Transfer: Summer Transfers and Rumors Discussion - Part III

[cheechoo]

Chelsea attacker links i've been seeing so far: Jonathan David (yuck), Darwin Nunez (yuck), Christopher Nkunku (yuck), Ousmane Dembélé (yum), Raheem Sterling (fine, but useless without a playmaker like Dembélé/Felix/Dybala coming along with him).

Gnabry and Sane are too world class elite young unhappy attackers and we're chasing the dross above.

Chelsea are going nowhere without a DOF.

This is a post of someone belligerently parading around about the state of their club?

Absolute freak behavior going on in this thread right now.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Grade A shit slinging here, love it.

From the wind-up merchant Chelsea homer to the daily Bundesliga victim complex PL whinge, big chef’s kiss.

Some of the board new blood though…they’re not sending their brightest.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Barcelona fans.

Who would you rather sell? (You cannot say neither )
Frenkie de Jong: €85M
Or
Gavi : €60M

I am curious.

 

[Chimaera]

To be fair, has the greater football internet class ever been the best?

 

[cgf]

Grade A shit slinging here, love it.

From the wind-up merchant Chelsea homer to the daily Bundesliga victim complex PL whinge, big chef’s kiss.

Some of the board new blood though…they’re not sending their brightest.

Thanks for reminding me. I almost forgot my responsibilities!

Why are EPL clubs so bad at scouting? Discuss.

 

[les Habs]

Yeah, but its Negotiation 101. "Oh, you're desperate for cash right now? Here's half of what you're asking for, take it or leave it"

Same reason why loan sharks charge twelvety billion percent. Same reason why Barca are trying to mortgage their future earnings for an immediate cash infusion.

You really need to bring yourself up to speed on what you’re talking about or you’ll keep coming off looking clueless. Assuming you get Frenkie, you won’t get any significant discount if at all a discount. The player yesterday publicly stated he wants to stay in Barcelona, something he’s stated multiple times, and that he grew up a supporter. He also wants to play in the Champions League, something United can’t offer next season and it’d be fair to question at this exact moment in time if they could even offer it next season. Also, while the club need cash, they’re not going to give him away much less for half price. They know what they have and they know how badly United both want and need him. Negotiation 102: “Oh, you’re desperate for a quality player midfielder right now? Your new manager really wants him and you’re going to struggle to get anyone comparable? Well we don’t need the money and the price just went up, so pay up or get the f*** out.”

As for mortgaging their future earnings, it’s a portion of their future earnings.

 

[Juve]

I hope he doesn't come back. I have to admit this is pretty funny.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

This is a post of someone belligerently parading around about the state of their club?

Absolute freak behavior going on in this thread right now.

I just find humorous disregarding N'Kunku and saying yum to Dembele or João Felix, both players that have been as inconsistent as any in the top European clubs.

Barcelona fans.

Who would you rather sell? (You cannot say neither )
Frenkie de Jong: €85M
Or
Gavi : €60M

I am curious.

This depends on the potential that one believes Gavi has.
I rate a lot his motor and he should still improve quite a bit.
Therefore I would rather sell FDJ

 

[Evilo]

I think most likely its PSG...Pogba wants to play back home in France when he still got it...

Veratti, Pogba, Parades in the middle...Evilos wet dream

Not really. Don't want Paredes, PSG would need someone like Tchouameni to go with Verratti. Pogba.. depends on which Pogba.

 

[cgf]

[…]

Though I fear this’ll ruin the fun of watching you get super defensive & leap to horribly wrong conclusions; it looks like I do have the time to share some info with you.


Let’s begin by making it clear that unlike all of you whores, I don’t root for a club that sold its soul. I root for the coolest club in Europe, which goes about its business honestly…that’s why my avatar for the past few years has been of 1. FC Union Berlin players celebrating promotion.

When not rooting for Union I root for the German NT and so watch our U19 & U21 NTs regularly, with more sporadic viewings of the u17s…who have a lot of fun talents atm. So I’ve been hyping Kai since before he broke into Pillenkusen’s senior team.

As we had a significant down period with our youth development between Kai + the teenagers we are starting to pump out again now, and the 96ers…Sane, Timo, Tah, Dahoud, Klostermann, Brandt, Kehrer, Amiri, Baumgartl -- whom I didn’t rate him back then but had a lot of hype -- etc…and 95ers…Kimmich, Goretzka, Süle, Gnabry, Max Meyer, Weigl, Mukhtar, Selke, etc.

