GDT: Switzerland Vs Germany | 12/30 @ 6PM | TSN/NHLN

[snowkiddin]

With such a dominant WJC thus far, how can you blame them. He was averaging 25 minutes before this game too... lol--unprecedented.

Yes, I can blame them.

 

[snipes]

Yep, Germany’s star players showed up while Swiss really didn’t have any star players.
So so so well deserved for Germany to make the quarterfinals for the first time ever.

German hockey is on the rise. Realistically no reason they shouldn’t be a good hockey country.

They’re pretty clearly now a mid-major hockey power right now especially as these guys get older. Draisaitl already is a top 3 forward in the world and reigning NHL MVP. Stutzle, Seider, Peterka, Riechel, and possibly Elias are good players that should pan out and even a guy like Kahun is a legit player. Add Bokk and some others I’m likely missing into the mix as well.

They have some serious talent to compete consistently with Slovakia and Switzerland as a mid-major hockey power for those 6-8 rankings year over year at the senior and junior level. Even the Czechs should be on the look out for the Germany in the future pushing up the rankings.

 

[gstommylee]

What was the cross check and game penalty against germany in regards off. Crosscheck on the boards?

 

[Lambo]

German hockey is on the rise. Realistically no reason they shouldn’t be a good hockey country.

They’re pretty clearly now a mid-major hockey power right now especially as these guys get older. Draisaitl already is a top 3 forward in the world and reigning NHL MVP. Stutzle, Seider, Peterka, Riechel, and possibly Elias are good players that should pan out and even a guy like Kahun is a legit player. Add Bokk and some others I’m likely missing into the mix as well.

They have some serious talent to compete consistently with Slovakia and Switzerland as a mid-major hockey power for those 6-8 rankings year over year at the senior and junior level. Even the Czechs should be on the look out for the Germany in the future pushing up the rankings.

Yeah but Germany must constant produce talents year by year. This is difficult! The Czechs have much more Drafts every year. Seider, Reichel, JJP, Elias must to enforce in NHL in some years. The lack of depth w ll continue to exsist.

 

[Hinterland]

Imagine losing a game 4-5 with your 1D playing just 16:39, your 3D 08:36, your 1C 16:31, your nr.2 winger 10:02, your nr.3 winger 10:21 and your nr.4 winger 05:49

You think that's impossible and would never happen anywhere? Well, nothing is impossible in Switzerland right now

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Now imagine Stutzle and Draisaitl on one line

They shouldn't have them on the same line when they play their next international competition. Have them each carry a line. It'll spread out the scoring more. Both players with wingers like Reichel, Peterka, Kahun, Elias type of players can have two effective top six lines. If you stack them on the same line, you are then relying on guys who still might not be more better than marginal NHL'ers to provide the secondary scoring. Those two star players can make sure there's secondary scoring if you put them on their own lines.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Don’t want Sweden to face Germany in the quarters. Would be scary. They could upset one of Sweden/Russia/USA.

I really don't think so. How many goals did Canada score against them? Yes, they might've been a little tired, but except for 3-4 players, they are about as bad as the average player on the normal worst team in the tournament.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

A lot of european scout people had Raymond ahead of Stutzle for draft...it's interesting

I had Stuetzle one spot ahead, but didn't Raymond have 10 shots yesterday and the second highest xP1 of the tournament so far? Raymond's been good so far, as well.

 

[Hinterland]

I really don't think so. How many goals did Canada score against them? Yes, they might've been a little tired, but except for 3-4 players, they are about as bad as the average player on the normal worst team in the tournament.

I agree. The Slovaks are dangerous though. At least as dangerous as Finnland, in my view. Terribly inconsistent so far but they played Canada and Switzerland really hard. On a good day they're dangerous, especially since Latkoczy has been outstanding so far.

 

[Oilslick941611]

With such a dominant WJC thus far, how can you blame them. He was averaging 25 minutes before this game too... lol--unprecedented.

how much of that ice time was because of dressing 14 players for 3 games? genuine question.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Imagine this German junior team with Seider and Reichel

That team would've been similar to the Czech team that had Chytil, Necas, Zadina, Kaut. They only lost one group game 3-1 against Sweden, including a win against Russia. They beat Finland in the QF's, and got fourth place after big defeats against Canada and USA in the next two games. I think that team had a few more NHL prospects than this German team would've had, so maybe they don't get fourth place, but I think Germany with those two players would've at least been some type of threat to win a QF game.

 

[Hinterland]

how much of that ice time was because of dressing 14 players for 3 games? genuine question.

Not much. He played almost 25mins today with 12 forwards in the lineup. Most of them hardly ever touched the puck. 5 of them with 0 shots on goal, all vs a very bad Swiss team. Tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

German hockey is on the rise. Realistically no reason they shouldn’t be a good hockey country.

