Sudbury Wolves 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 1)

[djscooter]

Once again, I never said it was the refs fault. The Wolves played awful. But the refs were awful too. Both things can be true. Please learn how to follow a conversation.

His profile says "I'm a optimist not a optometrist" maybe he lacks reading glasses.

 

[I Loveallsports]

Once again, I never said it was the refs fault. The Wolves played awful. But the refs were awful too. Both things can be true. Please learn how to follow a conversation.

Pay attention. The refs had nothing to do with the wolves losing this game. The scoreboard and the wolves as a team is all you should be concerned about.

 

[jamo27]

Let’s keep it real. If the Wolves played a responsible system, Oshawa wouldn’t be the better team. Having a goaltender that can make a save once in a while would be nice too.

The Wolves on paper are very good. The coaching staff has been unable to extract it. It is a Wild West Edmonton Oilers hockey from the early 80’s except you don’t have Grant Fuhr.

Yeah, let’s keep it real. In a year where this miserable franchise had a chance to do something, they screw it up by not hiring a coach and getting a decent goalie. It’s absolute malpractice, and makes me embarrassed that I actually cheer for this shitshow team.

 

[I Loveallsports]

Let’s keep it real. If the Wolves played a responsible system, Oshawa wouldn’t be the better team. Having a goaltender that can make a save once in a while would be nice too.

The Wolves on paper are very good. The coaching staff has been unable to extract it. It is a Wild West Edmonton Oilers hockey from the early 80’s except you don’t have Grant Fuhr.

Let's keep it real. The generals are a better overall team than the wolves. Paper,unless it's money, don't mean a darn thing. Gens full value for the win.

 

[MGOBlue]

Pay attention. The refs had nothing to do with the wolves losing this game. The scoreboard and the wolves as a team is all you should be concerned about.

Lol. So we can't comment on bad reffing? No one is saying they were the reason the Wolves lost. You are just looking to argue with anyone / everyone. Get a grip.

 

[OMG67]

Yeah, let’s keep it real. In a year where this miserable franchise had a chance to do something, they screw it up by not hiring a coach and getting a decent goalie. It’s absolute malpractice, and makes me embarrassed that I actually cheer for this shitshow team.

I really think this sums it up nicely. In this day and age, teams need to focus on goal suppression. They don’t necessarily need to be full on trap teams with one man on the forecheck but at least take care of your own end. Spending a 1st round pick on a singular D-Man when you don’t have a top 12 goalie is also irresponsible for a team expecting to win a League title as the end goal.

The ironic part is this team has the pieces to BE THAT goal suppression team. I refuse to believe this team is incapable of playing responsible hockey. There are a lot of really good players on this team. It is astounding to me they choose to strategically outscore the opponent. There are too many really solid defensive minded teams that cannot be messed around with.

 

[I Loveallsports]

Lol. So we can't comment on bad reffing? No one is saying they were the reason the Wolves lost. You are just looking to argue with anyone / everyone. Get a grip.

If the wolves had won the game you'd be hear with your gibberish talking about the referees?

Good night friend.

 

[OMG67]

Lol. So we can't comment on bad reffing? No one is saying they were the reason the Wolves lost. You are just looking to argue with anyone / everyone. Get a grip.

There were two blatantly obvious missed calls in the 3rd period. The Wolves were mounting a bit of a comeback. IF those two calls were made, that comeback “potentially” could have happened keeping the Generals off the scoreboard. It is clearly a strong “if” but it is a factor. One of many factors that contributed to the loss.

Oshawa gave up 5 goals. It is not like they played like World Beaters.

 

[I Loveallsports]

There were two blatantly obvious missed calls in the 3rd period. The Wolves were mounting a bit of a comeback. IF those two calls were made, that comeback “potentially” could have happened keeping the Generals off the scoreboard. It is clearly a strong “if” but it is a factor. One of many factors that contributed to the loss.

Oshawa gave up 5 goals. It is not like they played like World Beaters.

What's your real motive posting here tonight( all are welcome). Gens winning effect standings in your div?

