TSN: Sweeney praised by other GMs for work on TDL day

[LJReborn]

It would be difficult for the next guy to be worse, but it is possible-especially with Neely still there.

Next guy isn't exactly walking into Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, Chara, Lucic, Krug and Hamilton.

 

[DKH]

I mean that was a line from an article/podcast saying he might be losing his job very shortly.

I read it and completely misleading

His contract is up in 25-26

People that want him out better root against the draft pick and losing next season

Then hoping the new guy is not going to say it’s going to take me 2-3 years to get rid of everyone and get my guys in

Oh and be amazing and do everything that we all rejoice at

One month ago today they were a meh 30-28-8 85 point pace but hardly the worstest record in hockey ~ they blew it up

But Bruins fans suffering has been a month with a couple of sunny days - Carolina & New Jersey

 

[Oates2Neely]

I have to be one of the biggest Sweeney detractors on this board- will never get over the 2015 draft or the 2016 deadline (where he held onto Eriksson and gave up four draft picks for Liles/Stempniak only to miss the f***ing playoffs). Even I can admit that he's done enough to bring at least one cup to Boston during his tenure.

2019 the Bruins were the better team and blew it. 2 goals allowed on 4 shots by Rask in first period of game 7. Marchand line change. The stuff of nightmares. 2023 he assembled an absolute wagon- I will likely never live to see a better Bruins roster. But the players choked to an unbelievable degree. IMO, the '23 Bruins choked harder than any collection of humans in the history of team sports, dating back to when this was the game of choice:

I disagree. Sweeney inherited a top 5 #1 goaltender Rask, a #1 D in Chara, and (2) top line centers in Bergeron & Krejci.

Bergeron was 30 years old when Sweeney was named GM. Krejci 29. This GM failed to fill the obvious upcoming void this team is now still dealing with (10 years later). They drafted Beecher, Frederic, and immediately marketed these kids as future 3C types. Numerous centers were traded in the past decade, and Sweeney never made a move on one.

Sweeney had his moments here, but overall his tenure was a disappointment for a Boston market team. His biggest failure wasn’t the 2015 draft, it was not having a plan to replace Bergeron & Krejci. He had a decade to do it. I won’t complain when the organization moves on from him.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I mean that was a line from an article/podcast saying he might be losing his job very shortly.

Yeah, that makes it true.

Oye

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Sweeney is not getting fired, he was bless by Charlie to do what he needed to do at the deadline. Like it or not it will be his rebuild.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Sweeney is not getting fired, he was bless by Charlie to do what he needed to do at the deadline. Like it or not it will be his rebuild.

It will. His second, although this one will be more difficult.

Sweeney did a really good job at the deadline, but that's only the first part. The next, and probably more important, is yet to come in the offseason. I think the next few months will define his legacy with the Bruins more than anything else.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I disagree. Sweeney inherited a top 5 #1 goaltender Rask, a #1 D in Chara, and (2) top line centers in Bergeron & Krejci.

Bergeron was 30 years old when Sweeney was named GM. Krejci 29. This GM failed to fill the obvious upcoming void this team is now still dealing with (10 years later). They drafted Beecher, Frederic, and immediately marketed these kids as future 3C types. Numerous centers were traded in the past decade, and Sweeney never made a move on one.

Sweeney had his moments here, but overall his tenure was a disappointment for a Boston market team. His biggest failure wasn’t the 2015 draft, it was not having a plan to replace Bergeron & Krejci. He had a decade to do it. I won’t complain when the organization moves on from him.

Additionally his pleasure in leaving Krejci and Debrusk with garbage for years as the second line. Costing a Cup in 2019 for example. He always seemed to do "enough" while relying on the players he inherited to drive the success.

Ironically then has the team on a historic run and perhaps does TOO much in adding Bertuzzi (who hurt as much as helped) for a 1st round pick, Hathaway and Orlov who were largely absent rather than the simpler in style Columbus defenseman... plenty to question year after year with Sweeney. More than his successes I maintain.

