Sudbury Wolves 2024-25 Season Thread, Part IV

That deal is a fireable offence it’s actually crazy Papineau is still employed I feel bad for Sudbury fans
If Mews is done with the Wolves and is truly going to U of M then Papineau's resignation should be on Zulich's desk this morning.It is beyond me that he was allowed to manage the draft.Elite talent at the top of the draft was bypassed to obtain character players. It feels that the Wolves did not want any of baggage that comes with drafting elite players and are willing to have a line up of grinders.Dario should be searching for Papineau's replacement for the incompetent management and lack of success this team has endured.The fans deserve someone that has a comprehensive plan that can promote sustained success.Papineau with the Roberts and Mews trades this year, and the Protz trade last year, shows he has never had a plan.
 
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If that's true then the the job is not building a team, it's assembling a team. And I think you might be right.
I think you're spot on. We would basically have to sell our team to players based on development (not a bad thing since we do put people in the league). I think it could help us since players will only have to be here for 2 years, so location won't be as big of an issue. The only issue is I feel colleges will dictate where players get drafted, if they don't like the development of a specific CHL team, good luck getting their guy.
 
So now with NCAA commits being so popular, does it mean a rebuild can only be 2yrs? I'm just saying with guys like Provorov, what's the point in taking them unless you plan on winning within 2?

In this new world, you'd have to think that the commitments will get deferred as the NCAA gets older and deeper. Someone like Provorov may end up in Sudbury for three years deferring his commitment and then may potentially be drafted/signed into the NHL. There are a lot of committed players in the OHL who are deferring their commitments in agreement with their college teams knowing their playing time against older players just won't be there and that they aren't ready to be playing in an older league yet. It will take 2-3 years to see how this all shakes out
 
So now with NCAA commits being so popular, does it mean a rebuild can only be 2yrs? I'm just saying with guys like Provorov, what's the point in taking them unless you plan on winning within 2?

I think this year is the ONLY year you can do it. The multiple cohort years allows for teams to pick up players in any age group. Once this year is over, it will revert back to the annual draft. We may see some Free Agent types with changing status but I don’t think it will be as high volume as we could see this year.
 
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In this new world, you'd have to think that the commitments will get deferred as the NCAA gets older and deeper. Someone like Provorov may end up in Sudbury for three years deferring his commitment and then may potentially be drafted/signed into the NHL. There are a lot of committed players in the OHL who are deferring their commitments in agreement with their college teams knowing their playing time against older players just won't be there and that they aren't ready to be playing in an older league yet. It will take 2-3 years to see how this all shakes out

One thing to consider is commitment's can only be deferred one year. That goes both ways. But, that isn’t really a contract anyway. The players need to “make the team.” So, I am not sure how relevant this is overall.
 
One thing to consider is commitment's can only be deferred one year. That goes both ways. But, that isn’t really a contract anyway. The players need to “make the team.” So, I am not sure how relevant this is overall.

Right. Nothing is stopping the school from rescinding the commitment if they think the player is no longer good enough for their program or finding any other reason to break their commitment
 
One thing to consider is commitment's can only be deferred one year. That goes both ways. But, that isn’t really a contract anyway. The players need to “make the team.” So, I am not sure how relevant this is overall.
I did not know what. But commitments are not like contracts. For example Boston U has a commitment with Caleb Maholta for the 26/27 season. At anytime Boston U can say that they don't have a spot for him? I did not see a minute of Maholtra play this year, but he did not exactly light up the BCHL, I would think now with the new landscape he will have to put up a good year or two for a program like Boston U to keep their commitment now that they have a vast deeper player pool to recruit from. For NCAA why not see how these guys play for a season or two in major junior before offering them a commitment? I am curious to know how many of the recent OHL draft class already have commitments with NCAA schools
 
One thing to consider is commitment's can only be deferred one year. That goes both ways. But, that isn’t really a contract anyway. The players need to “make the team.” So, I am not sure how relevant this is overall.
Interesting - let's say there's an '07 previously committed to play NCAA in 25-26, but came to the OHL after the rule change like Katzin or Dervin. If they've pushed back to 26-27 - I assume that would mean if they wanted to play out their eligibility, they then would have to de-commit and commit somewhere else? I never would've thought there was a 1 year limit on commitment deferrals.
 
