Confirmed with Link: [TBL/TOR] Lightning sign and trade Darren Raddysh (8yrs, $8.5AAV) for a 2026 5th rd pick

[RSchmitz]

Tampa was in a position of zero leverage from the get-go because Raddysh was set to become UFA. He holds all the cards. It goes without saying that if there was a better deal on the table for him to sign with another team, BriseBois would have taken it. So, it comes back to either letting Raddysh walk, or getting something for him. On top of that, Toronto was very clearly the front runner for his services anyway. So unless you were crossing your fingers for him to hit the market and hoping he signs with a non-division rival, which all signs pointed otherwise, BriseBois gained an asset for someone who wasn't going to be on the team.

The "helping out a division rival" is complete nonsense and it seems very evident he would have ended up in Toronto regardless. It's either get a 5th rounder, or get nothing and JBB did exactly what he should have.

You are still missing my point. Having no leverage with negotiating rights with Raddysh does not mean we had zero leverage in a trade with Toronto. I already gave the example, last year Toronto did a sign and trade with Marner and got Nic Roy, and no, a 5th round pick is not enough incentive to grease the gears for Toronto and make this happen

 

[OGPete]

Not saying you’re wrong, but here are the numbers.

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Now I don’t know what the numbers look like before and after injury. But Raddysh had a better overall season with him. Which just goes to my original point. Raddysh was pretty underrated by the fans and coaching staff before his breakout season this year.

How much of that includes post-injury Moser?

The fancy stats people were losing their minds how good Moser was grading out to start the year before he got hurt.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

of the available options, if the goal is to use the cap space, Carlson is a good option in the short term. if the goal is to hoard the capspace for the season after, then yeah i can see your point.

Spending all our cap on Carlson, and not being able to adequately update the top line, is a no go.

What is the point? It doesn't make us overall better.

 

[HagelsBagels25]

Spending all our cap on Carlson, and not being able to adequately update the top line, is a no go.

What is the point? It doesn't make us overall better.

If we didn’t keep Raddysh why sign Carlson for more and use all our cap. Non sensical. We need to upgrade the forwards that have no heart or just can’t f***ing score (4 of the top 6), the entire third line.

We need a puck moving dman really badly but probably can’t find one for reasonable cost although I’d pay a lot for a Clarke type.

Seems we’re kinda stuck hoping we can recreate last years low event, boring, oh it’s 18-10 shots for us with 6 minutes left in the second we’re suppressing things defence. Maybe that works but we have to be so much f***ing better at creating offence. As jroc says asking for a simple routine f***ing goal shouldn’t be this god damn hard.

 

[bov]

You are still missing my point. Having no leverage with negotiating rights with Raddysh does not mean we had zero leverage in a trade with Toronto. I already gave the example, last year Toronto did a sign and trade with Marner and got Nic Roy, and no, a 5th round pick is not enough incentive to grease the gears for Toronto and make this happen

We didn't grease the gears, and the Marner situation isn't comparible.The Leafs presumably paid a 5th to get the 8 year deal, not because they were afraid of losing out on him in free agency to another team. The only true leverage we could've had is if another team was willing to pay more for his rights, which we can all see didn't happen. By all available accounts, Raddysh was set to become a Leaf. So, might as well get something, no? Sure, you could try to bluff them into something which for all we know may still have happened, and Chayka just says thanks I'm good see ya on July 1.

The only question/caveat is the details of this "sign and trade" , which means the Lightning are the ones who agreed to terms and perhaps there are up-front benefits for doing so which the Leafs valued enough to trade a pick for.

However I have not yet seen if that's really confirmed, nonetheless it doesn't change the fact that BriseBois' wisely got a pick for a player who it seems was obviously going to Toronto anyway.

The sheer fact this trade happened suggests with near certainty that it was Leafs or bust.

 

[TheSchmidt]

How much of that includes post-injury Moser?

The fancy stats people were losing their minds how good Moser was grading out to start the year before he got hurt.

It’s a great point. And I don’t doubt it. Some chart out there surely has those numbers, but I can’t find it. Just trying to defend Raddysh here. Even if you go back to 23-24, every pair he plays on has positive numbers.

 

[OGPete]

It’s a great point. And I don’t doubt it. Some chart out there surely has those numbers, but I can’t find it. Just trying to defend Raddysh here. Even if you go back to 23-24, every pair he plays on has positive number

Not crapping on Raddysh, just not buying that Moser is a product of Raddysh.

 

[RSchmitz]

We didn't grease the gears, and the Marner situation isn't comparible.The Leafs presumably paid a 5th to get the 8 year deal, not because they were afraid of losing out on him in free agency to another team. The only true leverage we could've had is if another team was willing to pay more for his rights, which we can all see didn't happen. By all available accounts, Raddysh was set to become a Leaf. So, might as well get something, no? Sure, you could try to bluff them into something which for all we know may still have happened, and Chayka just says thanks I'm good see ya on July 1.

The only question/caveat is the details of this "sign and trade" , which means the Lightning are the ones who agreed to terms and perhaps there are up-front benefits for doing so which the Leafs valued enough to trade a pick for.

However I have not yet seen if that's really confirmed, nonetheless it doesn't change the fact that BriseBois' wisely got a pick for a player who it seems was obviously going to Toronto anyway.

The sheer fact this trade happened suggests with near certainty that it was Leafs or bust.

If they weren’t afraid to lose out on him than it’s tampering

 

[DFC]

Most of Raddysh's points come from the PP. That's kind of my point, too many cooks in the kitchen on the Powerplay for him to get close to those numbers.

I doubt it. It's not like Tavares didn't get his share when the Leafs were even stronger. Raddysh will get his too.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Just sign someone that can replace Raddysh value 5v5. Hedman is completely fine manning the PP1.

If you just take into account 5v5, what is Raddysh's value? Average defender?

 

[Felonious Python]

 

[Felonious Python]

 

[TheSchmidt]

Not crapping on Raddysh, just not buying that Moser is a product of Raddysh.

I know. I was just being tounge in cheek with that comment since a lot of people think Raddysh was a product of Moser when Raddysh has succeeded on almost pair he has been on in his tenure here.

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

I thought I lost internet connection when he took that 10 second pause after asking “Why?”

 

[LightningStrikes]

I thought I lost internet connection when he took that 10 second pause after asking “Why?”

Haha for real. When the video was finished I didn’t even notice and was waiting for his next sentence.

 

[OGPete]

I thought I lost internet connection when he took that 10 second pause after asking “Why?”

He makes a very valid point, one which folks on this board would be wise to contemplate.