I was the one telling Chelsea fans that they should try Kai as a false 9 with Timo running off of him when you have the ball, and leading the press for Kai when out of possession…the way Volland used to do when Kai was at his best for the pill-pushers...when many of you were still complaining that that child needed time to adapt.


That’s why seeing you assume I was attacking Kai & Timo was so funny to me. Especially with you not understanding that Kai moving when he was younger is exactly why he didn’t get the chance to establish himself before leaving germany, the way Nkunku has.

And I wasn’t ripping on Chelsea just to rip on them. All I was doing was going about telling you that Nkunku is only interested in moving to clubs like PSG, Real, maybe Bayern, in the most smartass-y way that I could. Seeing how badly you under-rate him was funny & I suspected that your reaction to that information would be even funnier if I was a dick about it…which it was.

 

[Mount Suribachi]

You really need to bring yourself up to speed on what you’re talking about or you’ll keep coming off looking clueless. Assuming you get Frenkie, you won’t get any significant discount if at all a discount. The player yesterday publicly stated he wants to stay in Barcelona, something he’s stated multiple times, and that he grew up a supporter. He also wants to play in the Champions League, something United can’t offer next season and it’d be fair to question at this exact moment in time if they could even offer it next season. Also, while the club need cash, they’re not going to give him away much less for half price. They know what they have and they know how badly United both want and need him. Negotiation 102: “Oh, you’re desperate for a quality player midfielder right now? Your new manager really wants him and you’re going to struggle to get anyone comparable? Well we don’t need the money and the price just went up, so pay up or get the f*** out.”

As for mortgaging their future earnings, it’s a portion of their fut

Most of this post I already addressed with Savant - yes, FDJ may decide he doesn't want to join United at all, it's entirely feasible. However that has no bearing whatsoever on his transfer value in this case.

And if Barca's members agree to sacrifice more money in the future for less money right now, it's also moot because they no longer need to sell.

But if they don't, you've got till 30-June to get some funds in or you're screwed. You can't even register your free transfers, let alone go after Lewandowski. In those circumstances it becomes a buyer's market.

 

[les Habs]

Most of this post I already addressed with Savant - yes, FDJ may decide he doesn't want to join United at all, it's entirely feasible. However that has no bearing whatsoever on his transfer value in this case.

And if Barca's members agree to sacrifice more money in the future for less money right now, it's also moot because they no longer need to sell.

But if they don't, you've got till 30-June to get some funds in or you're screwed. You can't even register your free transfers, let alone go after Lewandowski. In those circumstances it becomes a buyer's market.

It absolutely has a bearing on his transfer value in this case. As for now the club doesn’t need to sell and even if they did you wouldn’t get a deal. The club knows the asset they have and United not only wouldn’t be the only interested party by probably the least attractive.

 

[Gecklund]

@Evilo thoughts?

 

[cgf]

@Evilo thoughts?

Better they move for him than even think about making another bid for OG-Haaland…

 

[Tony Romo]

Starting to think Tchouameni is not coming to Madrid

 

[bluesfan94]

You know I thought one of the other Arsenal fans was bad but at least he backed it up with facts and had actual ideas. Just a little far fetched ideas but I have since grown to love him and love to banter with him. This guy is just HEY MY CLUB IS THE BEST AND THE REST OF YALL SUCK

On an unrelated note, @bluesfan94 another signing!



28 year old CB from Arminia Bielefeld and Swedish national team

I think we might actually end up with a decent side. I like what we've been doing.

While this is true, it was always going to be paid off on a sale since all the debt was from the owner loaning the club money and the club had increased in value by much more than he loaned.

Sure, but that can be true about the other debt carried by the clubs listed.

It's not ignoring so much as putting it in context. Let's put it in context. Lewy left Dortmund the year before that. Their DoF signed a bunch of shitty players to replace him and it failed. Even though it failed they still were been a CL on expected points and it only happened to not be the case because...their DoF signed shitty players.

It's not like they just sucked out of nowhere. They lost the best #9 and replaced him with two average BL forwards and a forward who can't score against good competition as we see every time Italy fails to make tournaments. I should also point out that Mkh had by far his worst goalscoring season, and according to charts he had great chances that he just couldn't finish. Apparently he had 7 shots on target the first time around in the league. Pretty clear who should be blamed for that. I do also remember one game where they missed three chances in front of the goal, missed a penalty, and scored an OG. Can't remember who they played but it was so comical I remember that part at least.

