Speculation: Taylor Hall Contract

[REM17]

Craig Morgan talked to Hall's agent, Darren Ferris, on Monday while in San Jose and he had this to say.....

From The Athletic (paywall) Re-signing with Arizona 'absolutely a possibility': A...

Haha, the exact same lipservice from Ferris as for the Devils fans one year ago..

 

[BUX7PHX]

Here is where we are at if we were to re-sign Hall, Capobianco, and Hill to the roster (AAV in parentheses):

Hall ($9.6 M)-Dvorak ($4.45 M)-Garland ($0.775 M)
Keller ($7.15 M)-Schmaltz ($5.85 M)- Kessel ($6.8 M)
Crouse ($1.53 M)-Hayton ($0.894 M)- Grabner ($3.35 M)
Bunting ($0.95 M)-Stepan ($6.5 M)-XXXXX

OEL ($8.25 M)-Demers ($3.9375 M)
Chychrun ($4.6 M)-Goligoski ($5.475 M)
Oesterle ($1.4 M)-Hjalmarsson ($5.0 M)
Capobianco ($1.0 M)-Soderstrom ($0.925 M)

Kuemper ($4.5 M)
Raanta ($4.25 M)
Hill ($0.900 M)

For the obvious, we need another 2 forwards for our 12th and 13th. We also have 8 D and 3 goalies in this instance. We would be over the current cap of $81.5 M by about $6.3 M, where Hossa on LTIR allows us to go about $4.5 M above the cap number.

Don't care how we do it, but moving any of Goligoski, Demers, Raanta, or Stepan would all clear enough salary to allow us to sign one of Hinostroza or Fischer, which would basically round out the team. If multiple players are dealt of those 4, then that can mean bringing back Soderberg.

Dealing Raanta and Stepan, even with 50% retainment on Stepan would open up quite a bit of space. My preference would be either Stepan and Goligoski, Goligoski and Raanta, or Stepan and Raanta being moved. But moving two would likely mean Soderberg can return, we re-sign Fischer and add another bigger body (Matt Martin?). We could still be right around $84-86 M, and with the cap likely to rise, we use Hossa's deal to keep us in balance.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Here is where we are at if we were to re-sign Hall, Capobianco, and Hill to the roster (AAV in parentheses):

Hall ($9.6 M)-Dvorak ($4.45 M)-Garland ($0.775 M)
Keller ($7.15 M)-Schmaltz ($5.85 M)- Kessel ($6.8 M)
Crouse ($1.53 M)-Hayton ($0.894 M)- Grabner ($3.35 M)
Bunting ($0.95 M)-Stepan ($6.5 M)-XXXXX

OEL ($8.25 M)-Demers ($3.9375 M)
Chychrun ($4.6 M)-Goligoski ($5.475 M)
Oesterle ($1.4 M)-Hjalmarsson ($5.0 M)
Capobianco ($1.0 M)-Soderstrom ($0.925 M)

Kuemper ($4.5 M)
Raanta ($4.25 M)
Hill ($0.900 M)

For the obvious, we need another 2 forwards for our 12th and 13th. We also have 8 D and 3 goalies in this instance. We would be over the current cap of $81.5 M by about $6.3 M, where Hossa on LTIR allows us to go about $4.5 M above the cap number.

Don't care how we do it, but moving any of Goligoski, Demers, Raanta, or Stepan would all clear enough salary to allow us to sign one of Hinostroza or Fischer, which would basically round out the team. If multiple players are dealt of those 4, then that can mean bringing back Soderberg.

Dealing Raanta and Stepan, even with 50% retainment on Stepan would open up quite a bit of space. My preference would be either Stepan and Goligoski, Goligoski and Raanta, or Stepan and Raanta being moved. But moving two would likely mean Soderberg can return, we re-sign Fischer and add another bigger body (Matt Martin?). We could still be right around $84-86 M, and with the cap likely to rise, we use Hossa's deal to keep us in balance.

Trade Kessel! Sorry...bad joke...nobody would want him.

 

[cobra427]

Haha, the exact same lipservice from Ferris as for the Devils fans one year ago..

Aren't the Devils 6-2-1 since they traded Hall? Coyotes are sub .500 with hall I think. Funny how trades are viewed and what the outcome looks like at different segments. I suspect this will change once hammer/Kuemper are back, our D should be much better.

 

[rt]

Aren't the Devils 6-2-1 since they traded Hall? Coyotes are sub .500 with hall I think. Funny how trades are viewed and what the outcome looks like at different segments. I suspect this will change once hammer/Kuemper are back, our D should be much better.

