Confirmed with Link: [TBL/CAR] Lightning trade 2025 3rd for Jake Guentzel

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

Any thoughts on what happens to Duclair?

We do have the cap for him now, but do we want him after that playoff effort?

 

[Rschmitz]

Durzi signing with Utah for 6m, no way Guentzel takes under 9

 

[Master P]

We do have the cap for him now, but do we want him after that playoff effort?

If we could keep him for a decent price he would help with scoring depth for sure.

 

[RMF5630]

Stamkos isn't chasing a Cup, what's most important to him is respect. Nothing that's happened over the last 24 hours does anything to repair the disrespect he's been shown over the last year.

Disrespect? How has he been disrespected? Furthermore, if he has stopped chasing Cups, I don't want him. I am not interested in my ticket revenue going to just make Stamkos feel better. But, I do not believe Stamkos is doing that.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

We do have the cap for him now, but do we want him after that playoff effort?

If we get Guentzel he isn’t a fit. I’m going to keep driving this home but we can’t have 5/6 of our top forwards shooting left.

 

[Sky04]

If we get Guentzel he isn’t a fit. I’m going to keep driving this home but we can’t have 5/6 of our top forwards shooting left.

That has no impact what so ever. Most top players are LH, you are always going to have a high ratio of L to R shooters.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

That has no impact what so ever. Most top players are LH, you are always going to have a high ratio of L to R shooters.

Okay, but who do we put on our power play? Having one one-timer threat is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Stammertime91]

Disrespect? How has he been disrespected? Furthermore, if he has stopped chasing Cups, I don't want him. I am not interested in my ticket revenue going to just make Stamkos feel better. But, I do not believe Stamkos is doing that.

To not have contract talks, but when you do, you're offered 3M X 8 years. That's audacious. That's currently Nick Paul's contract. That's less than Palats offer IIRC. When you factor in he's 34, your captain, been here for 16 years, took less than market value in the past, just scored 40 goals (and people still call him a PP specialist yet half were ES, so who replaces both of those?), yeah - it's disrespectful. He may not feel that way, but during negotiations, being lowballed is one of the worst ways to open those talks.

 

[Stammertime91]

Okay, but who do we put on our power play? Having one one-timer threat is a recipe for disaster.

I'm thinking they'll move away from the typical one timer/umbrella styled powerplay if he's not coming back.

If so, that's incredibly idiotic. Edmonton and Florida both run powerplays like that and you see them dry up just as easy as ours at times. The advantage is a mobile far side (from Kuch) that either Hagel or Guentzel would play, but the disadvantage is losing a trigger man to capitalize off timing from one timers.

 

[Sky04]

Okay, but who do we put on our power play?

Plenty of ways, not sure why you think we'd have the run the exact set up, teams like Edmonton and Toronto have had the #1 PPs before without an elite RH shot.

Easiest is to move Kucherov to the other wall and set up the Guentzel shot on the other side, Crosby and McDavid both play the left wall to set up LH one timers.

We could have a PP that actually moves for once instead of a stationary one. Or Point could play that Stamkos spot for a bit, it's not like every single goal he scored was sniped, most of his PP goals were into half empty nets.....

 

[NatoGhost]

To not have contract talks, but when you do, you're offered 3M X 8 years. That's audacious. That's currently Nick Paul's contract. That's less than Palats offer IIRC. When you factor in he's 34, your captain, been here for 16 years, took less than market value in the past, just scored 40 goals (and people still call him a PP specialist yet half were ES, so who replaces both of those?), yeah - it's disrespectful. He may not feel that way, but during negotiations, being lowballed is one of the worst ways to open those talks.

Depends how it's delivered. JBB would sell it as an 8 year deal for someone who will most like play 4-5. So at that point the total money received is the same as 4 years @ 6m. Obviously it's not exactly the same but that's that selling point...

Its not as disrespectful as saying 3 years @ 3m take it or leave it.