 

[LJReborn]

I read it and completely misleading

His contract is up in 25-26

People that want him out better root against the draft pick and losing next season

Then hoping the new guy is not going to say it’s going to take me 2-3 years to get rid of everyone and get my guys in

Oh and be amazing and do everything that we all rejoice at

One month ago today they were a meh 30-28-8 85 point pace but hardly the worstest record in hockey ~ they blew it up

But Bruins fans suffering has been a month with a couple of sunny days - Carolina & New Jersey

I wouldn't say suffering. I think they will extend him because little Jacobs clearly doesn't have play-off rounds won as a barometer of success. I don't think they will be good the next couple of years with or without him. One series win the last four seasons, with this one being a complete dumpster fire. It would be hard to immediately get on a new GM with this current group of players, they have been passed up by the entire division. I do really like what he did at the deadline to set him or whomever up with some good assets to use or deal to make the team better over the near term future.

 

[LJReborn]

Yeah, that makes it true.

Oye

Point being maybe people listened to the whole thing? He did have a great deadline, no? People seem to gloss over the fact they sucked though maybe?

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Point being maybe people listened to the whole thing? He did have a great deadline, no? People seem to gloss over the fact they sucked though maybe?

There is no point with throwing shit at the wall

 

[LJReborn]

There is no point with throwing shit at the wall

On a message board? Silly me.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

On a message board? Silly me.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[dredeye]

He did a good job imo. Now crush the draft and FA and we are back baby !!

Neither are remotely what he’s good at

 

[weaponomega]

One top 6 in 9 drafts, how does that make you feel about this draft confident.

Context is important. Sweeney traded away picks at the deadline for the opportunity to add for a deep playoff run. One is unlikely to find top 6 players when not picking until the third or fourth round.

 

[DKH]

Neither are remotely what he’s good at

lol the FA stork dropped off Geekie & Ullmark just to name two

There is a reason why National podcasts, publications, and NHL Network hosts openly mock and laugh at Bruins fans as entitled and delusional

Obviously not all but it’s pretty accurate if they do off those Athletic polls

 

[DKH]

I wouldn't say suffering. I think they will extend him because little Jacobs clearly doesn't have play-off rounds won as a barometer of success. I don't think they will be good the next couple of years with or without him. One series win the last four seasons, with this one being a complete dumpster fire. It would be hard to immediately get on a new GM with this current group of players, they have been passed up by the entire division. I do really like what he did at the deadline to set him or whomever up with some good assets to use or deal to make the team better over the near term future.

I’m going to do my State of the Bruins July 4

 

[LJReborn]

I’m going to do my State of the Bruins July 4

Gotta hope Swayman bounces back. Need two RD and two top six forwards including a top C. Draft will add some nice talent for the pipeline and July 1 should add as well

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

The only top 6 forward ever drafter by Sweeney was DeBrusk, no longer with the Bruins.

2024 Draft
Round Player
1 Dean Letourneau
4 Elliott Groenewold
5 Jonathan Morello
6 Loke Johansson

2023 Draft
Round Player
3 Chris Pelosi
4 Beckett Hendrickson
6 Ryan Walsh
7 Casper Nassen

2022 Draft
Round Player
2 Matthew Poitras 66G 6g 20a 26p
4 Cole Spicer
4 Dans Locmelis
5 Frederic Brunet
6 Reid Dyck
7 Jackson Edward

2021 Draft
Round Player
1 Fabian Lysell 10G 0g 1a 1p
3 Brett Harrison
4 Philip Svedeback
5 Oskar Jellvik
6 Ryan Mast
7 Andre Gasseau
7 Ty Gallagher

2020 Draft
Round Player
2 Mason Lohrei 116G 9g37a46p
3 Trevor Kuntar
5 Mason Langenbrunner
6 Riley Duran 1G 0g 0a 0p

2019 Draft
Round Player
1 John Beecher 130G 10g 11a 21p
3 Quinn Olson
5 Roman Bychkov
6 Matias Mantykivi
7 Jake Schmaltz

2018 Draft
Round Player
2 Axel Andersson
3 Jakub Lauko 137G 10g 16a 26p
4 Curtis Hall
6 Dustyn McFaul
7 Pavel Shen

2017 Draft
Round Player
1 Urho Vaakanainen 185G 3g 37a 40p
2 Jack Studnicka 107G 6g 10a 16p
4 Jeremy Swayman 189G
6 Cedric Pare
7 Victor Berglund
7 Daniel Bukac

2016 Draft
Round Player
1 Charlie McAvoy 504G 60g 240a 300p
1 Trent Frederic 338G 55g 54a 109p
2 Ryan Lindgren 405G 14g 88a 102p
5 Joona Koppanen 17G 1g 1a 2p
5 Cameron Clarke
6 Oskar Steen 60G 4g 4a 8p