The Devils have won 5/8 since the trade. Yotes 4/8. At least by my count?

 

[BUX7PHX]

Trade Kessel! Sorry...bad joke...nobody would want him.

Well, you are hitting on important points. We probably have fewer opportunities to deal Kessel or Goligoski. Even though 22 other teams are on Goligoski's trade list, that doesn't mean we can find the right team to send him to.

This is part of the reason why is was advocating the trade of Raanta and where either Stepan or Demers would be good options, as none of these players has a NTC/NMC. Out of all of them, Raanta and Demers have the most acceptable salaries, given their production. It would not surprise me if Demers was replaced by Soderstrom next year

 

[rt]

Here is where we are at if we were to re-sign Hall, Capobianco, and Hill to the roster (AAV in parentheses):

Hall ($9.6 M)-Dvorak ($4.45 M)-Garland ($0.775 M)
Keller ($7.15 M)-Schmaltz ($5.85 M)- Kessel ($6.8 M)
Crouse ($1.53 M)-Hayton ($0.894 M)- Grabner ($3.35 M)
Bunting ($0.95 M)-Stepan ($6.5 M)-XXXXX

OEL ($8.25 M)-Demers ($3.9375 M)
Chychrun ($4.6 M)-Goligoski ($5.475 M)
Oesterle ($1.4 M)-Hjalmarsson ($5.0 M)
Capobianco ($1.0 M)-Soderstrom ($0.925 M)

Kuemper ($4.5 M)
Raanta ($4.25 M)
Hill ($0.900 M)

For the obvious, we need another 2 forwards for our 12th and 13th. We also have 8 D and 3 goalies in this instance. We would be over the current cap of $81.5 M by about $6.3 M, where Hossa on LTIR allows us to go about $4.5 M above the cap number.

Don't care how we do it, but moving any of Goligoski, Demers, Raanta, or Stepan would all clear enough salary to allow us to sign one of Hinostroza or Fischer, which would basically round out the team. If multiple players are dealt of those 4, then that can mean bringing back Soderberg.

Dealing Raanta and Stepan, even with 50% retainment on Stepan would open up quite a bit of space. My preference would be either Stepan and Goligoski, Goligoski and Raanta, or Stepan and Raanta being moved. But moving two would likely mean Soderberg can return, we re-sign Fischer and add another bigger body (Matt Martin?). We could still be right around $84-86 M, and with the cap likely to rise, we use Hossa's deal to keep us in balance.

In that scenario, I’d also be VERY open to burying 0.90 of that 1.40 Oesterle hit in Tucson. Just eat the 0.50 in dead cap.

 

[cobra427]

The Devils have won 5/8 since the trade. Yotes 4/8. At least by my count?

Maybe included game he sat out? Hall saga could have been a distraction in NJ. Hall is clearly our most skilled forward, not taking away from Keller at all.

 

[rt]

Well, you are hitting on important points. We probably have fewer opportunities to deal Kessel or Goligoski. Even though 22 other teams are on Goligoski's trade list, that doesn't mean we can find the right team to send him to.

This is part of the reason why is was advocating the trade of Raanta and where either Stepan or Demers would be good options, as none of these players has a NTC/NMC. Out of all of them, Raanta and Demers have the most acceptable salaries, given their production. It would not surprise me if Demers was replaced by Soderstrom next year

I really don’t see an 8 team no-go list as much of a problem.

 

[BUX7PHX]

In that scenario, I’d also be VERY open to burying 0.90 of that 1.40 Oesterle hit in Tucson. Just eat the 0.50 in dead cap.

Oesterle is another player that we could throw in to round out a deal. He just looks like the 3rd pairing is kind of his highest upside. Just not certain that he has the upside that we were quite hoping for.

 

[rt]

At the draft:

To NJD:
Raanta
Stepan
Oesterle
Hossa

To ARI:
2020 NJD 7th round pick


Devils need to give their young guys a chance to win (Raanta) and veteran guidance and stability (Stepan). Devils also want us to re-sign Hall so their return gets better, thus should be willing to help us open up cap space (Hossa) especially if they get a free player (Oesterle).

We open up all the space we need for Hall, Soderberg, and a very good UFA backup in the 2-2.5aav range.