I just read your comment on the Oshawa board regarding the wolves tonight. You ripped them apart.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

There were two blatantly obvious missed calls in the 3rd period. The Wolves were mounting a bit of a comeback. IF those two calls were made, that comeback “potentially” could have happened keeping the Generals off the scoreboard. It is clearly a strong “if” but it is a factor. One of many factors that contributed to the loss.

Oshawa gave up 5 goals. It is not like they played like World Beaters.

Agreed!

Wolves had momentum at the time a couple of missed calls and then a bad goal on Vondras derailed any attempt for a comeback. Then the additional missed call after had the Wolves running around unfocused and took two back to back penalties. Yes Oshawa did let in 5 which is a positive . Wolves needed better preparation to start the game. Better goaltending and better bench management. Those were all the factors for the loss.

The top two lines did nothing. Musty line was a -3 and they were put on and get scored again. Coaches need to recognize what is working and what players are bringing it.

The second line was too small vs a big Oshawa team to create any kind of forecheck or space. Lines needed to be blended to counter Oshawa's size.

Must Dvorsky Coughlan
Walton Delic Goyette
Yearwood Giroux Pharand
Mauro Signorotti McCallum or swap with Pharand.

Coaches have been the Achilles heal of this team all year. Yes players need to be held accountable as well but they need structure and they are not getting it.

Overall, we need goalies to not let in softies, defensive structure needs to happen for this team to have any success. Too late to get a new coaching team. That's on management and ownership!

Can only hope they find some inspiration when Villy and Konyen come back and surprise teams with a full line up in the playoffs. They will not get home ice now so the coaches should look at trying different things before the playoffs. The lack of focus and attention to detail is evident.

WJ

P.S. -Musty takes two too many men penalties that just can't happen. The lack of focus is incredible.

-At least Sudbury will end up with a higher pick in the draft I guess

 

[OMG67]

What's your real motive posting here tonight( all are welcome). Gens winning effect standings in your div?

I just read your comment on the Oshawa board regarding the wolves tonight. You ripped them apart.

Yes. The goaltending and team goal suppression is horrendous and it shouldn’t be. However, if the officiating were to have tolted toward Sudbury, they may have been able to outscore Oshawa tonight. My whole point is that Oshawa was not a world beater. Earlier comments like the better team won is accurate but it was slanted in a way where Sudbury didn’t’ deserve to be on the same ice pad. That is not entirely accurate. That could have been another 7-5 Sudbury win with some minor situational changes.

The MAIN issue is it should have been a 5-3 win for Sudbury had the goaltending held up and the forward group knew what the goaltenders name was. Someone should set up a meet and great between the forwards and the goaltenders. I’m sure they’d get along if they knew each other….

Jsut because I dont’ like the fact the Wolves could have scored 8 goals to win doesn’t mean that is a good thing either. Jsut a point that with some slanted officiating int heir direction, maybe 7 goals would have been the difference. As shocking as that is to say because having to score seven is not a good thing.

 

[cub]

Agreed!

Wolves had momentum at the time a couple of missed calls and then a bad goal on Vondras derailed any attempt for a comeback. Then the additional missed call after had the Wolves running around unfocused and took two back to back penalties. Yes Oshawa did let in 5 which is a positive . Wolves needed better preparation to start the game. Better goaltending and better bench management. Those were all the factors for the loss.

The top two lines did nothing. Musty line was a -3 and they were put on and get scored again. Coaches need to recognize what is working and what players are bringing it.

The second line was too small vs a big Oshawa team to create any kind of forecheck or space. Lines needed to be blended to counter Oshawa's size.

Must Dvorsky Coughlan
Walton Delic Goyette
Yearwood Giroux Pharand
Mauro Signorotti McCallum or swap with Pharand.

Coaches have been the Achilles heal of this team all year. Yes players need to be held accountable as well but they need structure and they are not getting it.

Overall, we need goalies to not let in softies, defensive structure needs to happen for this team to have any success. Too late to get a new coaching team. That's on management and ownership!

Can only hope they find some inspiration when Villy and Konyen come back and surprise teams with a full line up in the playoffs. They will not get home ice now so the coaches should look at trying different things before the playoffs. The lack of focus and attention to detail is evident.

