Team Board Mock Draft

[FIRE DRURY]

You don't need to but teams have never shown the ability to not get caught up in it.

That’s on the GM. Gorton was doing it properly by building a foundation of high end prospects, unlike Sather.

If Slats tried to build a team instead of continuously mortgaging pick after pick or blowing the teams cap space on free agents, we could be having a completely different conversation right now.

I think we can all agree we don’t want to see a team build around a goalie, and for obvious reasons. Drafting Wallstedt isn’t building around a goalie though.

I like Raty, despite the shitty year he had. I wouldn’t take him over Wallstedt though.

 

[Machinehead]

That’s on the GM. Gorton was doing it properly by building a foundation of high end prospects, unlike Sather.

If Slats tried to build a team instead of continuously mortgaging pick after pick or blowing the teams cap space on free agents, we could be having a completely different conversation right now.

I think we can all agree we don’t want to see a team build around a goalie, and for obvious reasons. Drafting Wallstedt isn’t building around a goalie though.

I like Raty, despite the shitty year he had. I wouldn’t take him over Wallstedt though.

I mean, I don't think you draft a goalie 15OA to just be another guy and not a franchise cornerstone, but that's just me, and every draft is different.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I mean, I don't think you draft a goalie 15OA to just be another guy and not a franchise cornerstone, but that's just me, and every draft is different.

You do draft him to be a cornerstone piece. You just don’t build around him like Sather did with Lundqvist.

That already isn’t the case with the current make up of our roster. There were no Lafreniere’s, Kakko’s, Chytil’s, Kravtsov’s, Fox’s and so on during Sathers tenure.

 

[Machinehead]

You do draft him to be a cornerstone piece. You just don’t build around him like Sather did with Lundqvist.

That already isn’t the case with the current make up of our roster. There were no Lafreniere’s, Kakko’s, Chytil’s, Kravtsov’s, Fox’s and so on during Sathers tenure.

So are you prepared to tell him to f*** off when he commands 10 x 8?

That's a hypothetical and a long way away, but not building around a goalie means giving them a strict shelf-life/dollar limit.

 

[Machinehead]

Also, it's easy to say now. You guys haven't seen the 2 or 3 complete randos that become stars from this draft yet!

Not that I get caught up in that but people do. To me, a good pick on draft day is a good pick. You can't *make* players develop.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

So are you prepared to tell him to f*** off when he commands 10 x 8?

That's a hypothetical and a long way away, but not building around a goalie means giving them a strict shelf-life/dollar limit.

As much as it pains me - yes. You walk away. Or trade him. You give your star forwards or dmen that money. Not goalies.

Belichick drafted a QB every draft despite having Brady. I don’t have a problem if Drury does the same with mid to late picks in the draft or every other draft.

 

[Machinehead]

As much as it pains me - yes. You walk away. Or trade him. You give your star forwards or dmen that money. Not goalies.

Belichick drafted a QB every draft despite having Brady. I don’t have a problem if Drury does the same with mid to late picks in the draft or every other draft.

I can f*** with that.

Look at HF negotiating today!

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Also, it's easy to say now. You guys haven't seen the 2 or 3 complete randos that become stars from this draft yet!

Not that I get caught up in that but people do. To me, a good pick on draft day is a good pick. You can't *make* players develop.

I think you’ll be surprised by the impact a coach can have with a players development. I’m not talking about star players that would have been great regardless. Or shitty players that have zero hopes of becoming regular players.

Countless athletes in various sports have gone out of their way to give their coaches credit for helping them develop. I don’t think they’re all lying lol.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I can f*** with that.

Look at HF negotiating today!

Honestly, if it gets to the point, many years from now where Wallstedt demands that contracts, it probably is a good problem to have.

 

[SA16]

The thing is even in a “bad draft” some of the players drafted between 15-30 will develop into first or second liners. They may be seen as “third line ceiling” now but that’s not how it works. A few will develop more than expected and then be considered a steal down the line. You won’t know who it is but if you don’t draft one of them you now have zero chance to get that guy. If you draft a goalie and he becomes elite that’s probably not even good due to the contract situation after a few years and if he becomes good then you could have just found a bargain bin FA who is also good (khudobin greiss lehner etc for some recent examples.). Or you can just draft a bunch of goalies in round 5+ and you may find one since goalie scouting/development is way more variable than for skaters.

 

[Machinehead]

I think you’ll be surprised by the impact a coach can have with a players development. I’m not talking about star players that would have been great regardless. Or shitty players that have zero hopes of becoming regular players.

Countless athletes in various sports have gone out of their way to give their coaches credit for helping them develop. I don’t think they’re all lying lol.

Oh, I agree. You can definitely influence development in a huge way.

But what I'm saying is, you're going to have players that weren't bad picks where they were taken that just don't work out.