It's still 24 million deal for a 34 year old. Maybe he takes 3 years x 6m and then ends up 1mill per year after that for 3-5 years (Corey Perry) and still ends up shy of 24 million over that same 8 year period.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Plenty of ways, not sure why you think we'd have the run the exact set up, teams like Edmonton and Toronto have had the #1 PPs before without an elite RH shot.

Easiest is to move Kucherov to the other wall and set up the Guentzel shot on the other side, Crosby and McDavid both play the left wall to set up LH one timers.

We could have a PP that actually moves for once instead of a stationary one. Or Point could play that Stamkos spot for a bit, it's not like every single goal he scored was sniped, most of his PP goals were into half empty nets.....

It’s not as easy as you’re making it out to be.

Moving Kucherov to the other wall minimizes the threat of his shot.

Moving Point to Stamkos’ spot removes the option in the slot and Point isn’t exactly known for his one-timer. He’s more of a receive-and-release shooter.

We can change the formula but you’re changing the best powerplay in the league. I’m all on board with making us a better 5v5 team but our powerplay is one of the biggest reasons we made the playoffs last year. Our system works and our players have 5+ years of experience running it. It’s a big gamble overhauling everything.

 

[Stammertime91]

Plenty of ways, not sure why you think we'd have the run the exact set up, teams like Edmonton and Toronto have had the #1 PPs before without an elite RH shot.

Easiest is to move Kucherov to the other wall and set up the Guentzel shot on the other side, Crosby and McDavid both play the left wall to set up LH one timers.

We could have a PP that actually moves for once instead of a stationary one. Or Point could play that Stamkos spot for a bit, it's not like every single goal he scored was sniped, most of his PP goals were into half empty nets.....

The issue with this is that you take away not just the best shot in Stamkos but the second best in Kucherov too. He won't be hitting one timers either, so you've lost both trigger men on the sides. Point doesn't have the shot in technique, power, or accuracy to play that spot. Point is best in tight.

And yes, a lot are half empty nets, but that's because of Kucherov and Hedman selling it for a RH shot. The closest we have for RH shots to connect on one timers would be Raddysh but you're not putting Raddysh at LW on the PP. Changing to a moving powerplay with Hedman at the top doesn't make sense. If we had other right handed shots, we'd have options but we're heavily skewed as most teams are to lefties.

Depends how it's delivered. JBB would sell it as an 8 year deal for someone who will most like play 4-5. So at that point the total money received is the same as 4 years @ 6m. Obviously it's not exactly the same but that's that selling point...

Its not as disrespectful as saying 3 years @ 3m take it or leave it.

It's still 24 million deal for a 34 year old. Maybe he takes 3 years x 6m and then ends up 1mill per year after that for 3-5 years (Corey Perry) and still ends up shy of 24 million over that same 8 year period.

Yes, that's the sell. They're looking at entirety while JBB is looking at AAV. So, yes Stamkos sees the whole contract, but if he's turned it down, it's kinda like yeah right on his part. He gets 6M X 5 on the market with ease.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

The issue with this is that you take away not just the best shot in Stamkos but the second best in Kucherov too. He won't be hitting one timers either, so you've lost both trigger men on the sides. Point doesn't have the shot in technique, power, or accuracy to play that spot. Point is best in tight.

And yes, a lot are half empty nets, but that's because of Kucherov and Hedman selling it for a RH shot. The closest we have for RH shots to connect on one timers would be Raddysh but you're not putting Raddysh at LW on the PP. Changing to a moving powerplay with Hedman at the top doesn't make sense. If we had other right handed shots, we'd have options but we're heavily skewed as most teams are to lefties.

Putting Raddysh in Stamkos’ spot is a good idea, I hadn’t thought of that. I think he’s dynamic enough to pull it off. He has a big shot and is skilled enough to support puck movement. You could have Moser on the 2nd unit.

 

[Stammertime91]

It’s not as easy as you’re making it out to be.

Moving Kucherov to the other wall minimizes the threat of his shot.

Moving Point to Stamkos’ spot removes the option in the slot and Point isn’t exactly known for his one-timer. He’s more of a receive-and-release shooter.

