Sudbury Wolves 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I

[agillarda]

Because if you’ve been following the OHL at all in some point in your life you’d know you get more for a full season of a star player rather than half a season for a disgruntled player.

If they wait until Christmas leaving little time for them to make a trade(deadline Jan 10) with a disgruntled player do you think they’ll get as much that they would’ve in September when the wolves put out about how they’re aware of situation (musty asking for a trade)

Pretty sure you get more for 3 full months of a star player.

Unless of course Sudbury just wants to prove a point and doesn’t want players reporting to them in the future- as the team clearly cares little about the needs of those playing for them?


Could be right, could be wrong. My interpretation of that was different though- I believe they’re pretty sick of making the kid wait and they want their star prospect in games playing hockey and not sitting at home

The facts are the Wolves made it clear there they know about the trade request will make a trade if their is a decent offer and in the mean time he is welcome back to the team. The only one holding him back from playing is himself

 

[frontsfan67]

Exactly.

But some claim he's being treated unprofessionally, lol.

Colby Barlows situation was a billion times better than this. They got it done right at the start of the season pretty well- that’s how you treat your star players that have been with you for years. NOT refusing to trade your player for what is going on a month now. They’re being very very picky probably. You’re not going to get as much for a guy that has attitude problems and an “individual player” over a guy that doesn’t- simple as that

 

[agillarda]

A similar situation in SSM, Allard requested a trade and is now reporting to SSM so he can play.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

NOT refusing to trade your player for what is going on a month now. They’re being very very picky probably.

What are you basing this on? Do you have inside information? Do share.

 

[agillarda]

Colby Barlows situation was a billion times better than this. They got it done right at the start of the season pretty well- that’s how you treat your star players that have been with you for years. NOT refusing to trade your player for what is going on a month now. They’re being very very picky probably. You’re not going to get as much for a guy that has attitude problems and an “individual player” over a guy that doesn’t- simple as that

There are a couple differences in these 2 situations clearly.

Barlow refused to report to camp and it was pretty well known that he wanted a trade.

Musty reported to camp went through the camp and played in preseason games, was given a letter as there was no thought of him wanting out. It wasn't until he got sent back and it being reported on the day he would have played in his 1st game that he wasn't in town. San Jose sent him back to the Wolves, they could have done what Seattle did and waited until he was traded to send him back.

 

[frontsfan67]

What are you basing this on? Do you have inside information? Do share.

Do you think it takes a month for a trade to happen?

Its some big process where it takes a month to figure out some picks involved and a young player?

Or better yet- since musty may not be worth that young player as he is toxic, just picks?

 

[agillarda]

Do you think it takes a month for a trade to happen?

Its some big process where it takes a month to figure out some picks involved and a young player?

Or better yet- since musty may not be worth that young player as he is toxic, just picks?

Look at Colby Barlow- he got traded a few games into the season. We are now a month in.

OHL4Life had the picks and players nailed down a month beforehand when they had to wait for him to be reassigned to junior before completing the trade.

Key part in what you are saying here, OHL4Life had the details a month before the he got sent back but it still took a couple of days after that because they were trying to add stuff, it was suggested they wanted Konnor Smith as well in the trade. The deal was done soo early because THE WORLD KNEW HE WANTED TO BE TRADED EARLIER.

Musty no one knew until Marek broke it. He was expected back and to have an A on his jersey.

 

[frontsfan67]

Musty no one knew until Marek broke it. He was expected back and to have an A on his jersey.

Did they give him an A though so when he is traded midway through the year like Andrew Gibson probably so they don’t have to name a new captain?

What if they kept it just between musty and his agent, the gm of San Jose and the gm of Sudbury and one of them said something then that person they told spread the word and it got out to marek eventually? How would marek be the first one to figure this out? Someone would’ve had to leak it along the way to him

people on here break trades all the time what’s the odds that people let marek know stuff and marek breaks it to the public? Someone probably told the wrong person and it got out somehow

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Did they give him an A though so when he is traded midway through the year like Andrew Gibson probably they don’t have to name a new captain?

Omg, lol!

 

[agillarda]

Did they give him an A though so when he is traded midway through the year like Andrew Gibson probably they don’t have to name a new captain?

What if they kept it just between musty and his agent, the gm of San Jose and the gm of Sudbury and one of them said something then that person they told spread the word and it got out to marek eventually? How would marek be the first one to figure this out? Someone would’ve had to leak it along the way to him

people on here break trades all the time what’s the odds that people let marek know stuff and marek breaks it to the public? Someone probably told the wrong person and it got out somehow

They will have to name a new captain though our Captains are McCoy, DeAngelis, Pharand and Villenueve. McCoy and DeAngelis are likely gone at the deadline.

