Transfer: Summer Transfer Thread Part I

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Pavel Buchnevich

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I wonder what Redbull will do both there cbs are going

Konate doesn't play. They already bought a replacement for Upamecano anyway from France.

I think Liverpool got the better player than Bayern did, but I also wouldn't rule out that Leipzig are hiding Konate because they know something we don't. He's been injured a lot in recent seasons. Maybe he's lost his ability due to some of these injuries. I look at his playing time and think its ridiculous how he doesn't play, but Nagelsmann is also a great coach, so we can't rule out that he knows what he's doing here.
 

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If Liverpool had unlimited money it would be okay to take a risk on another injury prone player at a position they already have injury prone players especially at what seems like a good price for that player. 40m is probably a good chunk of their summer transfer budget in these covid times. Losing CL spot is also a big blow to their income if they don't climb back up the table.
 

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If they're spending 40 on him, without any negotiations, they have money to spend. Whether that's likely due to budget, doing better on the kit deal than they thought, investment (the new money from partial ownership), FFP being suspended, restructuring using loans, or selling players on there's something working out to where they could make the move.

Note, I don't think it's set in stone that they're getting him or paying the buyout. But if they're just saying, here's the cash, we want the player, without any haggling, they have the money to do more this summer. 40 was more than their net spend the last window or two, so, if that's already penciled in (plus more Jota money, plus potentially Kabak) that's a big outlay for a team that has been pleading poor for a bit now.

As for it being a bit of a gamble, maybe, maybe not. I think the argument they would make involves the idea of paying 40 for a guy who can be a very good player for a decade, being pennies on the dollar. Sure, he might not be amazing, but even if he's just a serviceable squad player who plays 15-20 matches a season, that's a ton of return on investment. With regards to injury concerns, yeah, it is a bit concerning, but I think the idea is get 3-4 young players, and someone should be able to play.


I think it's more likely they sell someone on. But we shall see.
 

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Kounde's a bit better, but they're completely different players. Konate might be better suited for Premier League though.
I agree with that, if the lot like Stones, Diop, Tarkowski, and others like Zouma look passable or can succeed in the EPL then I fully believe that Konate can as well. I am more curious if because this was a clause, LFC had to pay all of it up front or they're going their poor self and paying 3 pounds now and then 37 million for the next forty years.

For the whole Messi to City reunion with Aguero...


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Konate doesn't play. They already bought a replacement for Upamecano anyway from France.

I think Liverpool got the better player than Bayern did, but I also wouldn't rule out that Leipzig are hiding Konate because they know something we don't. He's been injured a lot in recent seasons. Maybe he's lost his ability due to some of these injuries. I look at his playing time and think its ridiculous how he doesn't play, but Nagelsmann is also a great coach, so we can't rule out that he knows what he's doing here.
Yeah. I don’t trust this signing for a lot of the reasons that you mentioned.
 

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As for it being a bit of a gamble, maybe, maybe not. I think the argument they would make involves the idea of paying 40 for a guy who can be a very good player for a decade, being pennies on the dollar. Sure, he might not be amazing, but even if he's just a serviceable squad player who plays 15-20 matches a season, that's a ton of return on investment. With regards to injury concerns, yeah, it is a bit concerning, but I think the idea is get 3-4 young players, and someone should be able to play.


I think it's more likely they sell someone on. But we shall see.

I also don't see it as that big of a gamble. Konate for 40M is a bargain. If he stays fit and he wasn't playing for some reason other than ability, you are getting a player who'll probably be one of the few best CB's in the world within a few years.

If not, and you get an injury-prone player who may not be able to get up to his top form anymore due to injuries, you are still getting a player who gives Liverpool a good option for the 20 games a season he is fit to play. 40M for a quality 2nd or 3rd CB isn't a bad deal. Thats about the going rate for players of that caliber. And there's obviously the added upside that he turns into a world class player, so I don't see this as a deal with that much downside.
 

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I totally see the downside. That many injuries in developmental years can be very bad.
There's no way of knowing how Konate will fare, but I don't see him as one of the top CBs in the world anytime soon.
 

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Yeah. I don’t trust this signing for a lot of the reasons that you mentioned.

I think the signing isn't bad, as long as this isn't Liverpool's last 40M to sign. I think it's a wise investment because I don't think the floor of this signing is that low, and the ceiling of it is getting a player who could be one of the best CB's in the world.

What I question is more about Konate's current game. He hasn't started a game for Leipzig in 2021. For a player of his caliber, there has to be something that everyone is missing for him to go so long fit enough to take part in the squad without starting.
 

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I think the signing isn't bad, as long as this isn't Liverpool's last 40M to sign. I think it's a wise investment because I don't think the floor of this signing is that low, and the ceiling of it is getting a player who could be one of the best CB's in the world.

What I question is more about Konate's current game. He hasn't started a game for Leipzig in 2021. For a player of his caliber, there has to be something that everyone is missing for him to go so long fit enough to take part in the squad without starting.
I mean Konate apparently had a hip injury? And now he is getting some niggling injuries too. Hip injury for any athlete is very terrible.

I don’t think he is getting burn because he hasn’t been training. It’s strange for LFC to spend a chunk on another injury prone player after seeing what happened this season. Konate is great, but this it’s wrong player to the wrong team here. Hope I’m wrong because he is made for the PL. if he is right, he is better than Upamecano.
 

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I mean Konate apparently had a hip injury? And now he is getting some niggling injuries too. Hip injury for any athlete is very terrible.

I don’t think he is getting burn because he hasn’t been training. It’s strange for LFC to spend a chunk on another injury prone player after seeing what happened this season. Konate is great, but this it’s wrong player to the wrong team here. Hope I’m wrong because he is made for the PL. if he is right, he is better than Upamecano.

You are right about hip injuries. Akanji had one two years ago, and he was brutal for the first year after it. He's gotten better in the second year since the injury, but is only about 90% the player he was before he sustained a hip injury. They can do a number on a player's mobility. However, Konate of his top form is worth a lot more than 40M. A hypothetically 80% Konate is still a serviceable player for a club like Liverpool, and the going rate for a player of that caliber is around 40M.

Maybe I end up being wrong, but unless its a team's last 40M and they absolutely don't need a CB, I'm taking Konate for 40M any day of the week before I even know why he hasn't started a game this year. I can see why Liverpool fans might be skeptical, but I don't see this signing being a disaster, waste of 40M type of signing. I think worst case scenario he's a serviceable squad player.
 

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For the whole Messi to City reunion with Aguero...



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You are right about hip injuries. Akanji had one two years ago, and he was brutal for the first year after it. He's gotten better in the second year since the injury, but is only about 90% the player he was before he sustained a hip injury. They can do a number on a player's mobility. However, Konate of his top form is worth a lot more than 40M. A hypothetically 80% Konate is still a serviceable player for a club like Liverpool, and the going rate for a player of that caliber is around 40M.

Maybe I end up being wrong, but unless its a team's last 40M and they absolutely don't need a CB, I'm taking Konate for 40M any day of the week before I even know why he hasn't started a game this year. I can see why Liverpool fans might be skeptical, but I don't see this signing being a disaster, waste of 40M type of signing. I think worst case scenario he's a serviceable squad player.
I don’t think skeptical is the right word.

I’m skeptical Virgil, Gomez, Matip and Konate can all stay healthy, but I’m not skeptical of the talent. If he didn’t have some warts LFC wouldn’t get him for that price.

I did think LFC needed stability at that position though. They have a lot of youth there already.
 
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