Value of: Tavares

[norrisnick]

Are you purposely being obtuse?

Common sense dictates teams have different needs. Hence why trades happen in the first place. Shouldn't be hard to understand that a team may want a 30 goal ppg elite faceoff centre and for the right price, obviously a team could put up an offer that is seen as better from the leafs pov.

Right price being not $11m, hence this thread existing in the first place.

Anything that doesn't tie up $11m for the next two seasons is likely what the Leafs are looking for.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He won't so there is no point in even discussing it.

Tavares has just as realistic a chance of being traded as Mcdavid does.

AKA no chance

 

[Djp]

Are you purposely being obtuse?

Common sense dictates teams have different needs. Hence why trades happen in the first place. Shouldn't be hard to understand that a team may want a 30 goal ppg elite faceoff centre and for the right price, obviously a team could put up an offer that is seen as better from the leafs pov.

A team is not trading a recent top 20 1st round pick player 23 or under for a 30+ yr old player on a high contract.

even if you expand and say a team with $6M in space could hypothetically do a player(s) swap where Toronto nets $5M in space. Even then the same teams who have $11M in space are also ones with $6M in space.

this becomes more of a closer to cap neutral type of trade With an under $3M in cap difference.

 

[AvroArrow]

Definitely a difficult conversation

He's not going anywhere, my sister works with his wife at hospital. He's planning on retiring here and raising his kids here. Absolutely no chance he waives, he's gonna play out his contract and then sign cheaper once his deal is up.

 

[SirloinUB]

He won’t waive, and I question how motivated Toronto would actually be to move him.

 

[LTIR]

Trade him to OTT for Debrincat maybe..
OTT is close'ish enough to TOR

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

IF we could get Tavares to waive what is the return? 2 years at 11m aav. Is there a market.

Edit: Added @Puckstuff point below

“Keep in mind after the leafs pay his bonuses his actual salary drops to 910 k for 2023 and 2024. And the team would only have to pay him one signing bonus of 7 million which bring the total financial commitment to just over 9 million over 2 years which is an average of 4.5 a year over 2 years.”

Another thread about getting rid of one of the top 4 Leaf forwards because someone doesn't like how much money they make.
If you trade him who do you get to fill his spot? What assets do you expect back?
His replacement is going to cost 7 million and most likely will only be a 50 to 60 point player max. He has produce at a PPG his entire time here.
You will get minimal assets for him so all you get is 4 million a season for the next two seasons. What does that do?
The Leafs do not have a cap issue going into the off season. they will have 10 million to 13 million depending on how much the cap increases. They have 8 forwards signed(this includes Kinies and Robertson), 6 dmen, an 2 goalies at that number. This does count Muzzin's 5.6 million LTIR or Murray's deal. The leafs are going to have at least 2 more ELC/ league minimum forwards so now you 8 to 11 million to sign 2 forwards to a more than league minimum deal. Unless you think a top 10 Defenceman is available what do they really need extra cap for?

 

[Atomos2]

Right price being not $11m, hence this thread existing in the first place.

Anything that doesn't tie up $11m for the next two seasons is likely what the Leafs are looking for.

Keeping their captain to lead their team in the playoffs is more likely what the Leafs are looking for rather than getting rid of a PPG centre and using up that cap space on the Jack Campbells and Milan Lucics of the world.

A team is not trading a recent top 20 1st round pick player 23 or under for a 30+ yr old player on a high contract.

even if you expand and say a team with $6M in space could hypothetically do a player(s) swap where Toronto nets $5M in space. Even then the same teams who have $11M in space are also ones with $6M in space.

this becomes more of a closer to cap neutral type of trade With an under $3M in cap difference.

Teams are gonna do whatever they want. Don't presume to understand the inner workings of every single nhl GM in the league. They have their own agendas. If a team is willing to trade for contracts like Clarkson, Phaneuf, Nick Ritchie, I hardly think a 30 goal point per game elite faceoff centre at 11M would be that much of a deterrent. You might not agree with it, but it doesn't mean that they wouldn't do it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Keeping their captain to lead their team in the playoffs is more likely what the Leafs are looking for rather than getting rid of a PPG centre and using up that cap space on the Jack Campbells and Milan Lucics of the world.

