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chosen said:
A lot of you must be happy about the Strome injury.

The usual bashers of the Rangers are in hiding, although one has changed his tune.

The Gallant bashers have no idea what to do, now.
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I could want Strome to play without wanting Strome to get re-signed.
 
Black Tank said:
A lot of posters owe Drury a f***ing apology. Starting with Gallant and the roster moves, this team is SIGNIFCANTLY better than it was a year ago. And we haven't given up a single key asset or 1st round pick. We still have enough to make one or two more HUGE moves. What an amazing job by Drury and company.
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100% correct. You also have to consider that Drury's unpopular Buchnevich move could have worked out better if Blais were healthy too, leading to even less asset loss in the form of 2nd and 4th round draft picks this TDL.

And the cap space he left free this year gave a ton of wiggle room at the TDL to do something big (and stupid) - and he didn't.

Everything he's done has been completely reasonable. Almost boring in a sense. But that's good. He's keeping his biggest assets for the trades that matter, and the playoffs are going to tell him volumes about what moves to make during the offseason.

He's taken action as needed (unlike Gorton last year who sat back while the team got beat up) but exercised a ton of restraint in not overdoing it.
 
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Peltz said:
I could want Strome to play without wanting Strome to get re-signed.
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If this team wants to become successful, I think even for how great Strome can be with Panarin, he has to go. His style isn't playoff enough. Or, the more probable hypothesis, Panarin changed Strome's game. I can't even remember how Strome played pre-Panarin. I guess I have nothing, but I do have I think this is Panarin's making, he wants pond hockey. He played with Pat Kane as a rookie.

Anyhow, whoever Panarin is suited up with, he will adapt. He's that good. Even though I think Panarin is awesome and one of the absolute best UFAs NYR has ever paid for (he's filthy good), I still sulk we could've had Zuke and Buch for the same price. More impact, you know?
 
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Strome's legacy with the Rangers is going to be a lot like Michal Rozsivals.

A guy who came in with zero expectations, did an excellent job filling a very important role for many seasons, but eventually was deemed not worth the cost investment any more as better fitting options became available.

That said having him around in the playoffs this year will be a solid self-rent, even though I hate that term.
 
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Can you imagine if there was an HFNYR Spotlight Cam? And first spotlight selection was puckluck?
 
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Peltz said:
100% correct. You also have to consider that Drury's unpopular Buchnevich move could have worked out better if Blais were healthy too, leading to even less asset loss in the form of 2nd and 4th round draft picks this TDL.

And the cap space he left free this year gave a ton of wiggle room at the TDL to do something big (and stupid) - and he didn't.

Everything he's done has been completely reasonable. Almost boring in a sense. But that's good. He's keeping his biggest assets for the trades that matter, and the playoffs are going to tell him volumes about what moves to make during the offseason.

He's taken action as needed (unlike Gorton last year who sat back while the team got beat up) but exercised a ton of restraint in not overdoing it.
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The thing with the Buchnevich trade (and this is why I've never been that mad at it) is you have to keep in mind what the market for a player is.

There are a couple of ways you can make a bad trade. For one, you could misjudge the pieces coming back. The value for the McDonagh trade was good - a roster player, two prospects, and picks. The problem is that the prospects we targeted were no good. We reportedly really pushed for Hajek, even added for him, and he was a bum. Or you can misjudge the market. Maybe you hold onto a player too long or trade him too soon, or you just don't get back what you expected and you're left holding the bag.

What definitely did not happen is we had a much more valuable offer on the table and Drury just said "no thanks." Nobody would do that.

Evidently, the value for Buchnevich was a 2nd and a middle six forward because that's what he got. You could argue we should have traded him sooner or just signed him. You could argue it would be a better trade if it was a different middle six forward instead of Blais. Those are valid positions to take, but Buchnevich returned his value. A player's value is whatever other front offices are willing to give and nothing else.

It's ok to be frustrated by his valuation. It's an assessment I certainly disagree with, but there's nothing Drury can do about that.
 
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AKrangerfan said:
I didn't notice. Seemed like a normal broadcast to me. At least it did not have the "spotlight cam". That ruined it for me.
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It came up in our GDT a couple of times. Usually MSG tries to save on broadcast production so with them handling the Sabres, we get the video side of the Rangers, Islanders and Devils.
 
Machinehead said:
The thing with the Buchnevich trade (and this is why I've never been that mad at it) is you have to keep in mind what the market for a player is.

There are a couple of ways you can make a bad trade. For one, you could misjudge the pieces coming back. The value for the McDonagh trade was good - a roster player, two prospects, and picks. The problem is that the prospects we targeted were no good. We reportedly really pushed for Hajek, even added for him, and he was a bum. Or you can misjudge the market. Maybe you hold onto a player too long or trade him too soon, or you just don't get back what you expected and you're left holding the bag.

