Sudbury Wolves 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I

[WolvesFanInNorthBay]

Confirmed by Ben Leeson. Call me crazy but I'm excited to see how this changes the dynamic of the team.

 

[armchaircoaches]

I sure wouldn’t be excited wonder how the vets are gonna take this, what a joke

 

[billoink]

He was supposed to be here last Friday

 

[cub]

Well Well, credit to Musty in coming back, he made the right move. Chances he will get moved at trade deadline.

 

[MGOBlue]

Well Well, credit to Musty in coming back, he made the right move. Chances he will get moved at trade deadline.

Musty is almost certainly back for the following reasons. The Sharks told his agent that he better smarten up, and so he can play at the World Jr's. Hopefully he is here to work and be a team player, as this is the new culture of the team and he can definitely be a massive asset with the right attitude. He put the team in a terrible position by doing this publicly, it didn't work out the way he planned, so now he's back. I don't give props to Papineau much, but he deserves it here for sticking to his guns and hopefully we can get a huge haul closer to the deadline. Musty deserves no credit.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

I don't know what to make of all this. In fact more importantly what do the players think of it. Its not like Musty was sitting out for a new contract where he wants millions like professional players.

WJ

 

[agillarda]

I don't know what to make of all this. In fact more importantly what do the players think of it. Its not like Musty was sitting out for a new contract where he wants millions like professional players.

WJ

I think he would have had to speak to the players. It's one thing for the organization to welcome him back, another for the players to. Lest we forget when Muzzin flipped the puck at tkachuk and none of his teammates went to his defence.

 

[190 is almost 206]

Not sure why he has been out the last couples games, but there is basically no chance he would be coming back to Sudbury as an overage player. Could be wrong, but I can't think of too many times a player has been sent from AHL back to junior outside of Kip Brennan, but that was 25 years ago. What a team that was, by the way. Still hold a grudge against Peter Budaj!

Vancouver did it with Josh Bloom last season and he ending up scoring the GWG in the Memorial Cup final. Granted Goyette is a far more talented player but it has and does happen somewhat regularly. There was another big name come back like that a couple years ago.

 

[MJ5]

Musty playing for the wolves at this point would probably be the worst case for all concerned. The wolves are not being at all truthful saying Musty is welcome back.

 

[djscooter]

Confirmed by Ben Leeson. Call me crazy but I'm excited to see how this changes the dynamic of the team.

Every loss going forward will be blamed on him by certain posters in this thread, I know that much.

 

[Kingpin794]

Well Well, credit to Musty in coming back, he made the right move. Chances he will get moved at trade deadline.

Which makes not honoring his request even more of a dick move. If all the parties involved know that Musty is being traded at some point, why can't they move him now? Is the GM so bad at his job that he can't get some quality 07's plus picks? Musty's whole point is that he just wants to move onto the final phase of his junior career without having this lame duck session for 2 months. It's really not that outlandish of a request.

 

[agillarda]

Which makes not honoring his request even more of a dick move. If all the parties involved know that Musty is being traded at some point, why can't they move him now? Is the GM so bad at his job that he can't get some quality 07's plus picks? Musty's whole point is that he just wants to move onto the final phase of his junior career without having this lame duck session for 2 months. It's really not that outlandish of a request.

Can't get them if the other teams are saying no right now. Takes two to tango.

 

[cobra9850]

It's a reciprocal agreement for Musty and the Wolves.If he
plays well he will drive up his stock with teams, including team USA. The Wolves will benefit from a motivated Musty short term at the very least.Long term they can benefit from a much better return.I just wonder if he is not the only high scoring Wolf from last year to return to the den.

 

[cub]

Which makes not honoring his request even more of a dick move. If all the parties involved know that Musty is being traded at some point, why can't they move him now? Is the GM so bad at his job that he can't get some quality 07's plus picks? Musty's whole point is that he just wants to move onto the final phase of his junior career without having this lame duck session for 2 months. It's really not that outlandish of a request.

if you read Wolves statement it explains it well they did not rule out a trade but it would have to benefit the team not the player.

It was a good move by Musty to come back and play hockey for a great coaching staff, it will benefit him. I believe they will trade him at trade deadline where the team will maximize from this asset.

You sound like a butt hurt generation of entitlement, where is the loyalty to your team and organization? any player with character will have his team back, before self interest.

 

[cub]

Every loss going forward will be blamed on him by certain posters in this thread, I know that much.

I will be the first.