If Mews is done with the Wolves and is truly going to U of M then Papineau's resignation should be on Zulich's desk this morning.It is beyond me that he was allowed to manage the draft.Elite talent at the top of the draft was bypassed to obtain character players. It feels that the Wolves did not want any of baggage that comes with drafting elite players and are willing to have a line up of grinders.Dario should be searching for Papineau's replacement for the incompetent management and lack of success this team has endured.The fans deserve someone that has a comprehensive plan that can promote sustained success.Papineau with the Roberts and Mews trades this year, and the Protz trade last year, shows he has never had a plan.
I totally agree, he has never had a plan, has never looked down the road at the team in 2-3 yrs, it seems he only manages from year to year, he should have been more prepared for the 23-24 season, everyone knew it was going to be a go for it year, the three yrs before 23-24, if he wouldve prepared, he wouldve drafted a couple defencemen and goalie in the first three rounds instead of just mostly forwards, I don't get Papineau at all, the year we got UPL for goalie, it was a great gift for the fans, we were lucky to watch such a great goalie and person, great for us, where was Papineau during the World Juniors that year, was he watching the team when UPL was gone for 9 games, didn't he see how important a goalie was, didn't he see how much our team was really bad without goaltending, losing all 9 games during Juniors tournament, that shouldve showed him he needs to plan, and sadly he learnt nothing, he only plans from year to year, and him embracing this new Ncaa rule scares me, it shows me he is just managing from year to year.... so I don't know what is wrong with the owner, we won't be seeing another 2007 in a long time... that was so much fun.
 
For clarification purposes…

There is no guarantee of scholarship at all. The player needs to make the team, maintain their spot once they make it through all four years and maintain minimum thresholds for their grades

Ethically, the schools abide by their commitments. However, if the landscape changes and that school is making an effort to maintain a certain competitive level, they have to change with the landscape. This may affect their ability to maintain existing commitments.

Many people think that a commitment for a full ride scholarship is like signing a contract. Once it is signed, the school is on the hook for four years with all expenses paid. That is not the case at all. The coach and athletic director are tasked with managing their scholarships and the schools are limited by how many they can offer as well.

Commitments cannot be signed until you are within two years of enrolling and can only be delayed a maximum of one year.

A player like Mews is a super elite player. He will walk on to Michigan next year and likely be their #1 D-Man. He can pretty much do whatever he wants. So, that isn’t an issue for him. But, if you are talking about players you may have drafted that have commitments and they are not in that first round OHL pick category, there could be some deviations to consider.

Again, it is not in the school’s best interest to mess around with commitments but you have to think they are going to have to work around a lot of different situations over the course of the next year or so. I think things will be very fluid. How that changes or affects the landscape is yet to be determined but there is no doubt things will change.

Here is a good resource:
 
There are now ~120 NCAA & CHL teams competing for the 18-20 year old age band of elite talent. The NCAA have no geographical restrictions and no foreign content restricions (yet). The Wolves, as an example, first have to draft then convince/recruit their selections. The armchair GMs (I'm one of them) have a whole new set of considerations. 'At the moment' really is defined by the 'moment' because the CBA could change, the NHL/CHL agreement could change, the NCAA foreign content rules could change, the courts are hearing lawsuits that could change the CHL/Hockey Canada agreement and a thoroughly remote possibility is that Canadian universities could wake up to the potential of hockey as a revenue source. That's all on top of the usual day to day stuff.
 
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There are now ~120 NCAA & CHL teams competing for the 18-20 year old age band of elite talent. The NCAA have no geographical restrictions and no foreign content restricions (yet). The Wolves, as an example, first have to draft then convince/recruit their selections. The armchair GMs (I'm one of them) have a whole new set of considerations. 'At the moment' really is defined by the 'moment' because the CBA could change, the NHL/CHL agreement could change, the NCAA foreign content rules could change, the courts are hearing lawsuits that could change the CHL/Hockey Canada agreement and a thoroughly remote possibility is that Canadian universities could wake up to the potential of hockey as a revenue source. That's all on top of the usual day to day stuff.

Great insight. Thanks
 

U18 Draft on Wednesday. Hope to see the wolves continue their dominance of the process.
Serensits, Weeks, DeGrazia, Krawchuk, Henderson. Definitely the area where i will say the are the cream of the crop in the OHL.
Well i can say 1 thing with certainty for tomorrow, we will only have 2 picks tomorrow. We won't be taking a goalie with Marshall, Chartier, and Cameron
 

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