VoynovsParoleOfficer
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Proposal: Tbl-wpg
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We don't want Hutchinson or Burmistrov, so it's basically Koekkoek + Johnson + 1st for Trouba. This can't be for real? I can see Koekkoek+ for Trouba, but the plus isn't Johnson + 1st.....
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Koekkoek doesn't come anywhere near Trouba, AND he needs protection in the expansion draft. A late first and a 2C who's getting a big raise and offers nothing of need to us... no way in hell.
There's no point in discussing this, as the only LHD from Tampa who fits our needs is very untouchable.
There's no point in discussing this, as the only LHD from Tampa who fits our needs is very untouchable.
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That is what Winnipeg is looking for.
Koekkoek is really far from being that at the moment though.
I'll put it this way. Between this season and last Koekkoek's played 14 NHL games. He hasn't played more than 15 minutes in a single one of those games.
Last season Trouba played 81 NHL games. In every one he played over 15 minutes. In the vast majority of them he played over 20 minutes.
It is pointless for the Jets to move for a LD that is no better (and older) than Morrissey.
Morrissey is the bar. The guy they get either has to be younger (and with greater upside) or has to be better right now.
Koekkoek satisfies neither of those criteria.
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So basically Trouba, an AHL goalie and a fourth liner for..
..our most promising young d-man, one of the better second line centers in the league (+ a proven playoff performer) and a 1st round pick..no thanks. Yes Trouba is better than Koekkoek but we are not going to add Johnson there as some sort of freebie.
..our most promising young d-man, one of the better second line centers in the league (+ a proven playoff performer) and a 1st round pick..no thanks. Yes Trouba is better than Koekkoek but we are not going to add Johnson there as some sort of freebie.
I guess game 7 in the ECF doesn't count because Koekkoek played over 15 minutes in that one.
Koekkoek is better than Morrissey and Trouba isn't much better than him either. Trouba isn't much of an upgrade on Sustr so not sure why we would want him in the first place. The only piece of the 3 I would consider trading him for is the 1st but not much more than that.
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If you look at the draft order, yes. Other than that, there's not much Koekkoek has going for him compared to Trouba.
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Pardon, a high of 15:22.
Look. The guy hasn't developed yet. Maybe he will. Maybe he won't.
But the Jets sure as hell aren't going to trade away a guy who's proven himself to be a legit #3 defenceman in the NHL for a guy that is still figuring out how to be an effective bottom pairing defenceman.
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If Koekkoek was on Winnipeg he'd be a top 4 D. We have very good veterans on our left side so there's no need for him to play a ton of minutes. Just cause he wasn't fast tracked to the NHL cause our team sucked doesn't mean he isn't close to being as good.
Koekkoek is being groomed as Garrison's replacement, for second pair LHD. He is fine as 3rd pair now, and no need to rush him. Johnson is a good 2nd line center plus a Cooper favorite, and SFY treats 1st round picks like gold.
The only player I see maybe moving from the Bolts this year is Bishop at the trade deadline.
Trouba is a good D, but not at the price suggested.
The only player I see maybe moving from the Bolts this year is Bishop at the trade deadline.
Trouba is a good D, but not at the price suggested.
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This is awful. Much rather keep Koekkoek and Johnson. Honestly think that there wont be much gap between Koekkoek and Trouba moving forward .
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This proposal is flawed as hell. Johnson as a core doesn't make sense. He's a luxury piece for us at best. Koekkoek is a 3rd pairing guy who needs protection in the expansion and does not come close to replacing what Trouba can bring (and if someone thinks otherwise, you'd be shocked seeing what happens to him when you increase his ice time by about 8 minutes a game) and a late first is... a late first.
Just a bad proposal for both sides.
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If they Jets traded Trouba, Koekkoek would compete with Morrissey.
Maybe Koekkoek would end up beating Morrissey.
But Morrissey was more effective in the AHL and has proven he can play more, and harder, minutes at the NHL level.
Maybe I haven't watched the Lightning enough. If Sustr is only slightly worse than Trouba, and your defence is good enough that he only gets 17 minutes a night, then the Lightning clearly have the deepest and best defence in the league and there is absolutely no reason for them to acquire any defencemen.
Anyways, from the Jets point of view it is irrelevant though. They will definitely be offer a defenceman that is either better than Koekkoek is now, and/or has higher upside.
almostawake
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At the NHL level the gap between 15 minutes and 18 minutes is enormous, let alone the gap between 15 minutes and 22 minutes.
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Since Morrissey put up better numbers in the AHL he's the better player? I guess the minutes Koekkoek played weren't very hard compared to the early regular season ones Morrissey has.
I don't know why you're so caught up in TOI? We do have one of the best D cores in the league, it's why we've been a top team lately. We spread the minutes pretty evenly amongst the 3 pairs, this year Hedman-Stralman have been playing more than usual but the 2nd and 3rd pair when we go 6 D is typically only a minute or two different.
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Which is why I said moving forward. Plus, the fact that we have to throw in our 2c and a first makes this a trash proposal.