If there was that situation between all those camps, San Jose would have done like Seattle did with Wright and hold onto him until he was moved. This was all reactionary to him being sent back. Maybe he expect the C for himself.

Omg, lol!

Right let's not give the C to Musty we will trade him, let's give it to McCoy who we will also trade.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Right let's not give the C to Musty we will trade him, let's give it to McCoy who we will also trade.

Exactly.

That particular poster is completely lost. I'd suggest quitting while he's behind.

 

[frontsfan67]

They will have to name a new captain though our Captains are McCoy, DeAngelis, Pharand and Villenueve. McCoy and DeAngelis are likely gone at the deadline.

If there was that situation between all those camps, San Jose would have done like Seattle did with Wright and hold onto him until he was moved. This was all reactionary to him being sent back. Maybe he expect the C for himself.


Right let's not give the C to Musty we will trade him, let's give it to McCoy who we will also trade.

Everyone knew wright if he was back was going to stick with Seattle before going to the WJC’s and then traded. Not really same situation with Musty as a lot believed he would be back at the start of the year even before it became public about his trade request

Even then wright didn’t get traded for a 16 year old so not sure what Papineau is waiting for- Musty and his attitude problems will not land a 16 year old

Exactly.

That particular poster is completely lost. I'd suggest quitting while he's behind.

Well aware if they trade McCoy they’d have to name a new captain- not rocket science. Just as Peterborough did when they traded him to Sudbury last year. Villeneuve will get the captaincy if/when McCoy is traded.

Just like Niagara did literally today trading Bryant and replacing him with He

Glad a particular poster thinks everything I say is funny and it’s not just myself having a good laugh

 

[TheNorth]

I well go to one game this season and well be to boo Musty, get this traded sorted fast.

 

[agillarda]

Everyone knew wright if he was back was going to stick with Seattle before going to the WJC’s and then traded. Not really same situation with Musty as a lot believed he would be back at the start of the year even before it became public about his trade request

Even then wright didn’t get traded for a 16 year old so not sure what Papineau is waiting for- Musty and his attitude problems will not land a 16 year old


Well aware if they trade McCoy they’d have to name a new captain- not rocket science. Just as Peterborough did when they traded him to Sudbury last year. Villeneuve will get the captaincy if/when McCoy is traded.

Just like Niagara did literally today trading Bryant and replacing him with He

Bryant has been recovering from off-season surgery and was given the C last season. Doubt it would be a good look to strip the C from an injured player. He was trade as a victim of circumstances, NVV they felt was vital, there import OA is of to a hot start and based on how the OA Goalie market played out they would get nothing for him. So if they wanted assets it had to be Bryant they didn't go into the season planning on trading him.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Did they give him an A though so when he is traded midway through the year like Andrew Gibson probably so they don’t have to name a new captain?

Well aware if they trade McCoy they’d have to name a new captain- not rocket science. Just as Peterborough did when they traded him to Sudbury last year. Villeneuve will get the captaincy if/when McCoy is traded.

Not rocket science indeed

And Villeneuve new Captain? He wasn't even originally named to the leadership group to start the season. You sure bout that?

 

[frontsfan67]

Not rocket science indeed

And Villeneuve new Captain? He wasn't even originally named to the leadership group to start the season. You sure bout that?

If Musty, Delic, McCoy, Deangelis are all traded who is left to be captain? Certainly think he would get some consideration after them.

villy with the A on there. So who doesn’t know what they’re talking about again?

 

[agillarda]

Not rocket science indeed

And Villeneuve new Captain? He wasn't even originally named to the leadership group to start the season. You sure bout that?

I'd imagine if it went based on the Start of season group the final leadership group would be C - Pharand, A - Villy, A - Delic, A - Coughlan.

@frontsfan67 No let's resolve the issue of Mustys trade.

Would all sides like this wrapped up quick absolutely get it over with and get rid of any distractions. As for San Jose being unhappy he isn't playing right now the wolves would welcome him back in the morning if he came like Allard is doing, that's on him not the wolves.

Clearly no firm offers have been leaked as we would surely have details. That means no reasonable offer has been made. Heck we know the Molnar is heading this way just not announced yet as we are waiting on decisions from Imports.

A reasonable deal begins with 2x2nds and 2x3rds are you go from there, likely a 07 1st round and another experienced player.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

From McCoy to now half the team being traded.

