall in that category but he’s the only one really on most of these posted lineups.
Maybe Scheifele can play that role? Though I’ve never thought of him as a puck possession player, or as a good defensive player either
Dubois? Prior to last season I would’ve said yes, maybe a good start this year could bring him back to the conversation
I doubt they go the Tom Wilson or Marcus Foligno route
Can’t think of anyone else who plays that type of game now, but I felt those 3 played a huge role in 2014
Maybe they can bring Brent Burns as a winger
in 2014 there was Carter, Nash and Benn who played that role. Who is there this year?
I think Stone could fall in that category but he’s the only one really on most of these posted lineups.
Maybe Scheifele can play that role? Though I’ve never thought of him as a puck possession player, or as a good defensive player either
Dubois? Prior to last season I would’ve said yes, maybe a good start this year could bring him back to the conversation
I doubt they go the Tom Wilson or Marcus Foligno route
Can’t think of anyone else who plays that type of game now, but I felt those 3 played a huge role in 2014
Maybe they can bring Brent Burns as a winger
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Did anybody catch the Oilers game last night? Nurse cannot be on this team. Its like everytime he has the puck theres a 2/3 chance hes gonna give it away or make a bad play.
Yeah he had a nice assist on the OT winner but hes such a liability out there.
Yeah he had a nice assist on the OT winner but hes such a liability out there.
Mathieukferland
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Yeah his gap control is bad as was seen in the Zibanejad goal and he’s not exactly safe with the puck, he would be nowhere near my team, but I know NHL GMs fetishize over size and place that above all else; doesn’t help that Holland is his GM and in the room
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I feel like hockey Canada likes to bring some power forward types; wingers with size who can skate well, hold on to the puck for long periods, win battles and play well defensively.
in 2014 there was Carter, Nash and Benn who played that role. Who is there this year?
I think Stone could fall in that category but he’s the only one really on most of these posted lineups.
Maybe Scheifele can play that role? Though I’ve never thought of him as a puck possession player, or as a good defensive player either
Dubois? Prior to last season I would’ve said yes, maybe a good start this year could bring him back to the conversation
I doubt they go the Tom Wilson or Marcus Foligno route
Can’t think of anyone else who plays that type of game now, but I felt those 3 played a huge role in 2014
Maybe they can bring Brent Burns as a winger
That is a missing piece. I think that Stone and O'Reilly fill that role for the team, though in a different way. More of a hockey iq approach than being fast and big while defensively responsible. Sprinkle them throughout the lineup and maybe one other Swiss army knife style utility player and that should probably work. It would be nice to have another Carter/Marleau/Nash to select this time around.
Agreed, the flavour is different, but the taste is the same. The puck doesn't care if it is owned by a 220-guy or a 190-guy. Loved the role Nash, Benn, Carter, and in 2010 Morrow, Iggy, Mike Richards, and Staal, and in both '14 and '10 that Toews, Getz and Corey Perry played, but puck possession will be the defining strength of this 2022 team with Crosby, McDavid, Point, MacKinnon, Marner, Barzal, Marchand, Stone, ROR, all being phenomenal puck possessors, and with the exception of Marner and Barzal, also darned good at going and getting it back, on the rare occasions, that it is not on their sticks....
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I feel like hockey Canada likes to bring some power forward types; wingers with size who can skate well, hold on to the puck for long periods, win battles and play well defensively.
in 2014 there was Carter, Nash and Benn who played that role. Who is there this year?
I think Stone could fall in that category but he’s the only one really on most of these posted lineups.
Maybe Scheifele can play that role? Though I’ve never thought of him as a puck possession player, or as a good defensive player either
Dubois? Prior to last season I would’ve said yes, maybe a good start this year could bring him back to the conversation
I doubt they go the Tom Wilson or Marcus Foligno route
Can’t think of anyone else who plays that type of game now, but I felt those 3 played a huge role in 2014
Maybe they can bring Brent Burns as a winger
Scheifele's game is entirely built around puck possession imo. He plays a pretty heavy forechecking + cycling game with Wheeler and previously Kyle Connor. When he's got the puck on his stick he's one of the best in the league at using his body to protect and shield it. Defensively, he's been cheating for the last few years for offense and hasn't looked as interested in that aspect of the game, but if you've seen him with Stone/RoR previously, he fits right in and gives that line a bit more of an offensive punch. I don't think it's that he's not capable, it seems to be an issue of not being willing (for the last few years). Given the minutes Maurice dumps on him and Wheeler and the fact that Bryan Little hasn't been healthy in like 5+ years, it's understandable that he might feel a bit of a weight on his shoulders in those prior years to produce offensively. With PLD picking up the slack this season I think I saw Scheifele back check for the first time in years last night. He's still not quite there, having only played 4 games so far this season, but I think he's a bit of a chameleon and fits in anywhere you need him in a lineup. If he's not at least taken as a back up, I'd be quite surprised. On the other hand, a part of me wants to see him get snubbed so he plays with that chip on his shoulder all season haha
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Just gonna drop in some stats I put together from the earlier multiple threads.
