Swayman Vs The Bruins

[gstommylee]

I doubt the Bruins win a ton without Swayman. If they start slow out of the gate how fast do they bow to his demands?

and screw themselves for the next 8 years especially when swayman plays terrible or their players start aging out and boston starts dropping in the standings.

 

[WhataKnight]

The thread title should be Neely vs the Bruins. Anyone with an average intellect would have signed Swayman before trading Ullmark. There are dolphins smarter than the non-deserving HHoFer Cam.

That’s the head-scratcher.

I’m not much against how the B’s are negotiating this circa now in a vacuum (especially considering Swayman’s agent), but unless Swayman/Gross explicitly stated that they wanted to negotiate this so far after last season, possibly expecting a Bobrovsky-level contract and the Ottawa trade was “now or never”, there’s no good reason to wait this long.

 

[Ben Grimm]

and screw themselves for the next 8 years especially when swayman plays terrible or their players start aging out and boston starts dropping in the standings.

Since you could say this about any player, that's an incredibly weak argument. Stay in school, kid.

 

[Mr Positive]

and screw themselves for the next 8 years especially when swayman plays terrible or their players start aging out and boston starts dropping in the standings.

Maybe him not signing right away can be the info both sides need to make the right decision. If things are rough, Swayman gets closer to his number. If the Bruins do fine with Korpisalo, then the team gets the leverage

 

[Bergyesque]

Ok sure, but what we're talking about wasn't that long ago.

Arbitration was last summer.

 

[JPT]

Arbitration was last summer.

Yes exactly. It wasn't that long ago.

 

[Bergyesque]

Yes exactly. It wasn't that long ago.

It's quite enought to refocus.
I can't believe that Swayman is still reeling from this.
There is something else.

 

[Lt Dan]

I choose the bruins. There is no way Swayman can beat up 23 people at once

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Hopefully Swayman gets Klingberged.

But I actually think the Bruins will meet his demands.

 

[WhataKnight]

The more I do math, the “less wrong” the Bruins look.

Bobrovsky’s last season, playing 58 games, he would have made $172,413.80 per start on his $10M contract.

That same amount at 44 games (Sway’s max) is $7,586,206.90. It doesn’t clear $8M until you get to 47 games…..which we haven’t seen.

As far as whether or not Swayman is correct in believing he’s worth forcing the Bruins into “cutting off a finger” like this, or if the Bruins are in the right as they draw a line in the sand and piss into it, both can be true.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Korpisalo was a fine regular season goalie in LA, very very good even

it was in the playoffs where his mental game fell apart and the oilers completely exposed him in three spots, you could tell he was practically guessing at some shots, it was pathetic

all that is to say i like his odds of holding down the fort in a manner that would make swayman sweat

 

[Efactor]

Do the math, at $8M this seaon he makes 9.1% of the team cap of $88M. He can probably live with that. If the cap as projected post-Covid goes up 5% per season. In eight years, the cap would be $124M. 9.1% of $124M is $11.285M. His ask of $10M per season is just to make sure over the whole contract he gets his 9%. Facts.

Whether or not you think he's worth 9% is another issue. But remember, when Bobrovsky signed his deal he got 12.3% of the $81.5M cap.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Swayman's numbers last season weren't even that good. Definitely not numbers of a $8M dollar goalie. His numbers the previous season were actually better when he played less games. Also Jim Montgomery's system Im sure help him look better.

2.53GAA

25W

10L

8T

1179

0.916SV%

Sorokin, Saros, Otter and Demko are all better than him and I don't recall any of these goalies making $8M+ a year.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I gotta be honest, I'm really not surprised that this player + this agent have decided to handle negotiations in this fashion and turn it into this much of a clusterF.

And I don't even like the Bruins.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Colorado offers Georgiev, Colton and a 1st. That may even be a slight overpayment.

 

[Linds]

Colorado offers Georgiev, Colton and a 1st. That may even be a slight overpayment.

The Avs should be all over Sway if he's available

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

The Avs should be all over Sway if he's available

Yup they should. Getting Swayman would address the teams biggest weakness and would instantly catapult them to the top as the favourites in the West.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

No Vezina
No playoff series win against a non-Leafs team
No full season of starts as the #1

Compared to Ullmark:

2021-22: Ullmark .917 Swayman .914
2022-23: Ullmark .938 Swayman .920
2023-24: Ullmark .915 Swayman .916

And that is with three seasons of Ullmark getting tougher starts than Swayman.

On what planet does that resume scream setting the market for goalie salary?

But, hey, Swayman keeps a list of "mean" things that are said about him. Maybe Cam needs to call him and apologize ala Billy Madison:

 

[gstommylee]

The Avs should be all over Sway if he's available

You think avs are gonna pay that much for a goalie given they have their own cap related stuff to deal with.

 

[Idunkmyoreos]

In the summer of 2023, the Bruins had a major issue with the cap due to the carryover of around $5 million for Bergeron and Krejci bonuses. This was seen as a one-year problem. To fill out the roster they had to sign several older players to contracts of $1 million or less. I do not remember the amount left, after those signings, somewhere around $4.5 million. Swayman needed a contract and was seeking in excess of the available money. So he filed for arbitration and the Bruins had to play hard ball to keep team intact, I believe it was the Bruins intention to make nice with Swayman in 2024 by electing a one-year award when they could have chosen two. Bruins have shown they pay market value while treating their players well and have had very few holdouts since cap was put in.

This year Bruins started low at $6.5at 4 years (probably not a good idea but is negotiating starting point). They have raised their offer to $7.8 for 8 years (confirmed by several sources). In his presser Neely rounded the 7,8 to 8 (a mistake) but the agent saying no offer was made and implying Neely lied definitely does not help. By the way this represents a 224% raise over last year.

Swayman and Gross stated at beginning he wanted McAvoy contract $9.5 at 8 9 (high negotiating starting point but okay), No indication they have adjusted their request. It appears they want a pound of flesh and damaging Bruins image (arbitration statements about Swayman and walking away from Krug negotiations that were going nowhere) rather than negotiating a fair deal.

 

[Score08]

I hope Swayman gets 10M OR the Bruins trade him and can't find another starting goalie for a decade while Sway goes on to become a top 3 goalie in the league winning multiple cups and throwing shade at the Bruins

And the leafs still won’t have won a cup in that entire time.

 

[Score08]

Yeah bro it takes a real genius to see that trading your other NHL goalie and leaving you with a cap dump/buyout candidate and AHL goalies is a bad idea while you're in the middle of your contending window and trying to sign your franchise goalie.

Who would've ever thought an NHL agent would feast on those circumstances?!

Bro you clearly have no grasp on any of the facts related to this situation. They weren’t keeping ullmark and swayman… never mind, it’s not worth explaining it.

 

[Bowski]

Two amazing goalies, what could go wrong?

Great to hear that Seabass got involved.
What a pillar of knowledge he is. Too bad Ulf didn't calcify his jaw.

 

[John Price]

Bruins need to re-sign him immediately. Without him they're nothing.

He's the best player keeping yinz afloat.

 

[Score08]

Im that guy who gets caught in the middle. Its my department and my friends I am the boss of, but only the higher ups can take the details to the board of directors and that's above my paygrade. I had no say. I just had to deal with the fallout from both sides and sit there while upper management tried to tell my department they were easily replaceable grunts.

Mind you hockey is totally different a union than what I do for a living. In hockey personal performance still dictates salary offers. But trust me when I say after negotiations, both sides resent each other a long time. Years.

So you’re saying your experience has absolutely zero bearing on this situation and felt the need to explain how your the guy. Got it.