 

[Between The Goalpost]

Musty is almost certainly back for the following reasons. The Sharks told his agent that he better smarten up, and so he can play at the World Jr's. Hopefully he is here to work and be a team player, as this is the new culture of the team and he can definitely be a massive asset with the right attitude. He put the team in a terrible position by doing this publicly, it didn't work out the way he planned, so now he's back. I don't give props to Papineau much, but he deserves it here for sticking to his guns and hopefully we can get a huge haul closer to the deadline. Musty deserves no credit.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I'd love to see Musty finish out the season as a Wolf. It would give him an opportunity to prove us wrong, and there’s no denying the Wolves are stronger with him in the lineup.

 

[beastintheeast]

I don't know what to make of all this. In fact more importantly what do the players think of it. Its not like Musty was sitting out for a new contract where he wants millions like professional players.

WJ

Musty was sitting out for personal reasons. He will probably address it in the dressing room, but more importantly, he will address it on the ice, and that is what you guys want and need.

His agent probably told him that if he wants to keep everyone happy, he will come back here for a few weeks, impress USA Hockey, go to the WJC, and get traded at the deadline. Basically, it is the same scenario as if he was injured out of NHL camp..

 

[Lycanthrope]

Grudge should be against Templeton for letting his ego ruin that team. Team could score at will, still think it was the best wolves roster to ever lace them up. Incredibly talent, and the roster was filled with scary humans as well.

This is true. They quit on him.

 

[EvenSteven]

Which makes not honoring his request even more of a dick move. If all the parties involved know that Musty is being traded at some point, why can't they move him now? Is the GM so bad at his job that he can't get some quality 07's plus picks? Musty's whole point is that he just wants to move onto the final phase of his junior career without having this lame duck session for 2 months. It's really not that outlandish of a request.

Musty’s rumoured short trade list consists of teams who have little draft capital. From the Wolves point of view, under those circumstances, to get a fair deal done, an 08 1st needs to be included.

That means waiting til January. So likely there was an ultimatum made. Come back and play now or sit on the shelf til January when a trade can be done, or add more contenders to the list.

 

[LDN]

So this indicates the Wolves want an 08 in the deal

 

[GoKnightsGo44]

This whole situation has been a mess, how was management not able to find a dance partner over 3 weeks. The chances that there will be better value at the deadline is a gamble, what happens if there is an injury to Musty?

What if other contenders drop off and other prospects become available, a la Jett Luchanko?

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[agillarda]

This whole situation has been a mess, how was management not able to find a dance partner over 3 weeks. The chances that there will be better value at the deadline is a gamble, what happens if there is an injury to Musty?

What if other contenders drop off and other prospects become available, a la Jett Luchanko?

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Your right we should take a 7th round pick for him and be done with it.

 

[WolvesFanInNorthBay]

I mean, there is no better weekend to have him back. On Friday, the Wolves face the first-place Kitchener Rangers. With some solid defensive play and some extra scoring, they may not get blown out.

 

[agillarda]

For those who say just get it done. Let's look at a few recent trades

J Thompson for 2 Players and 1x 2nd
McTavish for 2 players and 2x 2nd, 4x 3rds
Assadourian for 1x 2nd and 1x 3rd
Wright for 2 players and 7 picks
Holmes for 2x2nd, 1x3rd, 1x 4th and 1x 6th
Rehkopf for 3x2nd, 3x 3rd, 3x 4th, 1x 7th
Leenders for 3x 2nd, 3x 3rd, 1x 4th and 1x 5th
Barlow for 2 players and 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd, 1x 5th and 1x 7th

So let's examine where Musty would fit in this, above Thompson, Holmes, assadourian without a doubt. Your best examples are McTavish, Rehkopf and Barlow.

So 2 players atleast 1x 2nd and 2x 3rds is minimum fair value if not more. Has this been offered, since no trade has been made it would seem not.

 

[Kingpin794]

Musty’s rumoured short trade list consists of teams who have little draft capital. From the Wolves point of view, under those circumstances, to get a fair deal done, an 08 1st needs to be included.

That means waiting til January. So likely there was an ultimatum made. Come back and play now or sit on the shelf til January when a trade can be done, or add more contenders to the list.

But again, that's the GM's hang up. You can't tell me there isn't a deal out there, even with a short list, that revolves around 2 07's that isn't as good as 1 08. Also if I'm another GM, I'm cutting waaaaay down on the picks offered if Sudbury is so hung up on getting an 08. They just advertised that an 08 is the limiting factor.