For Chicago it was Kane and Toews @ around $6M, winning 2 cups, then getting paid and still winning one more cup at $10.5M. Leafs overpaid their guys before they even won anything.
Speculation: Taking less to win a cup
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I’m pretty sure the number 8.7 and the long term were why he signed at that AAV, and not “signing really cheap to try to win a cup.”
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Any veteran taking a low contract on a top 8 team is because they want yo win it.
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I think the original point stands.
I been a very long time since signing with the leafs could be considered "trying" to win a cup.
His contract was a bargain but I don't think it was a discount or meant to be one.
I think the only time a player would take less is for more term or if he's nearing the end.
Players are part of a union and a represented by agents that get paid a commission, taking less could impact what another union member might get.
There was an article awhile back that talked about this and just how much it's frowned upon.
There's also the fact that everytime us fans or media see a player sign for less than expected, it's just assumed it was purposely done.
Your point is a perfect example of as well for why they wouldn't take less but it also leads to how a player clearly winning the contract battle would affect other players.
Seth Jones and then Nurse set a precident in which now 9 million can be a benchmark for future deals and not just for superstars.
Not saying they dramatically shifted the market but we have seen teams saying away from bridge deals and going from ELC to max term a lot more especially on D and most seem to be around 8 million a number purposely done for the optics?
Robbitalle and Hull come to my mind buying themself a cup in Detroit
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Just going off memory but I seem to remember Joe Thornton waiting until the roster was filled out and then signing for what was left?
Sharks fans would know best but that's what I recall.
Sharks fans would know best but that's what I recall.
Chicago never won again once the big money extensions kicked in. They had signed the extensions but in 2014/15 they were still playing out the last year of their $6.3M deals.
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As a fan, I love seeing my teams good players take less to work with the cap and try to compete. I hate seeing guys leaving money on the table though, knowing that the owners of these teams are raking in skillions of dollars. Not that I want the owners in financial peril or anything, I just hate thinking that players make less than they should so they can have better teammates, and it's out of their own pocket instead of the owners. Especially with role players. I remember when Curtis Glencross took his last contract to be a "team guy", and it ended up being his last one, and he never got back what he gave up on that contract. It sucks seeing these hard working, grinding role players taking less than they should, even knowing they are making millions.
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That contract only accounts for 104.4 and if I recall he could have maxed out the 12.86 at the time and had that be 154.0 for that contract alone
Crosby's Spotrac
He's actually at 152.890 but he could be at 202.0
Never the less, what does him being the highest paid have to do with taking less?
Which he certainly did.
Friendly reminder that the Leafs currently have 4 of the top 12 AAV's in the league. LMAO
Crosby made, in real dollars, 86.4 m over the first 8 years of that deal
Averaged out that’s 10.8 m per year
The cap at the time of the extension was 60.3m
With today’s cap that’s the equivalent of a 15 million per year extension
Crosby signed a team friendly deal by exploiting the 3 cheater years at the end of the deal, but he was paid very handsomely in real dollars through his prime
didn't their new deals kick in the year after their final cup? I maybe remembering that wrong
A lot of players went to Detroit to do this.
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It was 64.3 dropped down from 70.2 in 2013/14 from the lockout season.
It doesn't matter what he got front loaded because the overall number that matters is 8.7. He still took less than he could have gotten which is maxed out at 12.86. That's 12.86 he could have gotten over the entire 12 years. 50.0 less divided by 12.
He took 4.166 less per. over the 12 years.
Edit: He took less for 17 years and it helped to get to 4 finals and 3 cups.
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This......................is well said.
So many GM's with buyers remorse these days........who gave Nurse that insane contract anyhow???
Anyhow, it's a huge challenge for all the GM's...............................10-12 years ago the Bruins did a great job ensuring years of being a good team by keeping everyone in check with their cap hits.
Then came MacAvoy and Pasta......lol
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well if we’re using cap max as a baseline then every player is taking a discount
Anyway just keeping things in perspective
8.7 cap hit extension signed before the 07-08 season (50.3 cap) is the equivalent of a 5 year 15.2 m per year deal today (88m)
Hardly a team friendly deal, best player in a generation or not
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This. Half of the contracts fits in description, thread should have been players who actually won the cup after discount.
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I think Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner have taught us what is means ti be insanely greedy.
Crosby could have signed for 10.5 on a 5 year deal in 2013 (15M equivalent per your calc) and then tried to get paid again on a 4 year or 5 year deal
Crosby was paid fairly but he also locked in for 12 years and understood with the rising cap his AAV at 8.7 would be a steal by at the end of his deal if he held well to his late 30s (still a top 12ish player and easily worth 8.7M, though pens mostly fallen off so he is wasted)
Crosby if he was chasing every pens signs 10-11M on a 4-6 year term deal like we saw Matthews and Marner do
It may or may not be arguable but Burrows 4 years @ 2 was a major catalyst in the depth the Canucks had to be those president winning dominant teams.
He signed it off the back of 28 goals and being known as a heart and soul guy, so definitely took a paycut, but at the same time it was a bit of a gamble both ways as he did it playing with the Sedins. Luckily he clicked as their greatest linemate ever (my kingdom for a legit 1st liner for them) and the contract was one of the steals of franchise history
He signed it off the back of 28 goals and being known as a heart and soul guy, so definitely took a paycut, but at the same time it was a bit of a gamble both ways as he did it playing with the Sedins. Luckily he clicked as their greatest linemate ever (my kingdom for a legit 1st liner for them) and the contract was one of the steals of franchise history
