Proposal: TBL/DAL: Bishop + Callahan for Sharp + Lehtonen

[JesusNPucks]

Please view it as the basis for a deal and NOT the final deal. Salary and cap differences are pretty small. Be nice to each other.

to DAL
B. Bishop
R. Callahan ($1M retained)
5th 2017

to TBL
P. Sharp
K. Lehtonen
7th 2017

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[dechire]

From a TBL viewpoint this trade really doesn't have much benefit

 

[JesusNPucks]

From a TBL viewpoint this trade really doesn't have much benefit

From a Stars POV, I was thinking Sharp on an expiring contract to a Cup contender -- at least, more than the Stars the way they're playing this season -- is more valuable than Callahan and his contract. And, of course, the "price" for that was to take on Lehtonen's extra year, while sending Bishop off so he isn't lost in the expansion draft.

 

[Halla]

From a TBL viewpoint this trade really doesn't have much benefit

you get rid of one of the worst contracts in the league and get a good top 6 forward on an expiring contract.

 

[dechire]

From a Stars POV, I was thinking Sharp on an expiring contract to a Cup contender -- at least, more than the Stars the way they're playing this season -- is more valuable than Callahan and his contract. And, of course, the "price" for that was to take on Lehtonen's extra year, while sending Bishop off so he isn't lost in the expansion draft.

Bishop won't be lost in the expansion draft. He's a UFA. As upcoming UFAs Bishop > Sharp especially to the Lightning. Then comparing Callahan to Kari, Callahan is signed longer but is also much more useful than Kari. There's no cap savings for the Lightning which is what they really need.

 

[Halla]

Bishop won't be lost in the expansion draft. He's a UFA. As upcoming UFAs Bishop > Sharp especially to the Lightning. Then comparing Callahan to Kari, Callahan is signed longer but is also much more useful than Kari. There's no cap savings for the Lightning which is what they really need.

tampa is a better team with sharp in the top 6 and vasilevskiy starting than with callahan plugging away and bishop in net.

this deal also allows them to protect killorn in the exp draft

 

[Foppa]

If I'm Tampa I definitely don't consider that offer until I've seen more of Sharp's return to the ice. He's been remarkably consistent and has looked healthy and energized in his two games upon returning from injury but he'll be 35 in a month and his season hasn't unfolded enough to know if he'll track as his typical high-scoring self. Zero goals and one assist in 6 games is most likely a by-product of tiny sample size and injury but you never know at this age.

The other point to make would be if Tampa is going all out this year, which they should, 35 year-old Sharp and an aging, declining goalie who would serve as a backup is a net negative, not a net gain, from a playoff-proven netminding beast and, overpaid as he may be, a solid supplementary veteran. I disagree with the post above obviously. Vasil is a talent but this trade does not offer the kind of guaranteed returns or overall asset benefits to warrant dealing Bishop.

 

[dechire]

tampa is a better team with sharp in the top 6 and vasilevskiy starting than with callahan plugging away and bishop in net.

this deal also allows them to protect killorn in the exp draft

Except Vasy can still be the starter without downgrading the goaltending from Bishop to Kari who also has a bad contract. This trade does not fill any particular need for Tampa so what's the incentive to make it ? The difference between protecting Callahan and .500 PPG Killorn is not a 2 time Vezina nominee.

 

[WesMcCauley]

From a TBL viewpoint this trade really doesn't have much benefit

they get rid of a horrible contract?

 

[dechire]

they get rid of a horrible contract?

By adding another horrible contract ? That's not an incentive. It's a lateral move.

 

[Siginla]

Getting rid of Callahan and his nmc makes the trade close. There are other forwards Tampa would rather protect. A bit more to Tampa but not much to make it even. Maybe salary retained on Kari.

 

[Siginla]

Getting rid of Callahan and his nmc makes the trade close. There are other forwards Tampa would rather protect. A bit more to Tampa but not much to make it even. Maybe salary retained on Kari.

Just seen retained salary on Callahan. Remove that and it's even.

 

[Rschmitz]

Done if we aren't retaining salary. Would love to include a third team to send Sharp to in exchange for a righty PMD

 

[DFC]

This doesn't look like a bad proposal to me. Aside from getting Callahan off the books, the real question is, is Patrick Sharp worth enough, in 2016, to off-set the "insurance factor" that having Bishop provides?

I don't know. Could we do this deal and then assess whether or not to buy out the remaining year of Lehtonen's contract? Seems like that would solve what's left of our cap issues.

It's basically rental for rental and bad contract for bad contract. But the bad contract we'd be taking on is better than the one we'd be dealing out...

I could probably be talked into this, from a TB perspective.

 

[tjs*]

Lehtonen's buyout is significantly worse than Callahan's for next season and the retention on Cally makes it even worse for us. Make it Niemi and remove or at least decrease the retention on Callahan and we can talk but Lehtonen is a nonstarter for the Lightning.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

Dallas should not be trying to trade for Bishop in any way shape or form. We suck, Bishop can't fix what's wrong with our team.