Score adjusted 5v5 xGF%/60 the last two years for the more popular team Canada forward candidates:
1. Bergeron: 59.73
2. MacKinnon: 59.72
3. Stone: 58.78
4: Marchand: 58.53
5. Point: 57.37
6. Marner: 56.72
7. Couturier: 54.72
8. Tavares: 54.41
9. Stamkos: 54.20
10. Barzal: 53.83
11. McDavid: 52.23
12. Crosby: 51.29
13. Huberdeau: 50.30
14. O'Reilly: 50.10
15. Scheifele: 44.67
Looking at 5v5 xGF%/60 REL to try and squeeze out team bias:
1. Bergeron: +7.80
2. Marchand: +7.10
3. MacKinnon: +6.24
4: Stone: +5.74
5. Barzal: +5.53
6. Couturier: +5.46
7. McDavid: +4.46
8. Marner: +4.37
9. Point: +4.23
10. O'Reilly: +1.94
11. Crosby: +1.91
12. Tavares: +0.39
13. Scheifele: +0.12
14. Huberdeau: -.90
15. Stamkos: -1.97
Score adjusted playoff 5v5 xGF%/60 the last two years for the more popular team Canada forward candidates:
1. Marner: 66.29
2. McDavid: 64.12
3. O'Reilly: 61.74
4: Bergeron: 59.48
5. Tavares: 59.40
6. Point: 58.44
7. Crosby: 57.79
8. Marchand: 57.19
9. MacKinnon: 57.13
10. Stamkos: 56.77
11. Stone: 56.62
12. Barzal: 54.78
13. Couturier: 53.10
14. Huberdeau: 52.59
15. Scheifele 45.05
Looking at 5v5 xGF%/60 REL to try and squeeze out team bias:
1. O'Reilly: +23.20
2. Marner: +14.57
3. Couturier: +11.82
4: Bergeron: +8.80
5. Barzal: +8.38
6. Tavares: +7.83
7. McDavid: +6.87
8. Point: +6.40
9. Scheifele: +6.12
10. Marchand: +5.98
11. Crosby: +5.93
12. Stamkos: +5.18
13. Huberdeau: +4.96
14. MacKinnon: +4.53
15. Stone: -1.67
Score adjusted 5v5 xGF%/60 the last two years for the more popular team Canada forward candidates:
1. Bergeron: 59.73
2. MacKinnon: 59.72
3. Stone: 58.78
4: Marchand: 58.53
5. Point: 57.37
6. Marner: 56.72
7. Couturier: 54.72
8. Tavares: 54.41
9. Stamkos: 54.20
10. Barzal: 53.83
11. McDavid: 52.23
12. Crosby: 51.29
13. Huberdeau: 50.30
14. O'Reilly: 50.10
15. Scheifele: 44.67
Looking at 5v5 xGF%/60 REL to try and squeeze out team bias:
1. Bergeron: +7.80
2. Marchand: +7.10
3. MacKinnon: +6.24
4: Stone: +5.74
5. Barzal: +5.53
6. Couturier: +5.46
7. McDavid: +4.46
8. Marner: +4.37
9. Point: +4.23
10. O'Reilly: +1.94
11. Crosby: +1.91
12. Tavares: +0.39
13. Scheifele: +0.12
14. Huberdeau: -.90
15. Stamkos: -1.97
Score adjusted playoff 5v5 xGF%/60 the last two years for the more popular team Canada forward candidates:
1. Marner: 66.29
2. McDavid: 64.12
3. O'Reilly: 61.74
4: Bergeron: 59.48
5. Tavares: 59.40
6. Point: 58.44
7. Crosby: 57.79
8. Marchand: 57.19
9. MacKinnon: 57.13
10. Stamkos: 56.77
11. Stone: 56.62
12. Barzal: 54.78
13. Couturier: 53.10
14. Huberdeau: 52.59
15. Scheifele 45.05
Looking at 5v5 xGF%/60 REL to try and squeeze out team bias:
1. O'Reilly: +23.20
2. Marner: +14.57
3. Couturier: +11.82
4: Bergeron: +8.80
5. Barzal: +8.38
6. Tavares: +7.83
7. McDavid: +6.87
8. Point: +6.40
9. Scheifele: +6.12
10. Marchand: +5.98
11. Crosby: +5.93
12. Stamkos: +5.18
13. Huberdeau: +4.96
14. MacKinnon: +4.53
15. Stone: -1.67
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