They’re pretty clearly now a mid-major hockey power right now especially as these guys get older. Draisaitl already is a top 3 forward in the world and reigning NHL MVP. Stutzle, Seider, Peterka, Riechel, and possibly Elias are good players that should pan out and even a guy like Kahun is a legit player. Add Bokk and some others I’m likely missing into the mix as well.

They have some serious talent to compete consistently with Slovakia and Switzerland as a mid-major hockey power for those 6-8 rankings year over year at the senior and junior level. Even the Czechs should be on the look out for the Germany in the future pushing up the rankings.

From what I've read it sounds like their 2021 draft is not going to yield much while 2022 should have 2-3 notable guys but nothing on the level of Drai/Seider/Stutzle, probably Bokk/Reichel/Peterka late 1st-2nd round types.

I've also read that arena access is a big issue that prevents a lot of potential young players from even being able to play in the first place. The success of Draisaitl and hopefully Seider and Stutzle should lead to more interest in the sport and more rink investment, leagues, players, etc.

 

[PatrickEaves]

They shouldn't have them on the same line when they play their next international competition. Have them each carry a line. It'll spread out the scoring more. Both players with wingers like Reichel, Peterka, Kahun, Elias type of players can have two effective top six lines. If you stack them on the same line, you are then relying on guys who still might not be more better than marginal NHL'ers to provide the secondary scoring. Those two star players can make sure there's secondary scoring if you put them on their own lines.

So far, this German team has been one line carrying some dudes and a bunch of shooter tutors, and it's been working.

 

[kabidjan18]

One line is all you ever need. You get one line of pros from each team, and you'll have yourself a full senior team with depth. U20 teams dont need to be deep. You produce one good line a year with consistency, you'll get yourself a team that can compete in a few years.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

how much of that ice time was because of dressing 14 players for 3 games? genuine question.

Well, that's my point. Shorthanded players or not, he is still producing and playing insane hockey while playing insane minutes. Special, special player.

 

[karhukissa]

One line is all you ever need. You get one line of pros from each team, and you'll have yourself a full senior team with depth. U20 teams dont need to be deep. You produce one good line a year with consistency, you'll get yourself a team that can compete in a few years.

Well that's the problem, there are few gems popping out from time to time but average German hockey player is miles behind Canadian, Finnish, Swedish and even Czech, for now.

Sure, if they manage to develop Stutzle's every other year but that's not going to happen. Also you need good d-men and goalies aswell. But i think Germany will be a potential threath in the future to any team, great job they are doing.

 

[kabidjan18]

Well that's the problem, there are few gems popping out from time to time but average German hockey player is miles behind Canadian, Finnish, Swedish and even Czech, for now.

Sure, if they manage to develop Stutzle's every other year but that's not going to happen. Also you need good d-men and goalies aswell. But i think Germany will be a potential threath in the future to any team, great job they are doing.

Well, they've had 3 1st round picks in a row. They've produced a number of NHL players. They have arguably the best hockey player in the world. They've drafted players in 7 years in a row. Like I think you, and others, are underestimating the consistency of their project. It's not just "Stutzle", they have a massive gauntlet of highly drafted talented. 5 players taken in the top 2 rounds in the last 3 years. The Czechs have 3. The average player doesnt really matter. You just need 23 good players. And they have more talent coming.

And this is not me saying that they are matching Canada or something. But I think...please acknowledge the context of my first post right, we're in a thread between germany and Switzerland where the swiss are arguing that their superior WJC depth makes them better. I'm arguing no. It's better to have a few standouts each year than to have a team with a lot of depth but no players who will be solid pros.

 

[karhukissa]

Well, they've had 3 1st round picks in a row. They've produced a number of NHL players. They have arguably the best hockey player in the world. They've drafted players in 7 years in a row. Like I think you, and others, are underestimating the consistency of their project. It's not just "Stutzle", they have a massive gauntlet of highly drafted talented. 5 players taken in the top 2 rounds in the last 3 years. The Czechs have 3. The average player doesnt really matter. You just need 23 good players. And they have more talent coming.

And this is not me saying that they are matching Canada or something. But I think...please acknowledge the context of my first post right, we're in a thread between germany and Switzerland where the swiss are arguing that their superior WJC depth makes them better. I'm arguing no. It's better to have a few standouts each year than to have a team with a lot of depth but no players who will be solid pros.

I mean i agree with you for the most part. I've said few times in German prospects topic that Germany will surpass Czechs at some point, atleast i believe so.

And we are living somewhat golden age of German prospects right now, but we need to get back to this in a few years. Stutzle will be a great player in the NHL and i believe Seider aswell. But we have to see whether these Bokk's/Peterka's etc. will be good players in the NHL, it's still a long way from an elite prospect to NHL level player. Here's where wide prospect pool comes in handy, if Peterka and Bokk for example doesn't become as good as they're expected it's a huge hit.

