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[LaGu]

Never mind.

 

[Dorian2]

In their respective contract years, 14/15 for Larsson and 15/16 for Jones, they both saw a significant change mid-season in which both ended up on the top paring for their respective organizations.
An educated guess would be that the main basis for their respective new contracts were their performance over that time. Both were extended in the summer, Larsson 6 y @ $4.2M and Jones 6 y @ $5.4M.

Now, let's break down the numbers a bit:

Player A
40ish GP 2 G 18 A 20 pts -9 (9 PP pts, 1 SH pt) 24:37 TOI/GP
- EV numbers when paired with most common D partner
GA/60: 2.60
GF/60: 2.28
DZ starts: 31.7%
Selection of most common opponents: J.Staal, Skinner, JT Miller, Zetterberg, Bergeron, Okposo, Nestrasil, Nielsen, Coyle

Player B
40ish GP 2 G 18 A 20 pts +6 (0 PP pts, 3 SH pts) 23:00 TOI/GP
- EV numbers when paired with most common D partner
GA/60: 1.67
GF/60: 1.76
DZ starts: 37.4%
Selection of most common opponents: Crosby, Pacioretti, Johanssen, Perry, Getzlaf, Tavares, Ennis


Is it too easy to figure out who is who?

Is it a slam dunk on which one to pick, if you were allowed to chose between them (leaving out that one of them has an additional season of playing 1st pair with even better numbers despite having a rough year offensively)?

I was just glancing through said players stats and it's fairly clear who the better Dman is to me. I really don't see what the big fuss is with certain players. I think it's a fad.

 

[Replacement*]

In hindsight I'd assume people wish RNH for Jones would've somehow happened?

Without a doubt. Make that deal in a minute.

 

[Up the Irons]

Except when actual executives were polled, RNH was deemed more valuable than RyJo



Ya, I'd be hesitant to play Jones as our #1 as well. He's a great young dman, who I badly want, but Larsson is definitely the better dman and someone who's shown he can handle the tough assignments

really? strange. too, bad Poille wasn't one of them.

 

[Replacement*]

Except when actual executives were polled, RNH was deemed more valuable than RyJo

How long ago was this "The Nuge" ?

Nuge's problem is his game hasn't gone anywhere. He's arguably worse player than he was in rookie season. That of course impacts value. Most players develop. Then theres the contract. Can't forget that.

I don't know Nuge is even tradable without buy back.

 

[frag2]

How long ago was this "The Nuge" ?

Nuge's problem is his game hasn't gone anywhere. He's arguably worse player than he was in rookie season. That of course impacts value. Most players develop. Then theres the contract. Can't forget that.

I don't know Nuge is even tradable without buy back.

Pretty much. He's lucky now the target is all on McDavid. Imagine if he was the #1 C...we'd probably still be in the same spot even with Larsson.

 

[LaGu]

How long ago was this "The Nuge" ?

Nuge's problem is his game hasn't gone anywhere. He's arguably worse player than he was in rookie season. That of course impacts value. Most players develop. Then theres the contract. Can't forget that.

I don't know Nuge is even tradable without buy back.

56 + 56 pts vs 63 + 71 pts (33 goals in his 63 pts season). 52+ fo%.

I think people are stuck with how good Nuge should be, not how good he actually is. Every year it seems as if people expect him to break out, and every year he doesn't ....

 

[Replacement*]

Pretty much. He's lucky now the target is all on McDavid. Imagine if he was the #1 C...we'd probably still be in the same spot even with Larsson.

I wouldn't even want to imagine being an Oilers fan right now if we had no McDavid, no Draisaitl, and Nuge was our 6M dollar man.

I'd give up hockey and start praying in church.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

56 + 56 pts vs 63 + 71 pts (33 goals in his 63 pts season). 52+ fo%.

I think people are stuck with how good Nuge should be, not how good he actually is. Every year it seems as if people expect him to break out, and every year he doesn't ....

IMO he broke out to a degree 2 seasons ago, but last season he was quite poor. At some point he needs to take a step forward or he kind of "is what he is". IMO he's got maybe 2 more seasons to elevate his game or he is what he is.

 

[Replacement*]

56 + 56 pts vs 63 + 71 pts (33 goals in his 63 pts season). 52+ fo%.

I think people are stuck with how good Nuge should be, not how good he actually is. Every year it seems as if people expect him to break out, and every year he doesn't ....

"How good he actually is?" He isn't. His EVGA for 3 seasons have been far south of where they should be for an alleged 2 way Center.

We got 34pts for 6M bucks. Sure, injuries, but not impressed with most of the season he did play.


Nuge thinks the game reasonably well, is in position reasonably well most of the time. Trouble is as recently as last season countless times where you think he's got a guy covered and his guy scores. Even in instances where Nuge thought he had the guys stick.

 

[Replacement*]

IMO he broke out to a degree 2 seasons ago, but last season he was quite poor. At some point he needs to take a step forward or he kind of "is what he is". IMO he's got maybe 2 more seasons to elevate his game or he is what he is.

Agreed with this. 2 seasons ago he was producing, hitting, and was much more physically engaged. But 1/3 of that seasons production was in the month of March. Nuge was not bringing the offense consistently and its been years since that happened.



Really fair post BBO.

 

[McPuritania]

I wouldn't even want to imagine being an Oilers fan right now if we had no McDavid, no Draisaitl, and Nuge was our 6M dollar man.

I'd give up hockey and start praying in church.

McDavid literally saved this franchise.

Scary to think where we'd be without lady luck.

 

[frag2]

IMO he broke out to a degree 2 seasons ago, but last season he was quite poor. At some point he needs to take a step forward or he kind of "is what he is". IMO he's got maybe 2 more seasons to elevate his game or he is what he is.

