Stutzle goal called off due to “interference”

[BagHead]

I really thought I was going to come in here and, as is the case with most of this type of thread, think to myself "ehh, I can see their argument but it's so close that the call is fine." That was not the case this time. That was a really bad call. If a guy winding up and tapping your stick causes you to drop it, that's not his fault, it's yours for not holding your stick with anything but limp noodles. It would have been bad to call a "dive" here, as it wasn't intentional by Svech, but it would also have been closer to reality.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That's been a penalty call all season. Sorry.

Nope, we’ve never seen a call like that, where the opposing player isn’t even close enough to slash Stutzle,
He couldn’t even reach him with one hand on the stick, leaning forwards.

 

[LuckyPierre]

Ok but that doesn't mean the Sens need to make brainless self-inflicted mistakes to exacerbate the situation.

That line change was a completely valid penalty and took the game from 1-1 to 3-1. That’s not on the officials.

It created a 5 on 3 advantage where Ottawa conceded a goal. And for the 5 on 3, the other penalty call was objectively the wrong call as there was no slash. So yes, it was still on the officials as that penalty had not yet been killed off.

Again, I agree that the too many men call was valid in isolation.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Ahhh got it, so refs give Pinto a penalty for something he never did.

I don’t think anyone think Pinto was anything but a phantom call. What he’s saying is the Sens made a point of agitating the goalie all night, particularly Tkachuk who was standing at the top of the crease after every whistle to posture and stare him down. That meant the refs were having to police the crease constantly, and lo and behold you end up with a penalty where a guy is crashing for a rebound. It’s a bad call, no doubt, but also one that occurred in the context of what the refs had warned the Sens to stop doing.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It created a 5 on 3 advantage where Ottawa conceded a goal. And for the 5 on 3, the other penalty call was objectively the wrong call as there was no slash. So yes, it was still on the officials as that penalty had not yet been killed off.

Again, I agree that the too many men call was valid in isolation.

The Pinto penalty had absolutely been killed off. Sens had possession with 8 seconds remaining and prepared to make that final clearing dump. That’s a successful penalty kill.

The TMM penalty changed everything by putting the puck back in their zone down 2 defenders, which is what started the two goal sequence.

To be fair to the coaches and the Sens bench, it really came down to whoever the forechecking forward was, who decided to just drift off the ice. If he moves his feet, his replacement comes on the ice at a reasonable time and none of this happens.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I don’t think anyone think Pinto was anything but a phantom call. What he’s saying is the Sens made a point of agitating the goalie all night, particularly Tkachuk who was standing at the top of the crease after every whistle to posture and stare him down. That meant the refs were having to police the crease constantly, and lo and behold you end up with a penalty where a guy is crashing for a rebound. It’s a bad call, no doubt, but also one that occurred in the context of what the refs had warned the Sens to stop doing.

This, the Sens were trying to rattle the AHL goalie the Canes had to rely on after their 1 and 2 were hurt, which culminated in a penalty.

 

[GOilers88]

He still made the guy lose his stick even if it was a weak. You aren't allowed to knock someones stick out of their hands.

When does it go from a player meekly letting his stick go on contact to someone actually slashing hard enough to cause the stick to be pulled from a grip? I see players dropping their sticks all over the ice every night with varying degrees of contact. There isn't nearly the same number of penalties handed out to make me think it's a black and white rule to be enforced.

What is black and white is when someone breaks your stick when they make contact with it. I don't understand why this isn't just the benchmark. Hold onto your stick tighter.

 

[stl76]

Sure Stutzle making contact with Svechnikov’s stick knocks it out of his hand but how much of that is a result of Svechnikov being behind the play and having to reach in with one hand and attempting to lift is stick to impede Stutzle’s shooting motion? There’s context that has to be applied to every play and the ref failed to understand what was happening on the play and made a bad call. It resulting in a goal being waved off in a one goal game makes it worse.

Is Stutzle not allowed to get his stick in an advantageous position because Svhecnikov has his stick in the air while reaching with one hand? Is he supposed to just accept that his stick is going to be tied up?

He's not allowed to knock a stick out of a defenders hands. Stutzle knew what he was doing. The refs didn't fail to understand anything, it's a little soft but they made the correct call. I don't blame Ottawa fans for not liking how the play turned out, but frankly this is not even worthy of a thread IMO.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Ahhh got it, so refs give Pinto a penalty for something he never did.

Nope never said that. It may have been borderline from a particular point of view but… as I noted, .in my 60+ years of hockey refs often will make a call to keep a game under control. You can’t keep on running goalies.

The orlov call was bad, but those types of bad calls happen almost every game. The call on Stutzle was absolutely brutal and in no way comparable. Pinto literally slashed the ice, regardless of the exchange between Martin and the ref, if they wanted to make a point to the Sens they could've called something weak that actually could be construed as a penalty, there was plenty of stick work in that game. Justifying the Pinto call is blind homerism.

Ah the blind homerism makes me chuckle. That is a big part of these boards and quite frankly a reason why the OP was started.

 

[ijuka]

So dramatic in here. He slashed the guys stick out of his hands who wasnt part of the play so he couldn’t defend against that pass. It’s a penalty. You dont need to be “strong on your stick” when the puck isnt anywhere near you.

