Taylor Hall For Adam Larsson V | 4,000+ Posts and Counting!

[Replacement*]

So you are saying that Nuge was enough to fetch us Larsson?

NJ asked for either Hall or McDavid .. Chia gave him Hall..

Time to move on!

Turn the logic around. Several posters in the thread are stating that the Value of Nuge is greater than Hall. That they prefer Nuge.

How the hell is that?

I mean its possible to have an opinion but to say Nuge is the better player is frankly ridiculous.

I don't even know how somebody could prefer Nuge's milquetoast peripheral game.

Quite clearly Shero wouldn't.

Its untenable really to be in this thread, on a Hall for Larsson trade thread, when Nuge as an offering was laughed at, for posters to be pretending Nuge is better. wow.

 

[Ol' Jase]

So now that this has become a "Nuge sucks" thread, are we going to start another Hall/Larsson thread?

 

[Fourier]

So now that this has become a "Nuge sucks" thread, are we going to start another Hall/Larsson thread?

Honestly I am not sure what more is to be said that has not already been so. Really we just have to wait to see how this plays out. There will be a whole lot of crowing no matter how it goes.

 

[Draiskull]

Turn the logic around. Several posters in the thread are stating that the Value of Nuge is greater than Hall. That they prefer Nuge.

How the hell is that?

I mean its possible to have an opinion but to say Nuge is the better player is frankly ridiculous.

I don't even know how somebody could prefer Nuge's milquetoast peripheral game.

Quite clearly Shero wouldn't.

Its untenable really to be in this thread, on a Hall for Larsson trade thread, when Nuge as an offering was laughed at, for posters to be pretending Nuge is better. wow.

If we were favorites to land Backes as UFA then trading RNH or even Draisaitl would have been preferred over trading Hall or even Eberle.

Fetching Lucic lessened the pain but in a vaccum Hall>>RNH

 

[Vanqu1sh]

RNH, Larsson, Lucic > Hall, Lucic, Larsson, IMO. Way more balanced team, and while I don't think RNH is the better player I think having these 3Cs is extremely valuable, and we'll likely never be able to replace RNH if we trade him.

 

[Replacement*]

RNH, Larsson, Lucic > Hall, Lucic, Larsson, IMO. Way more balanced team, and while I don't think RNH is the better player I think having these 3Cs is extremely valuable, and we'll likely never be able to replace RNH if we trade him.

Well, its only a modern thought that has it that Centers are inherently more valuable than game breaker wingers.

Most of the most legendary difference maker legends in the game were wingers. Go through the list of legendary heros of hockey and so many of them were wingers.

We might never see a Winger as purely explosive as Taylor Hall again. Its a pity we saw him in a relative dead pucks era and without having the opportunity to see him in the playoffs.

 

[CupofOil]

The irony in this select Oiler fans appraisal of Nuge>Hall is its a reactionary sour grapes approach of "well we preferred Nuge more anyway" when the reality is NJ laughed at any suggestion of RNH in trade for Larsson (Nuge regressing relative in vaue to Larsson since draft year) and thus requiring Hall to be used in the trade.

Quite clearly no managers are valuing Nuge over Hall or he'd be gone. you can't even trade Nuges contract. Who would pay 6M for what he brings?

Really? So he's a salary dump in your mind?

I get that Nuge has some flaws and his value was lowered after a poor season but the smear campaign on this player in this thread by some is utterly ridiculous.

Speak of Hall, I watched extensive highlights from the Kings-Oilers game 3 seasons ago (the Yak slide celly game) and I gotta admit, it made me a little sad that Hall won't be an Oiler anymore. He was flying all over the ice in that game. It's too bad that he wasn't the same player the last 2 seasons because the Hall of 3-4 years ago was such a sight to see.
It also got me hoping that Yak could potentially get his game back if placed in a position to succeed, he was beasting in that game beyond the famous goal. The skill is there, he just needs to get back his confidence.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Well, its only a modern thought that has it that Centers are inherently more valuable than game breaker winners.

Most of the most legendary difference maker legends in the game were wingers. Go through the list of legendary heros of hockey and so many of them were wingers.