 

[Jamieh]

At the draft:

To NJD:
Raanta
Stepan
Oesterle
Hossa

To ARI:
2020 NJD 7th round pick


Devils need to give their young guys a chance to win (Raanta) and veteran guidance and stability (Stepan). Devils also want us to re-sign Hall so their return gets better, thus should be willing to help us open up cap space (Hossa) especially if they get a free player (Oesterle).

We open up all the space we need for Hall, Soderberg, and a very good UFA backup in the 2-2.5aav range.

This post has me laughing. Not that its a bad idea but I just keeping thinking of the old bag of pucks jokes from the past. It's actually a decent proposal that could work for both.

 

[Jakey53]

At the draft:

To NJD:
Raanta
Stepan
Oesterle
Hossa

To ARI:
2020 NJD 7th round pick


Devils need to give their young guys a chance to win (Raanta) and veteran guidance and stability (Stepan). Devils also want us to re-sign Hall so their return gets better, thus should be willing to help us open up cap space (Hossa) especially if they get a free player (Oesterle).

We open up all the space we need for Hall, Soderberg, and a very good UFA backup in the 2-2.5aav range.

Devils don't need Stepan. I think we have a back up playing in Tucson. But if Devils can get another first out of it they may look at this.

 

[rt]

This post has me laughing. Not that its a bad idea but I just keeping thinking of the old bag of pucks jokes from the past. It's actually a decent proposal that could work for both.

The way I see it, the reasons we valued Raanta and Stepan when we were newly rebuilding should still be applicable to New Jersey. They’re full blown tanking. They’re going to have another top five pick incoming. Do they want to go the Edmonton way with crappy goaltending and no solid vets? So their youngsters get shelled every night and don’t learn how to be NHLers? Or do they want solid, steady vets, that help fill the holes and keep the team in contests a little longer?

I think all the reasons Chayka acquired Raanta and Stepan make sense for Shero. Chayka paid for an unproven, but cheap Raanta who didn’t have as prolific injury issues. He paid for a 55pt Stepan. Shero is paying a different price. A much lower one. Stepan is older, vastly less productive and his contract is expiring. Not much value. Raanta is more expensive than he was when we acquired him. And he’s got that awful injury record. Cheaper acquisition cost.

 

[rt]

Devils don't need Stepan. I think we have a back up playing in Tucson. But if Devils can get another first out of it they may look at this.

It’s extremely likely that all of Palmieri, Simmonds, Vatanen, and Greene are playing their final seasons as Devils. They will absolutely, without question, have a pressing need for solid veteran leadership.

 

[BUX7PHX]

I really don’t see an 8 team no-go list as much of a problem.

I do because of his salary. My best guess is that his 8 team list consists of some very bad teams. So the question is whether or not a "good" team has the space or desire to add Goligoski.

I am just doing a random view, but a team like Toronto would probably love to add Goligoski, however with only about $17 M in space, they have to clear a lot to add him or we eat 50%.

Teams who dont appear to have a need for D in 20-21 season: Buffalo, Dallas, NYI, Winnipeg, Columbus, NYR, Anaheim, Minnesota, Tampa, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Edmonton. I still have about 12 more teams to look into, but a surprising number of teams don't have a lot of space to commit to Gogo's salary. Even with AZ retaining, it is very likely that there is a limit to what we would retain. An example like Edmonton, with 4 RFA D of their 7-8 on cap friendly means that I dont see a Golugoski trade there. There are a lot of teams like this where the D is not in bad shape.

Obviously, I am not following what I would do with the Coyotes, where other teams can move the pieces around to open up space to add Goligoski. But, I see Goligoski as a less valuable return, based on salary and he is a LH. If Demers had the same salary, may be a little easier to move him because of the need for RH shots.

 

[BUX7PHX]

At the draft:

To NJD:
Raanta
Stepan
Oesterle
Hossa

To ARI:
2020 NJD 7th round pick


Devils need to give their young guys a chance to win (Raanta) and veteran guidance and stability (Stepan). Devils also want us to re-sign Hall so their return gets better, thus should be willing to help us open up cap space (Hossa) especially if they get a free player (Oesterle).

We open up all the space we need for Hall, Soderberg, and a very good UFA backup in the 2-2.5aav range.

I don't see why we need to trade Hossa. Honestly, put him on IR so we can do the same thing as was done this year - it allows us to go over the cap, so we could actually sign Hall, Soderberg, a cheap backup like Halak, and probably even another grit guy for the 13th F.