He didn't even see the guy. He just put his stick on the ice to prepare to take the shot. There's zero extra motion involved.

It's not an automatic slashing call if you drop your stick.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

You’re playing in the highest level in your sport. You should be able to hold onto your stick when it’s lifted. In baseball, a catcher drops a pitch in the strike zone with the batter looking it’s usually called a ball. It’s the big leagues, catch the ball or hold onto your stick if it’s lifted

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He's not allowed to knock a stick out of a defenders hands. Stutzle knew what he was doing. The refs didn't fail to understand anything, it's a little soft but they made the correct call. I don't blame Ottawa fans for not liking how the play turned out, but frankly this is not even worthy of a thread IMO.

That's basically how I see it as well.

Personally I think it's a soft call and am generally of the mindset of "hold on to your stick better" but the refs call that penalty most of the time when a player gets the stick slashed out of his hands.

 

[CornerStone61]

Nope never said that. It may have been borderline from a particular point of view but… as I noted, .in my 60+ years of hockey refs often will make a call to keep a game under control. You can’t keep on running goalies.


Ah the blind homerism makes me chuckle. That is a big part of these boards and quite frankly a reason why the OP was started.

If you think the Pinto call was anything other than horrible reffing I don't know what to tell you. You justifying it is definitely blind homerism and there isn't any worth continuing this conversation.

 

[Dotter]

I think Ottawa sucks and I hope they continue to suck, but that was a bad call. Should have been a goal.

 

[Korpse]

He's not allowed to knock a stick out of a defenders hands. Stutzle knew what he was doing. The refs didn't fail to understand anything, it's a little soft but they made the correct call. I don't blame Ottawa fans for not liking how the play turned out, but frankly this is not even worthy of a thread IMO.

It’s not forceful, but Svechnikov is reaching with one hand on his stick and it’s in the air, he doesn’t have a firm grip on his stick so any inadvertent contact is going to knock the stick on his hand. Hold a stick with one hand and try and have it in the air as a stick comes down on it, it’s not going to take much for that stick to be knocked out of your hand. The standard isn’t nor should it be that if a player loses his stick it’s a penalty.

 

[stl76]

It’s not forceful, but Svechnikov is reaching with one hand on his stick and it’s in the air, he doesn’t have a firm grip on his stick so any inadvertent contact is going to knock the stick on his hand. Hold a stick with one hand and try and have it in the air as a stick comes down on it, it’s not going to take much for that stick to be knocked out of your hand. The standard isn’t nor should it be that if a player loses his stick it’s a penalty.

The standard is you can’t purposefully knock someone’s stick out of their hands or you risk getting called for interference. Sometimes the refs miss it or simply let it go, but they didn’t in this case. It is what it is.

 

[Korpse]

The standard is you can’t purposefully knock someone’s stick out of their hands or you risk getting called for interference. Sometimes the refs miss it or simply let it go, but they didn’t in this case. It is what it is.

That’s a big assumption that the action was to purposely knock the stick out of his hand.

 

[stl76]

That’s a big assumption that the action was to purposely knock the stick out of his hand.

Lol it’s really not. There is no need to swing your stick back as far as Stutzle did if you're only trying to get your shot off. He knew what he was doing.

But you’re an Ottawa fan, you’re coming at this from a certain perspective and that’s fine. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Korpse]

Lol it’s really not. There is no need to swing your stick back as far as Stutzle did if you're only trying to get your shot off. He knew what he was doing.

But you’re an Ottawa fan, you’re coming at this from a certain perspective and that’s fine. We can agree to disagree.

I forgot every play on a stick is to intentionally knock it out of someone’s hand and that everyone who disagrees is an Ottawa fan.

 

[Look Up]

Came here for the dive, leaving somewhat disappointed.

 

[JD1]

That's basically how I see it as well.

Personally I think it's a soft call and am generally of the mindset of "hold on to your stick better" but the refs call that penalty most of the time when a player gets the stick slashed out of his hands.

You're right. Most of the time a guy gets his stick slashed out of his hands results in a penalty.

But have you ever seen a play like this one? Where the slasher was being chased down by the slasher? And the knocking the stick out of the hands comes from the slasher raising his stick as he sets up to shoot

I've never seen this happen this way before. It's a weird play. And likely should not have been called

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

You're right. Most of the time a guy gets his stick slashed out of his hands results in a penalty.

But have you ever seen a play like this one? Where the slasher was being chased down by the slasher? And the knocking the stick out of the hands comes from the slasher raising his stick as he sets up to shoot

I've never seen this happen this way before. It's a weird play. And likely should not have been called

It's a weird circumstance for sure but I'm guessing in realtime it looked more like the stick was intentionally slashed out of his hands. And I don't think that's reviewable.

 

[Micklebot]

Guys on Coming in Hot asked Dave Jackson about this one, says the ref got it wrong,

starts at around 10 mins in

 

[Golden_Jet]

Guys on Coming in Hot asked Dave Jackson about this one, says the ref got it wrong,

starts at around 10 mins in

Ya I’m sure the league told them it was a bad call as well, we just don’t hear about it.

 

[RedHawkDown]

It's a soft call but he pretty clearly knocks the stick out of his hands. I'm actually quite shocked this is 7 pages long.