What definitely did not happen is we had a much more valuable offer on the table and Drury just said "no thanks." Nobody would do that.

Evidently, the value for Buchnevich was a 2nd and a middle six forward because that's what he got. You could argue we should have traded him sooner or just signed him. You could argue it would be a better trade if it was a different middle six forward instead of Blais. Those are valid positions to take, but Buchnevich returned his value. A player's value is whatever other front offices are willing to give and nothing else.

It's ok to be frustrated by his valuation. It's an assessment I certainly disagree with, but there's nothing Drury can do about that.
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Edge said there was an offer for a center prospect and a 1 for Buchnevich. I forget the prospect's name, I think it starts with a k.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Edge said there was an offer for a center prospect and a 1 for Buchnevich. I forget the prospect's name, I think it starts with a k.
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Kupari and a first. And I don't know why it would be such a long-shot to believe that a team which did nothing but eschew skill and sign toughness all offseason would prefer a tough middle six kid over a longer term more skilled center. That's not hard to believe in the slightest given the context of the rest of the offseason.

I mean, no one would believe that you'd risk a top 6 RW prospect for a crap defenseman like Hajek either, but it happened. So maybe we did turn down a better offer for Buch.

When it's baseless speculation, that's one thing, when a vetted insider reports it, it's another.
 
mas0764 said:
Kupari and a first. And I don't know why it would be such a long-shot to believe that a team which did nothing but eschew skill and sign toughness all offseason would prefer a tough middle six kid over a longer term more skilled center. That's not hard to believe in the slightest given the context of the rest of the offseason.

I mean, no one would believe that you'd risk a top 6 RW prospect for a crap defenseman like Hajek either, but it happened. So maybe we did turn down a better offer for Buch.

When it's baseless speculation, that's one thing, when a vetted insider reports it, it's another.
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I'm sure the fanbase would be jumping for joy at the trade if we got Rasmus Kupari for Buchnevich :rolleyes:
 
this team is absolutely night and day at ES compared to before the deadline. All 4 lines have speed and skill with no AHL plugs in sight. Still really not comfortable with the bottom pair, particularly Nemeth, but it's really hard to not be impressed with their efforts lately.
 
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Before I get into it- I was driving and had my phone playing the game so I was listening. I got a phone call just as it reached ot. I accepted as I did not want my girlfriend to castrate me because I was running late. I hang up the phone literally a minute or two later and the game goes to the 3rd star. I PULLED OVER to the shoulder, frantically replaying the ot goal to see who it was. G'DAMN what a goal.

This is depth guys. This is why people have been saying nyr are close to being a contender or at the very least a playoff contender. Obviously, we will see who has a good playoff performance. I have a feeling pens are going to lose because of jarry, but I dont want to jinx anything, so thats my prayer.

Laf got taken off the top line and I have to admit, I was pretty surprised. He was scoring and everything but the line did look stale so I thought he would let them work it out. Good move by gallant. He unleashed laf because he sees he can start driving his own line. He was kind of earlier but he wasnt moving his feet as much and more so puck watching. Now that he is moving his feet more, he kind of looks pretty fast. He has good puck control and a crazy shot. His vision also seems to be developing. Gallant, I will not question you on that.

One thing I love is how freaking radically different the board looks after a win versus a loss. Obviously there are the people who we should probably mute, but I welcome everyone's opinion, no matter how bloody (see what i did there) stupid it is.

Our weak link is nemeth and back up goalie now. For a team to only have those weak links is great. Geo wont play in playoffs at all (if igor is healthy) and nemeth can be benched for braun. I know braun doesnt love the left side but who knows? Maybe he can take over. We just need him to be an above replacement level player.

Id love to point out our underlying metrics have been going up since the tdl as well as our shots. We actually have players who dont shoot it wide every shift, run, do a little skate, shoot again and miss again. Rinse repeat. I love this team now. Lets go do damage!
 
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McRanger92 said:
Many refused to give him a chance after the first move he had to make was one that was going to be seen as a massive loss by the fanbase regardless of what the return was. The majority of his moves have been good and he and Gallant have their finger on the pulse of the team. The Buch trade and the Nemeth signing are exceptions to a pretty solid resume through 12 months.
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The Buch trade was horrendous. I understand we were taken advantage of because of cap issues. But there are 31 other teams in the league and Buch is basically a ppg player. I find it difficult to believe it was impossible to make another team to come up with a better offer.

Nonetheless, since that trade, Drury has been doing a great job. Very happy that my expectations from last summer were not fulfilled.
 
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