 

[moosemeister]

You’re crazy if you think Halak is going to be a cheap backup

 

[BUX7PHX]

You’re crazy if you think Halak is going to be a cheap backup

He is earning $2.75 M this year. That means he is making less than what either of our goalies will make next year. He, Khudobin, and Elliot would be on my short list of backups to acquire in that regard. If we think Hill is ready and Kuemper is fine for 55 games, then we don't even go that route. I think we want a little more established value out of Hill before we turn him into the primary backup.

I just double-checked this route with rt's trade idea. We could re-sign Fischer, but likely not Hinostroza. Too bad for the Jenik injury, as there might have been a small chance of being the 13th F, but probably year after next year. Without a 13th F and a backup goalie, AZ would be at just a hair over $80 M.

Hossa on LTIR and any increase to the salary cap, and we would be looking at adding a Khudobin and Martin for less than $5 M total. Highly doable.

 

[Jakey53]

It’s extremely likely that all of Palmieri, Simmonds, Vatanen, and Greene are playing their final seasons as Devils. They will absolutely, without question, have a pressing need for solid veteran leadership.

None of those players play C. Devils are fine at C and don't need a dead beat Stepan. If they need leadership I see them looking for player playing a different position.

 

[Jakey53]

At the draft:

To NJD:
Raanta
Stepan
Oesterle
Hossa

To ARI:
2020 NJD 7th round pick


Devils need to give their young guys a chance to win (Raanta) and veteran guidance and stability (Stepan). Devils also want us to re-sign Hall so their return gets better, thus should be willing to help us open up cap space (Hossa) especially if they get a free player (Oesterle).

We open up all the space we need for Hall, Soderberg, and a very good UFA backup in the 2-2.5aav range.

I would try to work on a deal to keep that second 1st. if we sign Hall.

 

[BUX7PHX]

The following roster is just over $84 M:

Trade Raanta, Stepan, and Oesterle for some return that takes on little money.

Sign Hall at 7 years, $72 M.
Sign Soderberg at 2 years, $7.5 M
Sign Martin at 2 years, $4.4 M
Sign Dell at 1 year, $1.75 M

Re-sign Fischer at 2 years, $2.2 M
Re-sign Capobianco at 2 years, $1.8 M

Hall-Dvorak-Keller
Crouse-Schmaltz-Kessel
Martin-Hayton-Garland
Grabner-Soderberg- Fischer
Bunting

OEL-Hjalmarsson
Chychrun-Demers
Goligoski-Soderstrom
Capobianco

Kuemper
Dell

 

[Name Nameless]

The following roster is just over $84 M:

Trade Raanta, Stepan, and Oesterle for some return that takes on little money.

Sign Hall at 7 years, $72 M.
Sign Soderberg at 2 years, $7.5 M
Sign Martin at 2 years, $4.4 M
Sign Dell at 1 year, $1.75 M

Re-sign Fischer at 2 years, $2.2 M
Re-sign Capobianco at 2 years, $1.8 M

Hall-Dvorak-Keller
Crouse-Schmaltz-Kessel
Martin-Hayton-Garland
Grabner-Soderberg- Fischer
Bunting

OEL-Hjalmarsson
Chychrun-Demers
Goligoski-Soderstrom
Capobianco

Kuemper
Dell

It might be just me, but I seriously think it's easier to read this things if you write AAV and not the total numbers..

I do have a calculator. But still.

 

[BUX7PHX]

It might be just me, but I seriously think it's easier to read this things if you write AAV and not the total numbers..

I do have a calculator. But still.

Haha, sorry, that's the math jut
nkie in me. You look at 7 yrs, 72 M and I immediately think, "Ok, $10.28 M per year..."

I will amend from here on out

 

[Lilhoody]

The following roster is just over $84 M:

Trade Raanta, Stepan, and Oesterle for some return that takes on little money.

Sign Hall at 7 years, $72 M.
Sign Soderberg at 2 years, $7.5 M
Sign Martin at 2 years, $4.4 M
Sign Dell at 1 year, $1.75 M

Re-sign Fischer at 2 years, $2.2 M
Re-sign Capobianco at 2 years, $1.8 M

Hall-Dvorak-Keller
Crouse-Schmaltz-Kessel
Martin-Hayton-Garland
Grabner-Soderberg- Fischer
Bunting

OEL-Hjalmarsson
Chychrun-Demers
Goligoski-Soderstrom
Capobianco

Kuemper
Dell

Why keep Fischer around? Plenty of guys in the A, can do (0r try) what he does. Let FAsching and Bunting who become 12th and 13th F.