Proposal: TBL/DAL: Bishop + Callahan for Sharp + Lehtonen

[tjs*]

Curious if you'd still be interested in the Stars retained on Lehtonen $1M as well?

Nope. Even if you retained the maximum 50% on him his buyout would still be more expensive than Callahan's next season. If you did retain 50% and we didn't retain anything on Callahan we'd be looking at worsening our cap situation in 2017 by about $217k. Considering Kari's buyout would be significantly shorter than Callahan's we could maybe overlook that so long as that $217k isn't a difference-maker in terms of resigning our RFAs, but then you've still got the issue that we'd be trading a Vezina-caliber goalie for a mediocre backup and one aging player for another who currently looks no better.

In short even minimizing the cap harm this deal would do to us it's still awful because we'd be trading the only truly valuable piece away and getting nothing in return that helps us (unless Sharp returns to his old form which right now is far from guaranteed.) There's simply no incentive for Tampa to do this deal.

 

[tjs*]

Now replace Sharp with Honka and Lehtonen with Niemi and then we'd have something to talk about. You have to give to get and right now you aren't giving us squat.

 

[WhatWhat]

Now replace Sharp with Honka and Lehtonen with Niemi and then we'd have something to talk about. You have to give to get and right now you aren't giving us squat.

We would be taking Callahan long expensive contract off you hands, which would allow you to protect someone else...

Dallas isn't paying Honka for a UFA or to offload a goalie. Especially not if there is a terrible contract coming back

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

From a TBL viewpoint this trade really doesn't have much benefit

Honestly i think it does? I think it really benefits Tampa Tampa gets rid of a bad contract in Callahan and gets an expiring contract in Patrick Sharp it definitely benefits Tampa here.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Done if we aren't retaining salary. Would love to include a third team to send Sharp to in exchange for a righty PMD

Detroit's not going anywhere this year, Send us Sharp and send Green to Tampa Greener isn't really a PMD but he would definitely help Tampa and we shed $6 million for the 2017/18 season.

 

[tjs*]

We would be taking Callahan long expensive contract off you hands, which would allow you to protect someone else...

Dallas isn't paying Honka for a UFA or to offload a goalie. Especially not if there is a terrible contract coming back

Again, Lehtonen for Callahan is actually WORSE for Tampa next season due to Lehtonen's more expensive buyout hit in 2017. We'd be much better off just buying out Cally ourselves and keeping Bishop.

Like I've said in every thread on this topic there really isn't a deal to be made. We aren't trading Bishop for anything less than a significant return that makes us better over the next several years, and you won't give that up unless you can extend Bishop (doable) and move one of your goalies (unlikely). Just don't see it working out.

 

[tjs*]

Take Lehtonen out of the picture and you've got a workable deal, as losing Callahan's cap hit would be enough value for us to consider moving Bishop. Move Kari some other way or buy him out yourselves; I don't care. But taking back Lehtonen takes all the value out of the deal for us.

 

[Syckle78]

Detroit's not going anywhere this year, Send us Sharp and send Green to Tampa Greener isn't really a PMD but he would definitely help Tampa and we shed $6 million for the 2017/18 season.

Why would Detroit trade green for Sharp?

 

[Rschmitz]

Detroit's not going anywhere this year, Send us Sharp and send Green to Tampa Greener isn't really a PMD but he would definitely help Tampa and we shed $6 million for the 2017/18 season.

Green is on the books for 17/18 while Sharp is not however. We would want a guy who is on an expiring contract, or an ideal fit, which unfortunately Green is not.

 

[Byrddog]

Lehtonen is garbage. He is as bi-polar as Ryan Miller. If the bolts are gonna just lose Bishop after this season so be it, keep him and ride the tandem to the Cup. Its not like We can not pick up a back up for Vish in the offseason.

 

[Jeffro]

Done if we aren't retaining salary. Would love to include a third team to send Sharp to in exchange for a righty PMD

Tack on your first and you can have Shattenkirk.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why would Detroit trade green for Sharp?

Yeah if i'm dealing Green, I would rather do it in a deal for Hamilton or something like that. Would tend to think that Greener might agree to go home to Calgary of course Detroit would add other pieces as well maybe Mantha.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Green is on the books for 17/18 while Sharp is not however. We would want a guy who is on an expiring contract, or an ideal fit, which unfortunately Green is not.

Yeah Shattenkirk would probably be a better option for Tampa any ways.

 

[Rschmitz]

Yeah Shattenkirk would probably be a better option for Tampa any ways.