For example, without hindsight, can you honestly say Bobby Sanguinetti was a bad pick? Most mocks had him higher than where we got him and Giroux was considered a huge gamble at 22. Do we really think the Flyers saw something nobody else saw or did Giroux just explode post-draft? Did the Rangers do anything wrong or did Sanguinetti just peak pre-draft because that's the player he was? I think it's the latter in both cases.

A bad pick is when everyone in world asks what the f*** you're doing and you do it anyway because you think you see something nobody else sees. Like the Bruins that time they picked three randos ahead of Barzal and everyone was screaming at them as they were doing it.

I don't care about Stutzle for the same reason. 31 teams take Lafreniere. End of discussion.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Our top C prospects at the moment are Karl Henriksson and Vierling; Barron can count, but he’s spent the majority of his time as a LW.

Regardless of how good Wallstedt is, I’m not sure how this is even a question going into this draft. A kid like Svechkov would be a perfect fit in our system to step in once his KHL deal ends as a cheap, cost-controlled C.

 

[SRHRangers]

I take Wally in this situation and immediately start taking calls.

The draft is all about need, and value.

And the value just is overwhelming with taking Wally in this particular draft. (He's also not making it to 15 anyway)

 

[Savant]

If (alphabetically) Johnson, Lucius, McTavish or Sillinger fell, you could sell me on taking on of those guys over Wallstedt.

With the way this board fell? Absolutely not. No one else on the board is close to Wallstedt here. This is a very easy pick. So easy that I’m glad it won’t happen in reality so I don’t need to read these takes again.

 

[UnSandvich]

FWIW, i think if the board falls like this, you have to take Wallstedt.

BUT, I don't see that happening. I think either there's a trade-up or he goes somewhere in the 3-4 picks before NYR's. At that point, I'm all-in on the Svechkov train, b/c I think he's a perfect fit long-term for this team. Raty & to an extent Chibrikov/Pinelli are intriguing in a boom-bust sense as well.

 

[Bluenote13]

NYR, NYI, PHI, WAS, PIT, NJD: 16 Conference finals in the last 20 years.

Out of those goalies only Henrik & Holtby in their prime were picked outside the first 2 rounds. Happy hunting trying to find one of them in free agency at a low cost.

 

[bobbop]

Oh, I agree. You can definitely influence development in a huge way.

But what I'm saying is, you're going to have players that weren't bad picks where they were taken that just don't work out.

For example, without hindsight, can you honestly say Bobby Sanguinetti was a bad pick? Most mocks had him higher than where we got him and Giroux was considered a huge gamble at 22. Do we really think the Flyers saw something nobody else saw or did Giroux just explode post-draft? Did the Rangers do anything wrong or did Sanguinetti just peak pre-draft because that's the player he was? I think it's the latter in both cases.

A bad pick is when everyone in world asks what the f*** you're doing and you do it anyway because you think you see something nobody else sees. Like the Bruins that time they picked three randos ahead of Barzal and everyone was screaming at them as they were doing it.

I don't care about Stutzle for the same reason. 31 teams take Lafreniere. End of discussion.

Don’t you get sick of arguing with everyone?

 

[SA16]

NYR, NYI, PHI, WAS, PIT, NJD: 16 Conference finals in the last 20 years.

Out of those goalies only Henrik & Holtby in their prime were picked outside the first 2 rounds. Happy hunting trying to find one of them in free agency at a low cost.

And where did the islanders get Varlamov from exactly? And the flyers goalie in their scf year was michael leighton (and Boucher whk bounced around before going back to Philly). And schneider was acquired in a trade.

The only one drafted in the first round by the team and stayed there was fleury as far as I can tell.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Don’t you get sick of arguing with everyone?

Have you been paying attention for the past 10 years? That's literally @Machinehead 's thing lol

 

[bobbop]

Have you been paying attention for the past 10 years? That's literally @Machinehead 's thing lol

Yup.

 

[Machinehead]

Don’t you get sick of arguing with everyone?

I was agreeing with him so that was a weird comment.

 

[Bluenote13]

And where did the islanders get Varlamov from exactly? And the flyers goalie in their scf year was michael leighton (and Boucher whk bounced around before going back to Philly). And schneider was acquired in a trade.

The only one drafted in the first round by the team and stayed there was fleury as far as I can tell.

Brodeur was the Devils goalie.

 

[SA16]

Brodeur was the Devils goalie.

shows what happens when I post late at night on my phone. Regardless at that point that was a end of career Brodeur who was a below average nhl goalie

 

[Bluenote13]

shows what happens when I post late at night on my phone. Regardless at that point that was a end of career Brodeur who was a below average nhl goalie

You're sure making alot of excuses , that's for sure.

 

[SA16]

You're sure making alot of excuses , that's for sure.

You’re telling me a goalie with a .907 save percentage was a key reason they got to the final? He was a liability. You can get that in FA for near min price.