We might never see a Winger as purely explosive as Taylor Hall again. Its a pity we saw him in a relative dead pucks era and without having the opportunity to see him in the playoffs.

Do we have any of those on our team?

 

[Young Lions*]

Do we have any of those on our team?

Not anymore.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not anymore.

And we did before?

McDavid is a game breaker. Is Hall on the same level?

 

[Replacement*]

Really? So he's a salary dump in your mind?

I get that Nuge has some flaws and his value was lowered after a poor season but the smear campaign on this player in this thread by some is utterly ridiculous.

Speak of Hall, I watched extensive highlights from the Kings-Oilers game 3 seasons ago (the Yak slide celly game) and I gotta admit, it made me a little sad that Hall won't be an Oiler anymore. He was flying all over the ice in that game. It's too bad that he wasn't the same player the last 2 seasons because the Hall of 3-4 years ago was such a sight to see.
It also got me hoping that Yak could potentially get his game back if placed in a position to succeed, he was beasting in that game beyond the famous goal. The skill is there, he just needs to get back his confidence.

Nuge has been on the block off and on for a considerable period of time. Maybe even years from reports. I doubt his contract can be traded without some buy back.

Why would a team pay 6M/ for Nuge? Since you affront that my take is so bloody ridiculous provide a list of teams that would, and why they would.

go.

 

[Young Lions*]

And we did before?

McDavid is a game breaker. Is Hall on the same level?

Hall's not as good as McDavid, but there are maybe five players in the world who are. But that's beside the point which is about the relative importance of wingers versus centres.

 

[Replacement*]

Do we have any of those on our team?

Damned frigging autocorrect spelled wingers wrong.

I'll consider it a Freudian slip contained within my froth that I didn't notice.

I was on a roll.

ps autocorrect is such a pain in the behind. You end up having to proof what was typed right in the first place.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Hall's not as good as McDavid, but there are maybe five players in the world who are. But that's beside the point which is about the relative importance of wingers versus centres.

Think the Pens win without Crosby? The Hawks without Toews? The Kings without Kopitar? Yes RNH isn't even close to any of those players but I wonder if people around here remember how good the Oilers were when Hall was being shoehorned into center because we had literally nobody else.

Damned frigging autocorrect spelled wingers wrong.

I'll consider it a Freudian slip contained within my froth that I didn't notice.

I was on a roll.

I knew what you meant, my question still stands.

 

[Vanqu1sh]

Well, its only a modern thought that has it that Centers are inherently more valuable than game breaker winners.

Most of the most legendary difference maker legends in the game were wingers. Go through the list of legendary heros of hockey and so many of them were wingers.

We might never see a Winger as purely explosive as Taylor Hall again. Its a pity we saw him in a relative dead pucks era and without having the opportunity to see him in the playoffs.

Perhaps, but things have changed quite a bit as the game has evolved. Centers and defenceman have the biggest influences on the ice in today's game. I'd rather have a core featuring 3 top flight centers that can be played with a variety of wingers and have success. Finding good ELC wingers is the easiest thing to do (in comparison to centers or D) and is a big advantage in the cap era. And if one of the three are injured we still have a legit top 6 intact. Hard to say the same if Letestu is our 2L C.

 

[Draiskull]

Nuge has been on the block off and on for a considerable period of time. Maybe even years from reports. I doubt his contract can be traded without some buy back.

Why would a team pay 6M/ for Nuge? Since you affront that my take is so bloody ridiculous provide a list of teams that would, and why they would.

go.

you obviously want to derail this thread or atleast discuss how bad Nuge is.. How about you create a new thread for that.

Nuge has been on the block for players like Seth Jones and there has never been a mention of him being overpaid by any non-Oilers fan. There certainly wouldnt be any retension whenever he gets dealt.

Even a cap strapped team like STL and a cap floor team like CAR would take RNH without any retension.

 

[CupofOil]

Nuge has been on the block off and on for a considerable period of time. Maybe even years from reports. I doubt his contract can be traded without some buy back.

Why would a team pay 6M/ for Nuge? Since you affront that my take is so bloody ridiculous provide a list of teams that would, and why they would.

go.