 

[Huusko]

I think the Red Bull project is fantastic for each countries, Germany and Austria. There might be some more players to come from that youth program such as Julian Lutz, who is scoring as a 2004 born prospect in the highest Austrian league IceHL. Sadly, Filip Varejcka couldn't make the U-20 team:

Filip Varejcka at eliteprospects.com

Philip Feist, the Heigl brothers and Danjo Leonhardt are some more prospects coming from that Redbull project:

Philip Feist at eliteprospects.com
Nicolaus Heigl at eliteprospects.com
Thomas Heigl at eliteprospects.com
Danjo Leonhardt at eliteprospects.com

 

[OcAirlines]

I think people who see Draisaitl, Stützle, Seider etc. coming through the ranks seem to take those talents as a sign of a hockey hype in Germany which in my experience simply isn't there. Yes, development opportunities at the highest level have gotten better in recent years but the sport isn't really broadening it's appeal or forcing its way into the publics eye much aside from the occasional tournament where we do well - which does not include this WJC because nobody who isn't already a big hockey fan even know that this tournament is going on right now and even most sports fans have only recently heard about Draisaitl and won't know the likes of Stützle or Seider at all.

More importantly, as far as I know there is no significant investment in ice rinks or other entry level facilities to get more kids into the sport, player numbers haven't been rising much if at all and on top of that, ice hockey has to compete with so many other hockey variations around here which all have certain advantages over it - field and indoor hockey with it's bigger tradition, Floorball as the newest and easiest variety coming here from Scandinavia, Inline hockey and other variations that are basically ice hockey where you don't need a rink... And basically all those hockey variants are both cheaper, more accessible and carry a lower risk of injury than ice hockey. So even if you have a kid here who is interested in the sport of hockey in general, it will be quite hard to even guide him in the on-ice direction unless he comes from one of the few Eishockey-hotbeds in the country.

It's good to see that we have managed to develop top-end talent on a much more consistent basis in recent years (although keep in mind, none of them aside from Leon have really established themselves as NHL-players yet), but I'm not holding my breath yet when it comes to competing against other mid-tier nations at the senior level for which ice hockey play a much bigger role, even if those countries are smaller.

 

[GermanNuck]

I think people who see Draisaitl, Stützle, Seider etc. coming through the ranks seem to take those talents as a sign of a hockey hype in Germany which in my experience simply isn't there. Yes, development opportunities at the highest level have gotten better in recent years but the sport isn't really broadening it's appeal or forcing its way into the publics eye much aside from the occasional tournament where we do well - which does not include this WJC because nobody who isn't already a big hockey fan even know that this tournament is going on right now and even most sports fans have only recently heard about Draisaitl and won't know the likes of Stützle or Seider at all.

More importantly, as far as I know there is no significant investment in ice rinks or other entry level facilities to get more kids into the sport, player numbers haven't been rising much if at all and on top of that, ice hockey has to compete with so many other hockey variations around here which all have certain advantages over it - field and indoor hockey with it's bigger tradition, Floorball as the newest and easiest variety coming here from Scandinavia, Inline hockey and other variations that are basically ice hockey where you don't need a rink... And basically all those hockey variants are both cheaper, more accessible and carry a lower risk of injury than ice hockey. So even if you have a kid here who is interested in the sport of hockey in general, it will be quite hard to even guide him in the on-ice direction unless he comes from one of the few Eishockey-hotbeds in the country.

It's good to see that we have managed to develop top-end talent on a much more consistent basis in recent years (although keep in mind, none of them aside from Leon have really established themselves as NHL-players yet), but I'm not holding my breath yet when it comes to competing against other mid-tier nations at the senior level for which ice hockey play a much bigger role, even if those countries are smaller.

I’m with you on rinks, we seriously need to invest there and a lot of them are struggling even more now with covid. But the number of active players is rising by roughly 10% overall (last three years on average) and 20% in the U12 teams. That’s more than I actually expected and the 2026 youth program seems to work out quite well.

 

[Daeni10]

Not much. He played almost 25mins today with 12 forwards in the lineup. Most of them hardly ever touched the puck. 5 of them with 0 shots on goal, all vs a very bad Swiss team. Tells you everything you need to know.

Obviously they are not close to Stützle and the best Players in the tournament. Germany has low level depth, however the guys left their hotel rooms for the first time in 16 days yesterday, so they were not getting much ice time regardless

 

[Auston Marlander]

Well, that's my point. Shorthanded players or not, he is still producing and playing insane hockey while playing insane minutes. Special, special player.

He has been great, but this is the exact reason we have /60 stats. Sometimes you get way more overtime, in this case due to many players being out. I have no doubt he would be near the top, but it's clear his x/p1 would drop as players come back.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

The artistry of this goal from the dangle, to the pivot, to the protection, to the way his skate blades carve the ice to cut across the crease is soooooooo beautiful. And it sounds so perfect in German!

Even if it's massively offside lol.