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At his contract he's worth less than it'll be worth for the Leafs to trade him. His return won't be great even whilst being a good player.
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More looking for cap flex as the biggest return but curious of potential assets back.
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Keep in mind after the leafs pay his bonuses his actual salary drops to 910 k for 2023 and 2024. And the team would only have to pay him one signing bonus of 7 million which brings the total financial commitment to just over 9 million over 2 years which is an average of 4.5 m a year over 2 years.
Fans wouldn’t care about this but a team owner that doesn’t want to spend to the cap might find paying a PPG player for only 4.5 million a year for 2 years to be valuable.
What team would want a veteran goal scorer with a high cap hit and a lower salary level deal? Maybe Buffalo.
Fans wouldn’t care about this but a team owner that doesn’t want to spend to the cap might find paying a PPG player for only 4.5 million a year for 2 years to be valuable.
What team would want a veteran goal scorer with a high cap hit and a lower salary level deal? Maybe Buffalo.
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Full NMC right? Can't see him going anywhere
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Arthur Morgan
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Tavares will likely be a Leaf the rest of his career. 100% not waiving his NTC.
might as well just forget about this idea
I mean yeah it seems like it would be the best place to get cap back its just impossible.
atleast next season should be the final deadcap year
might as well just forget about this idea
I mean yeah it seems like it would be the best place to get cap back its just impossible.
atleast next season should be the final deadcap year
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Not only that, but it's doubtful Toronto would even ask him about this. Maybe they only do it in theory if they have a deal lined up, but will he accept to any team? And if he agrees but they don''t trade him, where does that leave the relationship? Hard to imagine he's not at least somewhat disgruntled. It's a long limb for Toronto to go out on just asking him about this.
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Yeah you are looking at a dump, not a trade. You may have to package that contract with something shiny to get it moved. Tavares to Arz or Chicago?
Dubas wouldn’t ask him to waive so doesn’t matter but regardless he is performing well right now, PPG 30G season, so I am sure some poor team would love him to hit the cap floor given how little he is owed after his summer bonus
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I don't think the salary part is that relevant when you consider that Tavares would most likely only waive to a contender. So you eliminate the teams just going to cap floor/or using filling up on cap space w/ low salary. You're left with maybe a handful at most that Tavares would feel like he's contending with. He's a point per game player who might see his production dip on another team. I think at most you're willing to go 8.5-9 million here for short term leadership, production and filling a hole on your roster. But 11 is probably too high.
The return you're looking at depends on the team he's waiving for. Should he decide to go to a bottom team that has plenty of cap space and will take advantage of that lower salary, you're probably going to get a little more than a contending team taking on that salary.
The return you're looking at depends on the team he's waiving for. Should he decide to go to a bottom team that has plenty of cap space and will take advantage of that lower salary, you're probably going to get a little more than a contending team taking on that salary.
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JT waiving his NMC isn’t going to happen. Snd why would the Leafs even ask him?
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He's most likely not getting moved during this contract.
But don't necessarily agree with @Arthur Morgan that he will retire a Leaf.
After this deal is done, he will just be turning 35, he might find a 3rd act elsewhere
But don't necessarily agree with @Arthur Morgan that he will retire a Leaf.
After this deal is done, he will just be turning 35, he might find a 3rd act elsewhere
Maybe a Team like Colorado can be interest @ 50%.
Colorado will have a lot of change this summer.
They have Compher Eller Rodrigues Cogliano Helm Nieto E. Johnson all UFA and Byram Newhook Malgin RFA
Colorado will have a lot of change this summer.
They have Compher Eller Rodrigues Cogliano Helm Nieto E. Johnson all UFA and Byram Newhook Malgin RFA
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Only when the Leafs are in HF land is a 30 goal Ppg player considered a cap dump.
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If he's not a cap dump, why would the Leafs want to move a 30 goal PPG player?
Even if he waived, Tavares at 11 mil cap hit would be incredibly difficult to move. Good player and I’m sure teams would love to add him, but no contenders have that kind of cap space just laying around.
The only way the Leafs would even approach him about it is if next summer goes horribly, horribly wrong. Like Matthews says he won’t re-sign and won’t waive his last year for a trade. Nylander does the same. Mitch is great but he can’t carry a team, they might look to just blow it up at that point.
In that case, there would be no reason not to retain, and Tavares at 5.5 mil cap hit would be extremely valuable and fetch a great return in a trade.
The only way the Leafs would even approach him about it is if next summer goes horribly, horribly wrong. Like Matthews says he won’t re-sign and won’t waive his last year for a trade. Nylander does the same. Mitch is great but he can’t carry a team, they might look to just blow it up at that point.
In that case, there would be no reason not to retain, and Tavares at 5.5 mil cap hit would be extremely valuable and fetch a great return in a trade.
If you attach a 2nd then Arizona may trade you future considerations for him.
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If you trade him the summer, thr new team is on the hook for all of 24
after 23 bonus is paid it’s about $9M in real money owed.
who has $10M in cap space, and
would want him and
might be a playoff contender
Toronto likely gets a 6 th and a contract back.
I think it’s better to keep him. He’s been one of our best performers in elimination playoff games. Will cost massive assets and cap space to replace what he brings and when his contract is up in a few years there’s a good chance he takes a hometown discount to stay here ala Spezza and Giordano. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Leafs sneak in a hand shake agreement on a front office position after he retires.
Cap space has value as we’ve seen this past year. There’s very few teams that could fit him under the cap and the question is whether they could weaponize their cap space more effectively. Also keep in mind most of the teams with the cap space aren’t competing right now so I’m not sure they’d want Tavares.
So I’d say the return would be modest at best.
So I’d say the return would be modest at best.
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he seems to be very happy here and isnt his wife and kid from around here too? I can just see him taking the Spezza route and retire a Leaf
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Then you need to find a team with 11 million in cap room, that he would waive too, and a bottom feeder isn’t likely it.
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i get it, and you may be right,
but Spezza was turning 39 when he retired,
JT will be turning 35 when his Leafs deal ends
lotta top guys move around a bit late career - Thornton, Perry, Messier, etc
anyway, yep, you may be right,
but if re-signing with Leafs is protracted, a team may offer a desirable 3rd act