WJ

P.S. -Musty takes two too many men penalties that just can't happen. The lack of focus is incredible.

-At least Sudbury will end up with a higher pick in the draft I guess

I would like to see Coughlan on that top line, he's our best forechecker, as long he controls himself and doesn't take penalties.

 

[billoink]

Divorsky, Musty and and Goyette

 

[billoink]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about, does anyone still think that we can compete with teams like Oshawa, North Bay and Branford after the moves they made before the trade deadline. These teams made the decision to go all in and leapfrogged over the Wolves who only decided to tweak their roster and did not see goal tending as an issue. How do we expect players like Musty, Goyette and Divorsky along with possibly a few others to buy in when an early exit will only see them move on to their affiliate teams and start making money. The players are not dumb, when the Gm lacked the confidence in them to go all in they saw the writing on the wall. When Vondras was put in last night it was throwing in the towel. If our owner had any hockey sense he would have questioned Papineau's decision. I could just imagine what the coaching staff would have to had said after the deadline. The suspension issues only added more fuel to the fire as it divided the team on how it got out. Unfortunately we are a dumpster fire right now and you only have to look up to the gondola to see who lit the match. Only my opinion, attack it if you will.

 

[Wiserbud]

The challenge of understanding management is its all behind closed doors. We only see the result. We have no idea what moves were attempted and without a partner there ain't no dance. As fans, the result is quickly becoming a fail. Evident moreso with the absence of Villy and Konyen. We. Are. Done.

 

[cub]

need to start Krawchuk now, it's time to see what he can do. We slipped in the standings, nothing to lose now.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

To win playoff hockey you have to play CLEAN and Simple puck moving hockey. DZone coverage has to be a priority and you have to win most if not all board battles.
Last night: we gave up too many odd man rushes because we try to dangle thru everyone. NZone turn overs lead to odd man rushes. Oshawa’s passing is elite and they spread the ice very well. Once in our zone their passing had us running around scrambling. We need to move the puck more/better like them. We play zone D, they play man on man. Different styles of play and obviously Oshawa playing with a full roster and a ton of confidence. No need to panic. Get the bad games out of the way now, we have time to figure it out. Peak in playoffs.
Only real concern was the lack of giving a F@ck by some of our big guns. Time to show you care…

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Our bottom 6 showed that when you dump it in, forecheck (like you mean it), win board battles and put the puck to/on the net then Oshawa (like most teams) are vulnerable and can be BEAT.
Time for top six to buy in and stop playing individual style hockey in a team game.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Some levity:​

Our 20 Favourite Hockey Chirps​

By Distributel


Whether you’re helping your kids in youth hockey, playing in a rec league, or just sitting on the couch and playing NHL 21, good natured chirping is one of the best parts of the game. Here are some of our favourites.

Did you get benched in shinny too?​

Do kids play pond hockey anymore? Either way, if you’re not good enough for shinny, you’re not good enough for any other hockey.

You’re ten-ply, bud.​

Coined by Letterkenny, this term for the softest imaginable toilet paper should make its way into everyone’s vocabulary.

Are you hoping for a participation trophy?​

Only works when you’re winning.

Did you forget your skates and bring your clown shoes?​

If you want something that works in any situation.

You make more excuses than saves.​

If you want a goaltender-specific chirp.

Think this is dodgeball, bud?​

Another tendy chirp.

You’ve been scratched more than a lotto ticket.​

If you know someone who’s been riding the bench too long.

Go dye your hair.​

Thanks to Matt Martin for this one.

Ref, your phone is on silent, you’ve missed some calls.​

Chirp the ref at your own risk.

Go relax with a scented candle and a bubble bath.​

If someone’s being a hothead, you might as well wind them up further by telling them to relax.

Soccer practice is tomorrow.​

Anyone who dives deserves some scorn.

Forgot your Speedo, bud?​

Another diver-specific chirp.

Does your coach know you’re out here?​

You can sell this one better by pretending to do a double take when you see your target.

I smell smoke. Thinking of a chirp, bud?​

If you’re hoping for a call and response, and the response just isn’t coming.