The key thing to learn from this is that when you lose quality and replace with quantity, your team starts to suck. Who knew

So something like losing Salah or Mane or VvD, etc. and not replacing them with the right player can lead to a team going downhill even with Klopp at the helm? Well let's just hope Liverpool doesn't have to replace them ever.

 

[Evilo]

@Evilo thoughts?

Player rejected them last winter. He has offers from basically every big team (PSG, Bayern, etc...) as well as teams where he'd get more playing time (BVB).
I have a hard time he now accepts Newcastle.
Except if his big injury since the winter break made him think that turning down that much money at 19 is risky.

 

[Live in the Now]

So something like losing Salah or Mane or VvD, etc. and not replacing them with the right player can lead to a team going downhill even with Klopp at the helm? Well let's just hope Liverpool doesn't have to replace them ever.

No, replacing them with quantity over quality would be the issue. They signed two random BL forwards who aren't very good. It's like how Arsenal replaced Auba with Nketiah, they know Nketiah isn't as good and it tanked their season but I guess they don't care. Liverpool isn't going to replace Salah with Pukki and Callum Wilson. That's the equivalent of what we're talking about here.

 

[Jussi]

You are worse than AFTV or whatever that entertaining but for different reasons than intended homer Arsenal network is.

Fixed.

 

[robertmac43]

Nkunku would be great on any premier league team, what's with the slander there lol

 

[bluesfan94]

No, replacing them with quantity over quality would be the issue. They signed two random BL forwards who aren't very good. It's like how Arsenal replaced Auba with Nketiah, they know Nketiah isn't as good and it tanked their season but I guess they don't care. Liverpool isn't going to replace Salah with Pukki and Callum Wilson. That's the equivalent of what we're talking about here.

Auba wasn't interested in playing at Arsenal. It wasn't tanking the season. If anything, it helped.

Regardless, you don't know what quality is until it actually shows up. Everything comes down to player recruitment. If Liverpool nails it, then yes, they'll be fine. If not, having Klopp as manager hardly guarantees anything. We've seen that in Dortmund. So saying the most important signing is Klopp is pretty funny when the next argument you're making is that it all depends on what players Liverpool signs.

 

[Live in the Now]

Auba wasn't interested in playing at Arsenal. It wasn't tanking the season. If anything, it helped. Regardless, you don't know what quality is until it actually shows up.

I think you can tell that Ji Dong Won and Adrian Ramos weren’t quality. They knew what they were doing when they replaced Lewy with that.

 

[bluesfan94]

I think you can tell that Ji Dong Won and Adrian Ramos weren’t quality. They knew what they were doing when they replaced Lewy with that.

Immobile wasn't thought of as a bad signing though. They also signed Auba the year prior and Reus the year before that. Unless your stance is that replacements only count if they're signed immediately after a departure, at which point Liverpool can't point to Diaz or Jota as Salah/Mane/Firmino replacements.

Then the next year they brought in essentially no new players (Weigl and Castro, essentially) and had a ton more points with Tuchel

 

[Live in the Now]

Immobile wasn't thought of as a bad signing though. They also signed Auba the year prior and Reus the year before that. Unless your stance is that replacements only count if they're signed immediately after a departure, at which point Liverpool can't point to Diaz or Jota as Salah/Mane/Firmino replacements.

Then the next year they brought in essentially no new players (Weigl and Castro, essentially) and had a ton more points with Tuchel

Auba and Mkh were signed to replace Gotze's position in the team as they changed tactics, they also made the CL Final so they had a lot of money and used it. Which is well exactly the case of the team we're talking about right now.

Also I will repeat again. The Mkh of Tuchel and the last year of Klopp are totally different. In the first time around the league he took 30+ shots and only put 7 on target. He scored 5 goals for Klopp. For Tuchel he scored 23 goals, then he moved teams twice and flopped both times and never did that again. So how much of that are we to attribute to good luck and bad luck? He scored more than 5 at United and Arsenal despite being terrible. Also when they were at the bottom of the table they were 4th in xG, so again, how much does luck factor into something like this?

Also FWIW under Tuchel they didn't have to take the Europa League group very seriously which obviously helped with potential fatigue.

 

[les Habs]

Not many players I think we’ll be signing that excite more than this kid. Hopefully we get Pedri 2.0 here.