Do you have a link for this? I don't recall that Nuge was ever on the block under MacT. Teams might have been calling him about the availability of Nuge but I don't remember any rumors of him being on the trade block until this year.

What would give you the idea that the Oilers would have to retain in order to deal Nuge? You're basically saying that nobody in the league would take Nuge at his current contract, not even for free? Yes, that's bloody ridiculous.

Fine, you want one example for fact? Minnesota wanted him, no mention of wanting him at salary retention so where are your facts to show that no team wants him at current salary?

 

[Young Lions*]

Think the Pens win without Crosby? The Hawks without Toews? The Kings without Kopitar?

Think the Pens win without Kessel? The Hawks without Kane or Hossa?

 

[Vanqu1sh]

Think the Pens win without Kessel? The Hawks without Kane or Hossa?

Kane, Ovechkin, Benn, those wingers are franchise players and a big step up from Hall. Now Kessel, Hossa, Hall, they are valuable players and difference makers, but their teams would trade them all before they traded their centers, or their top D.

 

[Draiskull]

Think the Pens win without Kessel? The Hawks without Kane or Hossa?

While we are playing this game... Does anyone win without good Dmen?

 

[Young Lions*]

Kane, Ovechkin, Benn, those wingers are franchise players and a big step up from Hall.

Disagree, at least when it comes to Kane and Benn. Put those guys on the Oilers and see what they do.

Now Kessel, Hossa, Hall, they are valuable players and difference makers, but their teams would trade them all before they traded their centers, or their top D

That's not the question, though.

 

[Draiskull]

Disagree, at least when it comes to Kane and Benn. Put those guys on the Oilers and see what they do.



That's not the question, though.

yeh..why should that be a question in Hall for Larsson trade thread..
We need to be bashing RNH here.

 

[Replacement*]

Do you have a link for this? I don't recall that Nuge was ever on the block under MacT. Teams might have been calling him about the availability of Nuge but I don't remember any rumors of him being on the trade block until this year.

What would give you the idea that the Oilers would have to retain in order to deal Nuge? You're basically saying that nobody in the league would take Nuge at his current contract, not even for free? Yes, that's bloody ridiculous.

Fine, you want one example for fact? Minnesota wanted him, no mention of wanting him at salary retention so where are your facts to show that no team wants him at current salary?

Hey, you're the one alluding that my comments are ridiculous. So provide a citation that Minny was willing to take on the Nuge contract and when this was. News to me.

Heres some links on Nuge being on the block;

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/02/...ays-hes-open-trade-hall-eberle-nugent-hopkins

This one was a rumor so take with grain of salt but in retrospect I think its safe to say it was on the money.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-only-a-matter-of-time-before-oilers-make-big-move/

Its harder to find older trade information as google hits tend to have newer sources dominating hits even if you select search age range. Minny is speculated as trade partner but I don't know it ever got seriously considered.

 

[Faelko]

While we are playing this game... Does anyone win without good Dmen?

Carolina....sob.....

 

[CupofOil]

Hey, you're the one alluding that my comments are ridiculous. So provide a citation that Minny was willing to take on the Nuge contract and when this was. News to me.

Heres some links on Nuge being on the block;

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/02/...ays-hes-open-trade-hall-eberle-nugent-hopkins

This one was a rumor so take with grain of salt but in retrospect I think its safe to say it was on the money.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-only-a-matter-of-time-before-oilers-make-big-move/

Its harder to find older trade information as google hits tend to have newer sources dominating hits even if you select search age range. Minny is speculated as trade partner but I don't know it ever got seriously considered.

You said years. Those links are from the last 6 months. MacT was never shopping RNH from what I remember.

I'm having trouble finding the rumor but I seem to recall that there were reputable sources claiming that Minnesota offered Dumba for RNH and Chia turned it down. Might have been one of the connected Minnesota beat writers, not quite sure.

In any event, the salary isn't great but I find it very hard to believe that no team will offer the Oilers value for $6M RNH. I bet lots of teams would like to get him for the right price even without salary retention. It just seems crazy that Chia would have to retain RNH salary just to offload him.