IMO, WYSIWYG at this point with Nuge...50-60 pts with "somewhat" Solid 2-way...though latter point I'm being generous. I hope he proves me wrong and can hit 70pts the odd season now and then but I'm not overly confident.

 

[LaGu]

"How good he actually is?" He isn't. His EVGA for 3 seasons have been far south of where they should be for an alleged 2 way Center.

We got 34pts for 6M bucks. Sure, injuries, but not impressed with most of the season he did play.


Nuge thinks the game reasonably well, is in position reasonably well most of the time. Trouble is as recently as last season countless times where you think he's got a guy covered and his guy scores. Even in instances where Nuge thought he had the guys stick.

Haha, I re-read my post and I think my point became the actual opposite of what I was thinking because of just those words you quote in the begining.

Just change the word goid to bad in the second half of that sentence. People are stuck with how good he should be, and not how bad he actually is. Potential, cerebral, just about there, etc, but he just cannot put it together.

Bottom line is give me Jones for RNH and I'd take that any day of the week and twice on sunday.

 

[LaGu]

IMO he broke out to a degree 2 seasons ago, but last season he was quite poor. At some point he needs to take a step forward or he kind of "is what he is". IMO he's got maybe 2 more seasons to elevate his game or he is what he is.

Edit: I can't write in english anymore, but I agree

 

[Replacement*]

Haha, I re-read my post and I think my point became the actual opposite of what I was thinking because of just those words you quote in the begining.

Just change the word goid to bad in the second half of that sentence. People are stuck with how good he should be, and not how bad he actually is. Potential, cerebral, just about there, etc, but he just cannot put it together.

Bottom line is give me Jones for RNH and I'd take that any day of the week and twice on sunday.

heh, funny thing is after I made that reply I reread your post and thought we are saying the same things.

its not even a matter of putting it together. The WC is too physical and opponents too much of a handful for RNH, as it would be for a Center that came before him..

In WC Centers have to have the brawn to physically compete. Nuge is left short in that regard the moment the season starts and like a lot of ectomorphs can even lose weight as season goes on.

 

[LaGu]

heh, funny thing is after I made that reply I reread your post and thought we are saying the same things.

its not even a matter of putting it together. The WC is too physical and opponents too much of a handful for RNH, as it would be for a Center that came before him..

In WC Centers have to have the brawn to physically compete. Nuge is left short in that regard the moment the season starts and like a lot of ectomorphs can even lose weight as season goes on.

Not my mother tounge, anyway you know what I mean, we agree on Nuge.

The only way to survive the West for a player like him is to gave a twin .... I just don't see his path to success, but I have been wrong before.

 

[Kestrel]

I could well be wrong, but I'm of the opinion that this could be a "breakout" year for RNH, but not necessarily because something clicked, or he put it all together. I think the current lineup means that he is going to be spending a lot of time either as a second line winger, or a 3rd line or 2b center. I think that leaves him with a lot less attention from high end players, and gives him the chance to feast on weaker competition.

That said, such a "breakout" year doesn't suddenly make him a star first line center, it just puts him in a position where he can potentially thrive, even if he's not putting out a 6 million dollar performance.

 

[Replacement*]

McDavid literally saved this franchise.

Scary to think where we'd be without lady luck.

With so much riding on the New Arena and with Bettman so involved in furthering that project I sometimes wonder about it all.

Could you imagine the NHL optics of the Oilers having a new World Class arena and fans not too interested in the club.

I should believe in miracles.

How sad is it that the org needed one so much?

 

[Replacement*]

Not my mother tounge, anyway you know what I mean, we agree on Nuge.

The only way to survive the West for a player like him is to gave a twin .... I just don't see his path to success, but I have been wrong before.

You're very good in English. To the point I would hardly ever notice it wasn't your first language. You express yourself as well as anybody on the board.

I just wanted to give you those kudos.

An RNH twin. haha. good one, that would work on the cycle.

Actually I want McDavid twins, no, triplets.

 

[LaGu]

You're very good in English. To the point I would hardly ever notice it wasn't your first language. You express yourself as well as anybody on the board.

I just wanted to give you those kudos.

An RNH twin. haha. good one, that would work on the cycle.

Actually I want McDavid twins, no, triplets.

Cheers, I appreciate it.

 

[Up the Irons]

I could well be wrong, but I'm of the opinion that this could be a "breakout" year for RNH, but not necessarily because something clicked, or he put it all together. I think the current lineup means that he is going to be spending a lot of time either as a second line winger, or a 3rd line or 2b center. I think that leaves him with a lot less attention from high end players, and gives him the chance to feast on weaker competition.

That said, such a "breakout" year doesn't suddenly make him a star first line center, it just puts him in a position where he can potentially thrive, even if he's not putting out a 6 million dollar performance.

I could see this being a year in which Nuge really 'comes into his own'. I see him settling in as player that can really help a good team, an important player along the lines of a Patrick Sharp (with the Hawks).

If he is one of your much leaned on players, you're probably not a playoff team and certainly not a contender, but if he's about your 4th or 5th most important forward you probably are a contender.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Watching San Jose last playoffs I can see RNH being our Logan Coulture. They even skate and look the same on the ice. Logan is their 2nd line centre with The Joes taking the heaviest match ups.

 

[Spawn]

Watching San Jose last playoffs I can see RNH being our Logan Coulture. They even skate and look the same on the ice. Logan is their 2nd line centre with The Joes taking the heaviest match ups.

I suppose if you ignored the fact that Couture is bigger, stronger, and better at every facet of hockey... sure.

 

[MessierII]

I suppose if you ignored the fact that Couture is bigger, stronger, and better at every facet of hockey... sure.

He's also 4 years older and should be at this point.