That is what I was thinking too

Tack on your first and you can have Shattenkirk.

Done

 

[JesusNPucks]

That is what I was thinking too



Done

So, is this what you were thinking, based on the original and subsequent comments?

to TBL
Shattenkirk
Lehtonen

to DAL
Bishop
Callahan ($1M retained)
5th in 2017 (TBL)

to STL
Sharp
1st in 2017 (TBL)

 

[Rschmitz]

So, is this what you were thinking, based on the original and subsequent comments?

to TBL
Shattenkirk
Lehtonen

to DAL
Bishop
Callahan ($1M retained)
5th in 2017 (TBL)

to STL
Sharp
1st in 2017 (TBL)

Yes sir, but without the retention. We cold retain on Sharp too to swing a more favorable deal since we have extra space this season with Stamkos injured

 

[DFC]

Again, Lehtonen for Callahan is actually WORSE for Tampa next season due to Lehtonen's more expensive buyout hit in 2017. We'd be much better off just buying out Cally ourselves and keeping Bishop.

Like I've said in every thread on this topic there really isn't a deal to be made. We aren't trading Bishop for anything less than a significant return that makes us better over the next several years, and you won't give that up unless you can extend Bishop (doable) and move one of your goalies (unlikely). Just don't see it working out.

Isn't the buyout only worse in the 1st year? Yes, that's when we're going to need the money, but it's not like we won't continue to need the money in the coming years. And we're not going to be nearly so cash-starved next year as it appeared, so it might be best to get Callahan off the books any way possible, so we're not still paying him by the time Kucherov's contract comes up again.

I doubt we would actually buy Callahan out anyway, really. We'd probably move Flip and Garrison, and suffer through Cally's contract until the buy out gets cheaper. Might not be a bad idea to switch that $ up to a backup goalie. If only because the deal is shorter.

Not saying I'd do the deal, but it's definitely not an easy "no." The question is, if Bishop and Vasy are more/less a wash at this point, would Sharp be worth more than having that insurance policy? Other teams might do this easily, but we have obviously experienced our share of untimely goalie injuries. So it's a tough one.

 

[JesusNPucks]

Yes sir, but without the retention. We cold retain on Sharp too to swing a more favorable deal since we have extra space this season with Stamkos injured

I think I'd make that deal if I were in Nill's shoes.

 

[johnsic]

I think Tampa should do this deal with NYI.

Bishop + Callahan for Halak + Kulemin

 

[tjs*]

I think Tampa should do this deal with NYI.

Bishop + Callahan for Halak + Kulemin

And we would downgrade ourselves at two positions AND add almost $3M to next season's cap hit because...?

 

[Rschmitz]

I think Tampa should do this deal with NYI.

Bishop + Callahan for Halak + Kulemin

1. We still are a contending team, we aren't going to drop talent without getting back talent. This is an obvious downgrade.

2. The long term cap help doesn't justify the short term benefit. Callahan is also semi useful while Halak and Kulemin aren't, they are straight cap dumps.

Even if you were to subtract Bishop, I'd have trouble making this trade

 

[turkulad]

The idea to add Vancouver to the mix via upgrading Lehtonen with UFA Miller in terms of both contract and quality is interesting to this Vancouver fan, who couldn't care less about goaltending this season. If TBL gets Miller/Sharp, DAL get Bishop/Callahan, VAN get Lehtonen/X. What's the X though? Make it worthwhile for us too.

 

[Rschmitz]

The idea to add Vancouver to the mix via upgrading Lehtonen with UFA Miller in terms of both contract and quality is interesting to this Vancouver fan, who couldn't care less about goaltending this season. If TBL gets Miller/Sharp, DAL get Bishop/Callahan, VAN get Lehtonen/X. What's the X though? Make it worthwhile for us too.

I don't see enough of an incentive here to bring Vancouver into the mix, what kind of X were you thinking?

 

[turkulad]

I don't see enough of an incentive here to bring Vancouver into the mix, what kind of X were you thinking?

I have no idea, that's why I'm asking the other party? We can slowly fold down to the bottom 5 or we can do it more violently via letting Miller go and play for a cup as a 1B/2 somewhere, or we can just stay put. If there's a fit for a trade such as I described, I'm sure Vancouver fans would be open to it, but yeah, the X is a future piece of some sorts.. but I ain't opening the bidding. It'd be about TBL getting a Vasilevski backup that's a) better than Lehtonen b) UFA after this season.