If a GM traded for Campbell and Lucic for Tavares, they wouldn’t last long, poor example.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If a GM traded for Campbell and Lucic for Tavares, they wouldn’t last long, poor example.

Yeah pulling out the extreme bad trades over the past decade is disingenuous.
Maybe assume that Toronto used the cap space to make some good deals is more reasonable. Heck maybe they get a steal like Nichuskin.
There’s no question Tavares is overpaid based on his production given other salaries for comparable players. But that was always going to be the case. The contract has aged better than many expected at least.

 

[Djp]

Yeah pulling out the extreme bad trades over the past decade is disingenuous.
Maybe assume that Toronto used the cap space to make some good deals is more reasonable. Heck maybe they get a steal like Nichuskin.
There’s no question Tavares is overpaid based on his production given other salaries for comparable players. But that was always going to be the case. The contract has aged better than many expected at least.

Aged better…..

you mean something you can at least swallow and you digest
vs
it can kill you, make you extremely sick, or make you sit on the toilet the next day

scotch he is not…more like past expiration date on the packaging by a few days.

 

[Jerkbait]

It's a null point . Tavares been good and consistent this year and nothing would indicate he can't next year. There isn't anyone that's going to go to leaf land and do much better

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I get it’s a hypothetical but there’s pretty much 0% chance the Leafs would ask JT to waive and there’s a 0% chance he would agree to it. He’s wanted to be a leaf for forever and he’s the captain. His living out his childhood dream and his entire life and family are in Toronto. He ain’t going anywhere

 

[BlueTacos]

Binnington for jt and 20% retained on Tavares.

 

[TheScandal89]

His cap hit sucks and he's not the greatest 5 on 5 player, but he's still been really good for us. More or less a PPG player and elite faceoff man. Can't see us trading him, I'm just hoping he takes a very team friendly deal once his contract is done if theres mutual interest in him staying.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Our ppg captain is not available.

Thread/

 

[HockeyVirus]

This is the correct answer.

This thread is pointless.

No it's not, it got all the trolls out which was the point

 

[FiveHoleo]

More looking for cap flex as the biggest return but curious of potential assets back.

Morgan Reilly is the guy to trade for cap flexibility. If you move Tavares you leave a gaping hole in the lineup that will require most of that cap hit to replace. You'd essentially be significantly downgrading at a key position for minimal improvements elsewhere. Cool, we can afford to extend Bunting but now Kampf is feeding him the puck. Trading Morgan Reilly however frees up all of his cap hit with very minimal impact on the teams performance.

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

It’s honestly more interesting to try and gauge just how much opportunity Dubas cost the Leafs with this foolhardy Tavares debacle in the first place.

 

[Crashsunday]

No doubt in my mind Tavares will go the Spezza/Giordano route after this contract is up.

Hometown boy married to his hometown girl. They are settled and established. No way he is willing to move nor will he be asked to.

 

[CanadienShark]

Very unlikely they'd ever ask him to move, but Colorado would be fun to see.

 

[dwonger]

To be honest I think he would be hard pressed to hit 60 points on any other team other then like the top 5 scoring teams. He is will insulated in TO. Also, how the heck is he a negative player on a team with such a massive goal differential?

 

[Sundinisagod]

To be honest I think he would be hard pressed to hit 60 points on any other team other then like the top 5 scoring teams. He is will insulated in TO. Also, how the heck is he a negative player on a team with such a massive goal differential?

I think the opposite actually. I think he'd put up a bit more points with more minutes.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Morgan Reilly is the guy to trade for cap flexibility. If you move Tavares you leave a gaping hole in the lineup that will require most of that cap hit to replace. You'd essentially be significantly downgrading at a key position for minimal improvements elsewhere. Cool, we can afford to extend Bunting but now Kampf is feeding him the puck. Trading Morgan Reilly however frees up all of his cap hit with very minimal impact on the teams performance.

I’d trade Reilly absolutely. Not sure I’d resign bunting at anything over 2.5-3. Nylander hopefully isn’t the cap casualty. OReilly would be my hope to replace Tavares. But this thread is full of reasons that’s a tough sell so I’m resigned to seeing them work around his cap hit until he gives that hopeful discount.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Cool to close this thread. Thanks for the discussion