2015 Draft
Round Player
1 Jakub Zboril 76G 1g 15a 16p
1 Jake DeBrusk 544G 164g 148a 312p
1 Zachary Senyshyn 16G 1g 2a 3p
2 Brandon Carlo 633G 29g 82a 111p
2 Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson 29G 3g 6a 9p
2 Jeremy Lauzon 316G 14g 31a 45p
3 Daniel Vladar 104G
4 Jesse Gabrielle
6 Cameron Hughes 2G 0g 0a 0p
7 Jack Becker

When it’s all in front of you like this you really have to wonder how this clown show is still employed.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Context is important. Sweeney traded away picks at the deadline for the opportunity to add for a deep playoff run. One is unlikely to find top 6 players when not picking until the third or fourth round.

He had 6 1st Round and 5 2nd Round picks in the 2015-2017 drafts. He has exactly
Zero top 6 F and 1 top 4D man on the roster from those 11 picks. Within those
6 1st Round picks Kyle Connor, Matt Barzal and Robert Thomas went immediately
after their picks. The 2024 pick has now shifted to a possible bust, so no way can you reasonably argue there aren't grounds for termination if you believe you can't let this guy keep drafting.

 

[Over the volcano]

Have you heard about the draft 10 years ago?!?!

 

[Bruin4]

Have you heard about the draft 10 years ago?!?!

10 years ago?
Why ?

 

[Ratty]

10 years ago?
Why ?

The now infamous 2015 draft.

 

[Over the volcano]

10 years ago?
Why ?

Apparently they missed out on Connor and Barzal! Shocking if true.

 

[elMatador]

When it’s all in front of you like this you really have to wonder how this clown show is still employed.

What has really killed the Bruins future is not drafting but multi-year signings of UFAs to huge contracts with all sorts of NMC/NTC however strange it seems.

If a high pick does not pan out, it has no further negative value for the team. However, a bad multi-year signing has a lot of negative value, the cap space gets wasted and locked in a junk player, it blocks signing any good player and it costs a steep price in giving up a high pick to get rid of a bad contract .

Backes $30m/5y
Belesky $19m/5y
Moore $13.75m/5y
Smith $9.3m/3y

All these guys were signed as UFAs by Sweeney. All were later packaged and dumped alongside 4 1st and 3 2nd picks. 7 high picks to flush down the drain is a lot.
If a team is out of high picks, it can't draft a top-end talent nor has any trade chips to trade for a top-end talent/prospect/ready player.

The bottom line is Sweeney has no clue of talent on any level. He has lucked out in just 2 UFA signings in Ullmark and Geekie and 2 draft picks with McAvoy falling to them and Swayman in the 4th round.
Also, it didn't help that Ullmark value was completely wasted on the 1st pick who can't score, a 4th liner and a $3m cap dump for 4 years with no compensation for that dump

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

What has really killed the Bruins future is not drafting but multi-year signings of UFAs to huge contracts with all sorts of NMC/NTC however strange it seems.

If a high pick does not pan out, it has no further negative value for the team. However, a bad multi-year signing has a lot of negative value, the cap space gets wasted and locked in a junk player, it blocks signing any good player and it costs a steep price in giving up a high pick to get rid of a bad contract .

Backes $30m/5y
Belesky $19m/5y
Moore $13.75m/5y
Smith $9.3m/3y

All these guys were signed as UFAs by Sweeney. All were later packaged and dumped alongside 4 1st and 3 2nd picks. 7 high picks to flush down the drain is a lot.
If a team is out of high picks, it can't draft a top-end talent nor has any trade chips to trade for a top-end talent/prospect/ready player.

The bottom line is Sweeney has no clue of talent on any level. He has lucked out in just 2 UFA signings in Ullmark and Geekie and 2 draft picks with McAvoy falling to them and Swayman in the 4th round.
Also, it didn't help that Ullmark value was completely wasted on the 1st pick who can't score, a 4th liner and a $3m cap dump for 4 years with no compensation for that dump

In no way, shape, or form did we pay to dump Moore or Smith. That’s revisionist history.

And look around - you can’t sign a UFA or any contract of your own over $3M without trade protection of some kind. It’s universal now. The only option would be to not sign any UFAs at all whatsoever.