Proposal: Tbl-wpg

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'm pretty sure Yzerman passes on that pretty easily

Yep neither Yzerman or Cheveldayoff do it.

 

[broc]

No need for Tyler Johnson- who will get huge raise next year.

Especially if we're trading Trouba- on a steal of a deal caphit.

We are not hurting for guys like Johnson, so why would we want him to be a main piece?
A: we wouldn't.

Also, trading for 2 guys who need to be protected, we might as well just GIVE one of them away at the expansion draft.
Really really bad thought out offer.

 

[HoseEmDown]

No need for Tyler Johnson- who will get huge raise next year.

Especially if we're trading Trouba- on a steal of a deal caphit.

We are not hurting for guys like Johnson, so why would we want him to be a main piece?
A: we wouldn't.

Also, trading for 2 guys who need to be protected, we might as well just GIVE one of them away at the expansion draft.
Really really bad thought out offer.

We'll we'd be trading for 3 players who need protection so the deal is worse for us.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I guess game 7 in the ECF doesn't count because Koekkoek played over 15 minutes in that one.

Koekkoek is better than Morrissey and Trouba isn't much better than him either. Trouba isn't much of an upgrade on Sustr so not sure why we would want him in the first place. The only piece of the 3 I would consider trading him for is the 1st but not much more than that.

K, no that is easily the dumbest post I've seen today. Trouba is far better than Sustr. Yes the package sucks for Tampa, but don't think Trouba is not that much better than Koekkoek.

 

[HoseEmDown]

K, no that is easily the dumbest post I've seen today. Trouba is far better than Sustr. Yes the package sucks for Tampa, but don't think Trouba is not that much better than Koekkoek.

They put up the same number of points last year but Sustr did it in less games. Trouba is more physical and a bit stronger in his own end. Trouba is a 3 who will want to be paid as a 1 in two years, Sustr is a 4 and will be paid like a 2nd pair guy. There isn't enough difference in their play to warrant trading for Trouba or paying him what he'll want in the future.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

They put up the same number of points last year but Sustr did it in less games. Trouba is more physical and a bit stronger in his own end. Trouba is a 3 who will want to be paid as a 1 in two years, Sustr is a 4 and will be paid like a 2nd pair guy. There isn't enough difference in their play to warrant trading for Trouba or paying him what he'll want in the future.

Yeah Sustr played what 3-5 less games? He had less goals on a far more stacked team with far better teammates, on his right side, and weaker competition. Trouba also has more upside.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Yeah Sustr played what 3-5 less games? He had less goals on a far more stacked team with far better teammates, on his right side, and weaker competition. Trouba also has more upside.

Yeah Trouba played what 3-5 more minutes a game? He had far more minutes on the PP as well. Sustr is 6'8 and still filling out, he's barely touched his potential if he does his upside will be much higher.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Yeah Trouba played what 3-5 more minutes a game? He had far more minutes on the PP as well. Sustr is 6'8 and still filling out, he's barely touched his potential if he does his upside will be much higher.

Trouba is younger and has better draft pedigree. Trouba also had to play with Mark f****** Stuart and yet even with him he didn't face easy competition per say.

 

[The Macho King]

Trouba is younger and has better draft pedigree. Trouba also had to play with Mark f****** Stuart and yet even with him he didn't face easy competition per say.

Not that I agree with the comparison, but Sustr played a lot with Matt ****ing Carle, sooooooo....

 

[HoseEmDown]

Trouba is younger and has better draft pedigree. Trouba also had to play with Mark f****** Stuart and yet even with him he didn't face easy competition per say.

Well if you want to use draft pedigree that Trouba for Koekkoek with a very small + should work. Like Macho said he had Matt Carle. The only reason Sustr had easier competition is because he dominated them so bad it made them weak.

 

[Paradise*]

Not the deal Winnipeg would looking for.

Don't want Johnson and Koekkoek isn't an upgrade on Morrissey. Winnipeg will wait for a deal that suits their needs.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Well if you want to use draft pedigree that Trouba for Koekkoek with a very small + should work. Like Macho said he had Matt Carle. The only reason Sustr had easier competition is because he dominated them so bad it made them weak.

You're my hero.

Seriously, Tampa passes on this deal, Trouba is not that good and Koekkoek is looking nicer every game, we will keep the 1st and Johnson instead of getting a little upgrade.

 

[The Macho King]

Well if you want to use draft pedigree that Trouba for Koekkoek with a very small + should work. Like Macho said he had Matt Carle. The only reason Sustr had easier competition is because he dominated them so bad it made them weak.

I love you so much.

 

[broc]

We'll we'd be trading for 3 players who need protection so the deal is worse for us.

Losing Hutchinson (a backup with upside), or Burmi is not s big deal.

Losing a Koekkoek (young D with top 4 upside) or Johnson is quite a bit bigger deal than that.

So really trading 1 player needing (and worth) protection for 2 of those doesn't make sense.

 

[go4hockey]

We don't want Hutchinson or Burmistrov, so it's basically Koekkoek + Johnson + 1st for Trouba. This can't be for real? I can see Koekkoek+ for Trouba, but the plus isn't Johnson + 1st.....

Koekkoek could be the plus in a deal for Trouba but no way in hell he could be the main piece going back. Come on get real.

 

[go4hockey]

They put up the same number of points last year but Sustr did it in less games. Trouba is more physical and a bit stronger in his own end. Trouba is a 3 who will want to be paid as a 1 in two years, Sustr is a 4 and will be paid like a 2nd pair guy. There isn't enough difference in their play to warrant trading for Trouba or paying him what he'll want in the future.

Bringing up point as a first argument for the value of a DEFENSEman is just silly. But that's HF for you. Guess guys like Rod Langway would suck in the eyes of today's HF/hockey fan.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Bringing up point as a first argument for the value of a DEFENSEman is just silly. But that's HF for you. Guess guys like Rod Langway would suck in the eyes of today's HF/hockey fan.

So Trouba is the new Langway, didn't think his overratting could go any higher but you just did it.

When you try sell a player as being worth a ridiculous overpayment he needs to show he's worth it. When he's supposed to be a top pair defender yet has the same amount of points as a fringe top 4 defender while getting roughly 6 more minutes a game plus plenty of PP time it doesn't look good.

 

[MrClutch86]

awful value for the lightning and not a need

 

[Sky04]

Awful for the Lightning, Trouba's value is tanked because he doesn't want to be there anyways.

 

[DFC]

Which is why I said moving forward. Plus, the fact that we have to throw in our 2c and a first makes this a trash proposal.

And Johnson is a borderline 1C, if not a full-fledged 1C (when healthy).

The upgrade that Trouba would be over Koekkoek isn't worth that much to TB. We're stronger with our 1-2 punch down the middle, and with Koekkoek taking over a second pairing role as early as next season.

 

[Halla]

I'm pretty sure Yzerman passes on that pretty easily

agreed. giving up a young C that has hit 70pts before, their top d prospect, and a 1st for trouba and scraps isnt good for TB

 

[These Are The Days]

I gotta pass on this one. What I REALLY want from the Jets is what no one can ever have and that's Laine.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Don't see Yzerman dealing Johnson period, And Trouba will want probably more then what Yzerman is willing to pay him in 2 years or so. Don't see either Cheveldayoff or Yzerman agreeing to this.

 

[PaulGG]

I wouldn't mind taking a risk on Trouba but the value is more like Johnson or KoekKoek straight up.

 

[Hunter368]

I wouldn't mind taking a risk on Trouba but the value is more like Johnson or KoekKoek straight up.

No interest in either as a return for Trouba........never mind straight up.