You’d be more relevant to the game in a striped sweater.​

Self-explanatory.

You’re a tough guy? Hey fellas, we have a tough guy here. Everyone watch out, this is the tough guy.​

The more you ham it up, the better this chirp works.

I’ve heard better chirps from a dead bird.​

Another classic.

How long have they played you today? That’s a long time to do nothing.​

Only works on a player getting a lot of shifts.

I’ve seen better hands on a digital clock.​

This one might not work on a kid who doesn’t know what an analogue clock is.

If you want more ice time, I hear they’re hiring a Zamboni driver.​

Best said to someone first setting foot on the ice.

 

[dirty12]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about, does anyone still think that we can compete with teams like Oshawa, North Bay and Branford after the moves they made before the trade deadline. These teams made the decision to go all in and leapfrogged over the Wolves who only decided to tweak their roster and did not see goal tending as an issue. How do we expect players like Musty, Goyette and Divorsky along with possibly a few others to buy in when an early exit will only see them move on to their affiliate teams and start making money. The players are not dumb, when the Gm lacked the confidence in them to go all in they saw the writing on the wall. When Vondras was put in last night it was throwing in the towel. If our owner had any hockey sense he would have questioned Papineau's decision. I could just imagine what the coaching staff would have to had said after the deadline. The suspension issues only added more fuel to the fire as it divided the team on how it got out. Unfortunately we are a dumpster fire right now and you only have to look up to the gondola to see who lit the match. Only my opinion, attack it if you will.

The Battalion pretty much went all-in and more importantly were successful addressing their needs.
Oshawa only improved two of the OA spots.
Brantford probably sold off more than added, but the added are better fits.

Giroux and Vondras were going to be on the wolves roster post deadline even if the coach and GM did not want them. It would be unrealistic to believe the alternative would not have future ill-effects. A real option would have been move Walton and picks for a skilled puck hound to help mitigate having by-standers like Dvorsky & Goyette on the roster. For all his perceived flaws,Musty will get the puck anywhere.

 

[jrwhopper]

This team is eerily similar to the 13-14 team. Questionable coach in Paul Fixter,
Wolves were hot heading into the deadline, leading the Central Division. Team deadspinned afterwards, eventually losing the central division to North Bay in the last few weeks of the season. We went on to lose to Barrie in 5 games.

 

[Kingpin794]

The team has plenty of talent to win the east. This is coaching. Not getting at least 40 wins out of this roster is impressive but in a bad way. They only saving grace is that there isn’t a true top dog in the conference. So you guys could flip a switch in the playoffs like the Petes did last season and maybe still make a run.

 

[Wiserbud]

The team has plenty of talent to win the east. This is coaching. Not getting at least 40 wins out of this roster is impressive but in a bad way. They only saving grace is that there isn’t a true top dog in the conference. So you guys could flip a switch in the playoffs like the Petes did last season and maybe still make a run.

Not without goaltending.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

My Musty bobble head came with an apple turnover coupon for some reason

This team is eerily similar to the 13-14 team. Questionable coach in Paul Fixter,
Wolves were hot heading into the deadline, leading the Central Division. Team deadspinned afterwards, eventually losing the central division to North Bay in the last few weeks of the season. We went on to lose to Barrie in 5 games.

This team is very similar to every Leaf team I ever cheered for. Im use to the frustration but I’m an old man who never gives up hope.

 

[Kingpin794]

Not without goaltending.

Goal 1- 2 on 1. Not on the goalie

Goal 2- No one with a stick in the lane. Wide open lane to put a cross ice pass through. Easy one timer.

Goal 3- PP.

Goal 4- essentially a 2 on 1. Pass slips by last defender. Forward walks in with almost no resistance.

Goal 5- this one you could blame on the goalie. Made the initial save but gives up the rebound.

Goal 6- looks like it was tipped. Not boxing out guys out front.

Goal 7- unfortunate bounce to open man in the slot. Easy shot. It happens.

Goal 8- empty net

I’ve got one bad goal. Going to guess most games have similar break downs. There are always 10 other things teams need to work on before they start blaming the goalie. Always.