Certainly get consideration after that!

 

[agillarda]

If Musty, Delic, McCoy, Deangelis are all traded who is left to be captain? Certainly think he would get some consideration after them.

Villy has to prove himself worthy after last season. Heck Matthews had to wait what 4 years before now getting the C after his off ice incident.

 

[frontsfan67]

From McCoy to now half the team being traded.

Certainly get consideration after that!

If McCoy gets traded it’ll likely be a domino effect along with musty, if you’ve been following how the OHL works you’d know.

They need to go younger and build around the ‘06 group with Villenueve and Walton. They don’t have a chance in hell at competing this year with how strong Brampton, Barrie, Oshawa when they get things going and Ritchie(and possibly roobroeck) is returned, and Brantford gets jiricek, Vanacker healthy (and hamara was just returned)

Sudburys best bet is getting 2 youngish players(and obviously picks too) from whatever team they trade him to and go for it next year with all their picks they have. Only problem is teams know Sudbury has to trade him soon so they won’t be asking for as much as Sudbury wants but that’s how it always goes. Teams lowball.

My whole point is it’s been a month- all parties need to move on with their life. All for teams getting market value but this is dragging on too long by the sounds of it the San Jose wants it done soon as well.

 

[frontsfan67]

Villy has to prove himself worthy after last season. Heck Matthews had to wait what 4 years before now getting the C after his off ice incident.

Players get suspended all the time but I get what you’re saying. Mallioux got a chance at the NHL after his little incident. People don’t dwell on issues for long

 

[agillarda]

If McCoy gets traded it’ll likely be a domino effect along with musty, if you’ve been following how the OHL works you’d know.

They need to go younger and build around the ‘06 group with Villenueve and Walton. They don’t have a chance in hell at competing this year with how strong Brampton, Barrie, Oshawa when they get things going and Ritchie(and possibly roobroeck) is returned, and Brantford gets jiricek, Vanacker healthy (and hamara was just returned)

Sudburys best bet is getting 2 youngish players(and obviously picks too) from whatever team they trade him to and go for it next year with all their picks they have. Only problem is teams know Sudbury has to trade him soon so they won’t be asking for as much as Sudbury wants but that’s how it always goes. Teams lowball.

My whole point is it’s been a month- all parties need to move on with their life. All for teams getting market value but this is dragging on too long by the sounds of it the San Jose wants it done soon as well.

In the words of the wolves GM when a team offers a deal to improve our team he will do it. Until then Musty has 2 choices report and play until traded or stay home and not play and potentially hinder his development. Choice is all his. We can get this done tomorrow for a 15th round pick but you don't just do something to do it. It has to be reasonable and make sense. The article is putting pressure on Musty to report and start playing.

I imagine Mustys agent is calling what ever teams he is interested in going to and greasing the wheels behind the scenes. If there are low ball offers they will have to offer more and wolves maybe take less.

In the words of NHL agent Allan Walsh though pressure points clear the mind. Right now the pressure point is world junior camps in mid December, if Musty wants on the team he needs to get playing to earn an invite to their selection camp which means he wants to get playing soon.

Players get suspended all the time but I get what you’re saying. Mallioux got a chance at the NHL after his little incident. People don’t dwell on issues for long

Players do get suspended all the time for sure but not for what he was suspended for. He takes the A for this season and maybe gets it next year. He and Walton are likely traded next deadline anyways.

 

[frontsfan67]

Players do get suspended all the time for sure but not for what he was suspended for. He takes the A for this season and maybe gets it next year. He and Walton are likely traded next deadline anyways.

Why would they be traded next deadline? Do you think they’re going to go all in this year? Doesn’t seem like a smart idea imo especially when you are losing one of the most talented players in the league.

 

[yalbmert25]

Do you think it takes a month for a trade to happen?

Its some big process where it takes a month to figure out some picks involved and a young player?

Or better yet- since musty may not be worth that young player as he is toxic, just picks?

Watching him play and tell me what he’s worth.

Hes a first round pick ffs

Teams know he wants out and they are lowballing.

I really don’t think wolves are holding a grudge here. They just aren’t seeing value

 

[dirty12]

Watching him play and tell me what he’s worth.

Hes a first round pick ffs

Teams know he wants out and they are lowballing.

I really don’t think wolves are holding a grudge here. They just aren’t seeing value

Do you know teams are lowballing? Maybe Papineau is telling teams to match or beat the return for Barlow. I don’t think it is reasonable to demand an over payment.