We can change the formula but you’re changing the best powerplay in the league. I’m all on board with making us a better 5v5 team but our powerplay is one of the biggest reasons we made the playoffs last year. Our system works and our players have 5+ years of experience running it. It’s a big gamble overhauling everything.

Yes and not to mention you take away the top three powerplay shots in one move by flipping them.

Stamkos, gone.
Kuch, strong side.
Point, not open for a shot in the slot.

That's pure hell to change sides with this team.

 

[Sky04]

You guys really overestimating Stamkos on the PP, they were equally as effective with Drouin in that spot without a RH shot. I'd argue is was even more dangerous considering Drouin could actually move the puck well.

Among teams past the 1st round in 2020, Tampa also had the top PP in the playoffs where Stamkos played 1 game. It's a PP heavily carried by Kucherov then Hedman, you guys are talking like LH shots can't score on the left side or something.

 

[gn2007]

Putting Raddysh in Stamkos’ spot is a good idea, I hadn’t thought of that. I think he’s dynamic enough to pull it off. He has a big shot and is skilled enough to support puck movement. You could have Moser on the 2nd unit.

Shiny bald head man

 

[Flat Ronnie]

We do have the cap for him now, but do we want him after that playoff effort?

Rather not

 

[Rschmitz]

Disrespect? How has he been disrespected? Furthermore, if he has stopped chasing Cups, I don't want him. I am not interested in my ticket revenue going to just make Stamkos feel better. But, I do not believe Stamkos is doing that.

Have you not been following the Stamkos signing saga since last offseason?

Yes, Stamkos isn't going to leave millions on the table for the sake of the team winning a cup while the GM is paying top dollar to everyone else. That's disrespect to a future HOFer and face of your franchise.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

He's still a top 6 player, and one that Tampa could likely afford. Most of the higher end top 6 players aside from those that they are already linked to will be too expensive to sign (Toffoli, JAM, Bertuzzi most likely etc) and still address the various other positions

i dont agree with you here at all.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

You guys really overestimating Stamkos on the PP, they were equally as effective with Drouin in that spot without a RH shot. I'd argue is was even more dangerous considering Drouin could actually move the puck well.

Among teams past the 1st round in 2020, Tampa also had the top PP in the playoffs. It's a PP heavily carried by Kucherov then Hedman.

That’s a fair argument, I forgot about 2017 and 2020. Crazy that we were able to make it work with Palat on the left side in hindsight. That unit with Drouin was fun to watch too.

 

[JTBF81]

i dont agree with you here at all.

Okay, well, his stats and play ate still top 6 capable, and they can't afford any of those other guys I mentioned if they get Guentzel, so very much agree to disagree.

 

[ThunderRoad]

To not have contract talks, but when you do, you're offered 3M X 8 years. That's audacious. That's currently Nick Paul's contract. That's less than Palats offer IIRC. When you factor in he's 34, your captain, been here for 16 years, took less than market value in the past, just scored 40 goals (and people still call him a PP specialist yet half were ES, so who replaces both of those?), yeah - it's disrespectful. He may not feel that way, but during negotiations, being lowballed is one of the worst ways to open those talks.

He's definitely gotta feel that way. He went from being top priority (which now is evident wasn't the truth when BriseBois said it) to obvious second choice or lower for some outside player that apparently BriseBois could make the highest paid player on the team or close to because it's looking likely Guentzel didn't have some burning desire to play in Tampa for the historical Tampa pay structure. When BriseBois made salary cap room yet none of it was apparently to negotiate with him.

This is going to backfire in the room. This is going to backfire with Hedman's agent and extension, unless it's already all but signed. Then what?

 

[Hoek]

If your Jake do you really want to sign here after what they did to stamkos ?

What does he care? This is likely his last contract and it's not like the Bolts can back out and not pay him at that point and he'll probably get an NMC to boot. This is more of an issue for guys like Point, Kuch, and Vasi who will be in Stamkos position in the near future.

 

[ccman68]

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