Proposal: Tampa - Montreal

Kraken Jokes · Jul 17, 2016

Brian Flynn (.950M, 1 year)
2017 3rd round pick

:bolts

Brian Boyle (2M, 1 year)

Tampa has quite a few RFAs to sign and a slim budget to do so, Montreal needs some size up front. Montreal cannot afford to take on the 2M outright or add Boyle without having to waive someone else, hence Flynn.

tjs* · Jul 17, 2016

Tickarski said:
Brian Flynn (.950M, 1 year)
2017 3rd round pick

Brian Boyle (2M, 1 year)

Tampa has quite a few RFAs to sign and a slim budget to do so, Montreal needs some size up front. Montreal cannot afford to take on the 2M outright or add Boyle without having to waive someone else, hence Flynn.

No thank you. Things are going to be tight this year but we will probably still be able to fit everybody under the cap and if it turns out we can't there are higher priorities to move for space than Boyle. We're in desperate need of size as well and Boyle is one of our better secondary scorers, one of our only truly physical players, and is even an emergency defenseman on occasion. I don't know if we'll resign him next summer but for now I think he stays unless things really get crazy with Lucherov's contract demands and Killorn's and Namestnikov's arbitration.

CupsOverCash · Jul 17, 2016

Want to keep Boyle. Possibly even next season when he's a UFA. Love his game.

tjs* · Jul 17, 2016

Lucherov is obviously the Mexican wrestling alter ego of Kucherov.

tjs* · Jul 17, 2016

CupsOverCash said:
Want to keep Boyle. Possibly even next season when he's a UFA. Love his game.

I'd like to as well; I'm just not sure we'll be able to capwise and while it's against Cooper's ethos I could see us potentially going to more of an offensive fourth line with Point at center, both for the cap savings and to give guys like Point and Erne a spot in the lineup.

Everblades13 · Jul 17, 2016

tjs said:
I'd like to as well; I'm just not sure we'll be able to capwise and while it's against Cooper's ethos I could see us potentially going to more of an offensive fourth line with Point at center, both for the cap savings and to give guys like Point and Erne a spot in the lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing Point in the lineup, but I think they would probably like to give him a year in Syracuse first.

izzy · Jul 17, 2016

Tampa should keep Boyle if he doesn't want an outrageous amount of money when he's going to UFA

Everblades13 · Jul 17, 2016

fst6 said:
Tampa should keep Boyle if he doesn't want an outrageous amount of money when he's going to UFA

Agreed, he was invaluable.

tjs* · Jul 17, 2016

Everblades13 said:
I wouldn't mind seeing Point in the lineup, but I think they would probably like to give him a year in Syracuse first.

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear: I was talking about 2017 being when we might see Point and Erne on the fourth line.

Everblades13 · Jul 17, 2016

tjs said:
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear: I was talking about 2017 being when we might see Point and Erne on the fourth line.

Oh alright, then yeah definitely. I would for sure be down with that.

RatedR · Jul 17, 2016

Boyle's on a very good contract for what he brings to the team. It would take a lot to trade him for the flexibility and grit he brings especially to a team in our conference and have been rivals with for the past few seasons

Bourne Endeavor · Jul 17, 2016

Flynn is a 13th forward. So this basically amounts to a 3rd for Boyle, who is worth much more than that.

crazyd · Jul 17, 2016

Nathan Beaulieu for Boyle? or Mitchell + DeLaRose?

Nevins · Jul 17, 2016

crazyd said:
Nathan Beaulieu for Boyle? or Mitchell + DeLaRose?

Beaulieu has more value than Boyle.

crazyd · Jul 17, 2016

crazyd said:
Nathan Beaulieu for Boyle? or Mitchell + DeLaRose?

Nevins said:
Beaulieu has more value than Boyle.

In a trade there is two parameters: Value & Need

Both parameters are not necessarily equal and do not equate the same from the point of view of each trade partner.

So sometimes even if the value seems disproportionate, the need - hopefully - will balance things out.

Needs can outweigh Value, and vice-versa.

euhchepas · Jul 17, 2016

crazyd said:
Nathan Beaulieu for Boyle? or Mitchell + DeLaRose?

Sure we'll trade you a young top 4 defenseman for a 3rd line center who's over 30

no interest in Boyle at all

Treb · Jul 17, 2016

crazyd said:
In a trade there is two parameters: Value & Need

Both parameters are not necessarily equal and do not equate the same from the point of view of each trade partner.

So sometimes even if the value seems disproportionate, the need - hopefully - will balance things out.

Needs can outweigh Value, and vice-versa.

Except we don't need Boyle as we already have a billion bottom 6 player. I'd love to replace DD with him on our 3rd line though.

Trading Beaulieu leaves our LD depth as:

Markov
Emelin
Barberio
Samuelsson
Hanley
Parisi

:damnpc:

Not a move we should do. Mitchell+DLR would be expensive but may be worth it.

Kraken Jokes · Jul 17, 2016

I wouldn't trade Beaulieu for Boyle. Mitchell for Boyle doesn't do much for their cap situation, and we couldn't afford to retain. The only thing that would work is something around Flynn for Boyle. But it only works if they really need the cap space. I'd be willing to upgrade the 3rd to a 2nd and add a conditional pick if we resign him since Boyle is the better player.

Maukkis · Jul 17, 2016

crazyd said:
In a trade there is two parameters: Value & Need

Both parameters are not necessarily equal and do not equate the same from the point of view of each trade partner.

So sometimes even if the value seems disproportionate, the need - hopefully - will balance things out.

Needs can outweigh Value, and vice-versa.

I beg this post gets its own thread and that thread gets stickied. Literally.

Westcoasthabsfan · Jul 17, 2016

Tickarski said:
Brian Flynn (.950M, 1 year)
2017 3rd round pick

Brian Boyle (2M, 1 year)

Tampa has quite a few RFAs to sign and a slim budget to do so, Montreal needs some size up front. Montreal cannot afford to take on the 2M outright or add Boyle without having to waive someone else, hence Flynn.

Really you think Boyle is worth a roster player plus a draft pick.....LOL

Kraken Jokes · Jul 17, 2016

Westcoasthabsfan said:
Really you think Boyle is worth a roster player plus a draft pick.....LOL

Yes, and so does everyone else. In fact most think this offer is not enough. Ever think that maybe it's your judgement that's laughable?

SB84 · Jul 17, 2016

Westcoasthabsfan said:
Really you think Boyle is worth a roster player plus a draft pick.....LOL

I see you are using the term "roster player' loosely. Boyle is much more valuable and useful than Flynn

PaulGG · Jul 17, 2016

Easy no from Tampa. We are all in for another run and trading starters for prospects/picks doesn't help us.

Kraken Jokes · Jul 17, 2016

PaulGG said:
Easy no from Tampa. We are all in for another run and trading starters for prospects/picks doesn't help us.

Flynn is a solid player, he'd contribute to your roster for sure but he's not Boyle, I agree. I understand that Tampa is all in this year but with a limited budget, you may have to make some tough decisions.

LTIR Trickery · Jul 17, 2016

This just feels like doing a deal for the sake of doing a deal.

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