Lehtonen's buyout is significantly worse than Callahan's for next season and the retention on Cally makes it even worse for us. Make it Niemi and remove or at least decrease the retention on Callahan and we can talk but Lehtonen is a nonstarter for the Lightning.

Kari's buyout costs $2.567 next year and $1.667 the year after, it's not that bad at all.

I fully hope that Dallas buys him out themselves rather than gives up assets (or takes back a worse cap dump) to rid themselves of him.

 

[go4hockey]

you get rid of one of the worst contracts in the league and get a good top 6 forward on an expiring contract.

And take on a bad goalie making a lot of money. I don't see Tampa making this move as it doesn't help with the cap. They needed to move Bishop this past off season he may end up leaving for nothing.

 

[tjs*]

Kari's buyout costs $2.567 next year and $1.667 the year after, it's not that bad at all.

Next year will be our biggest cap crunch so that's what matters most to us. Callahan's buyout that season would be $1.067M, so buying out Kari at $2.567M plus retaining $1M on Cally makes us $2.5M worse off than just buying out Callahan ourselves.

So basically we trade a Vezina-caliber goalie for a mediocre backup, an aging forward who can't score for another aging forward who thus far this season has been no better, and (assuming both Callahan and Lehtonen will be buyout candidates for their respective teams next summer) worsen our cap situation next season by $2.5M. This trade would make us worse both now AND in the future; there is zero chance Yzerman does this.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

Next year will be our biggest cap crunch so that's what matters most to us. Callahan's buyout that season would be $1.067M, so buying out Kari at $2.567M plus retaining $1M on Cally makes us $2.5M worse off than just buying out Callahan ourselves.

Ya know it's weird, I read the "Lehtonen's buyout is significantly worse than Callahan's for next season" sentence and I just interpreted it as Callahan's contract rather than his buyout. I didn't even consider that Callahan's buyout would be more palatable than Kari's (or even that Callahan's buyout was being considered by yourself). My bad.

For reference...

Callahan's buyout penalty
16/17: $1,066,667
17/18: $2,866,667
18/19: $2,866,667
20/21: $1,766,667
21/22: $1,766,667
22/23: $1,766,667

Lehtonen's buyout penalty
16/17: $2,566,667
17/18: $1,666,667

 

[CupsOverCash]

Don't see Yzerman giving up Bishop in a year that we are trying to win the cup.

 

[KevinRedkey]

For this to work, another team would have to be involved. That complicates it though.

For example:
To Lightning: R.Miller (6.000 x 1), P.Sharp (5.900 x 1)
To Stars: B.Bishop (5.950 x 1), R.Callahan (5.800 x 4)
To Canucks: K.Lehtonen (5.900 x 2), ??? (some sort of incentive for taking on Lehtonen+

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

If Callahan continues to have games like last night don't see a need or want to move him even if he could be moved. Of course it was only one game, heh heh. Against the Flyers. Cooper has not really given him opportunity to get his offense going. Been watching most of the Tampa games and first time I saw him in the top 6 and skating with Tyler Johnson was last night. Only time he seems to get PP time is when a player goes down with an injury. If any team were to take on Callahan with some salary retained by Tampa would be good for them. Callahan is overpaid and overrated but he is a guy you still want on your team, just not at 5.8 million but that is why the retained salary makes it interesting the trade . He is coming back off hip surgery and had no full training camp or preseason. So will need more games to get back into shape. He still is very effective like last night. With Bishop it is wise for Tampa to just keep him and have one final run. His Playoff experience and stats should be enough of a reason to keep him until the off season. Vasilevsky continues to be great and think the starter spot is waiting for him next season. But playoffs are still imo Bishops time to shine.

He looked like the Callahan I remembered last night. Just a miserable pos to play against, I mean that in the most respectful way. He constantly tortures me whether he's a Ranger or a bolt.

 

[DFC]

heh heh. Yeah that about sums up Ryan Callahan , thorn in the opponents side. If he is getting under the opponents skin and scoring key goals like last night then he is doing his job. More of that and that contract makes it a little bit easier to swallow. I think that was the first time he was in the top 6 this season. It's unfortunate though he priced himself out of the Rangers, if he took less he might still be here. Maybe a 5 mil and 5 yr contract would not have been too bad for the Rangers, Oh well. I still think he needs more time to get back his game. He was not supposed to return from that surgery till mid nov to dec.

That's some major thunder-buddying...

 

[VasilyKucherov]

That's some major thunder-buddying...

I will say the join date raised the same question in my head.

 

[JesusNPucks]

Done if we aren't retaining salary. Would love to include a third team to send Sharp to in exchange for a righty PMD

Curious if you'd still be interested in the Stars retained on Lehtonen $1M as well?