Player Discussion Stuart Skinner

[OilerFanInLangley]

Skinner's shutouts are the worst thing that happened to this team during the playoffs.

Pickard 6-0
Skinner 7-6

This is Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog all over again. One guy just always wins when he gets the start but the other guy gets all the starts no matter how many games he costs the team.

 

[Spawn]

3.14gaa, .868 sv%, -3.26 GSAA

3.74gaa, .866 sv%, -3.30 GSAA

Same goalie one year apart, first 3 games of each Stanley cup finals

Skinner is nothing if not consistent.

 

[Renopucker]

3.14gaa, .868 sv%, -3.26 GSAA

3.74gaa, .866 sv%, -3.30 GSAA

Same goalie one year apart, first 3 games of each Stanley cup finals

Skinner is nothing if not consistent.

Hard to argue with those numbers. Let’s face it, if they Oil don’t post a W tomorrow night, It’s brutally tough to run the table on those Turds.

 

[K1984]

It would be nice for them to go with Pickard because he's actually decent at helping move the puck. Would help the Oilers get out more.

To me this is as critical as anything else when comparing them in this series. Skinner is doing the thing where he takes an incredibly casual approach to getting out to play it no matter the pressure, often f***s it up, and then casually meanders back to his net no matter what's happening.

 

[bellagiobob]

Skinner's shutouts are the worst thing that happened to this team during the playoffs.

Pickard 6-0
Skinner 7-6

This is Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog all over again. One guy just always wins when he gets the start but the other guy gets all the starts no matter how many games he costs the team.

I loved Fuhr, he was money in the playoffs, but interestingly enough Moog had the better regular season record in the 5 years that were a full time tandem in Edmonton. Fuhr had a 120-51-19 record and Moog 137-45-21. Moog didn't get in too many playoff games during those five years, but still had a very good 18-5 record, My recollection of Moog is that he was an excellent 1B goalie, played well when called upon, and I don't really have the memory of him constantly costing us games.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Bob is outplaying Stu

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Bob is outplaying Stu

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As expected

 

[Little Fury]

Bob is outplaying Stu

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What's interesting is that people want to run the guy with the lower xGA.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Absolute BS. Oilers were the better club in games 1 and 2. Goaltending was the clear difference. You're not even an Oilers fan what are you doing here?

We aren't hearing the "everyone was bad but Stu" narrative from anyone but trolls and non-fans. Yes, everyone was bad in the last game, but Stu was especially bad and probably our worst player.

What's interesting is that people want to run the guy with the lower xGA.

What's interesting is that the people defending Skinner's awful performance only care about stats when it favors Stu and seem to love bashing our undefeated goalie. Why in McDavid's name is anyone bashing Pickard when he hasn't even lost a game or put forth a single terrible performance in these playoffs?

Like I said, rational fans will praise him when he earns it and bash him when he's poor. But the Skinner Cult will spew out pure fiction to tell us that no goal is his fault and any bad game is purely the fault of the team in front of him. What a weird bunch of people.

 

[Drivesaitl]

We aren't hearing the "everyone was bad but Stu" narrative from anyone but trolls and non-fans. Yes, everyone was bad in the last game, but Stu was especially bad and probably our worst player.



What's interesting is that the people defending Skinner's awful performance only care about stats when it favors Stu and seem to love bashing our undefeated goalie. Why in McDavid's name is anyone bashing Pickard when he hasn't even lost a game or put forth a single terrible performance in these playoffs?

Games, and the way a game goes is established at outset in hockey which is a momentum game. A goalie shitting the bed throwing himself down on the ice and giving up a wide open net and free goal to Marchant 57secs into the contest is the worst way possible to start. Games have an organic flow like that. Circumstances that occur during games influence the path and outcome of those games. Shit Skinner sure influenced it adversely.

 

[Little Fury]

What's interesting is that the people defending Skinner's awful performance only care about stats when it favors Stu and seem to love bashing our undefeated goalie. Why in McDavid's name is anyone bashing Pickard when he hasn't even lost a game or put forth a single terrible performance in these playoffs?

I haven't seen anyone bashing Pickard. He's been great and done everything he's been asked to do. But it's a simple fact that his individual numbers are actually worse than Skinner's. That's not a slam on him or gassing up Skinner, it's a statement of fact.

Like I said, rational fans will praise him when he earns it and bash him when he's poor. But the Skinner Cult will spew out pure fiction to tell us that no goal is his fault and any bad game is purely the fault of the team in front of him. What a weird bunch of people.

Not sure who is in this cult, but in the words of Bob Dylan, it ain't me babe.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I haven't seen anyone bashing Pickard. He's been great and done everything he's been asked to do. But it's a simple fact that his individual numbers are actually worse than Skinner's. That's not a slam on him or gassing up Skinner, it's a statement of fact.



Not sure who is in this cult, but in the words of Bob Dylan, it ain't me babe.

Any mention of Pickards success all regular season was met with "he ain't nothing, he only plays weak clubs" That was basically the Pickard backlash by the Skinner Stans all season. We all saw it.

Not a peep from them that Skinner is .500 against playoff clubs, was worse than that during regualr season and that Pickard is 6-0 against playoff clubs. They can't use the poor opposition shade anymore so they don't even post anymore. Several have gone away....lol

 

[MessierThanThou]

I haven't seen anyone bashing Pickard. He's been great and done everything he's been asked to do. But it's a simple fact that his individual numbers are actually worse than Skinner's. That's not a slam on him or gassing up Skinner, it's a statement of fact.

We have people on here posting Pickard's save percentages to argue that he sucks. Funny enough, Pickard has never given up more than four goals in a game...how many times has Skinner?

As many have said already, Skinner has had better individual game performances (three twenty-plus-save shutouts is impressive regardless of how well the team plays), but can crater much worse than Pickard. So in the games where he's good, he's really good, but when he's bad, there is no limit to how low he gets. So overall, his great performances keep his numbers looking pretty, but also hide just how atrocious he can actually be. Pickard might not have the same highs, but he's never been anywhere close to as bad as Skinner has been in his worst performances.

 

[bodechek]

How is that the Pickard rescues the Oilers' playoff drive, but then takes a back seat to Skinner? Why hasn't the Oilers move on from Skinner by now? The Oilers are not my first team (but they are my second) and I just don't understand why they continue to run with this guy and why have they not replaced him?

 

[MessierThanThou]

How is that the Pickard rescues the Oilers' playoff drive, but then takes a back seat to Skinner? Why hasn't the Oilers move on from Skinner by now? The Oilers are not my first team (but they are my second) and I just don't understand why they continue to run with this guy and why have they not replaced him?

Because Pickard's save percentage is lower or something. Oh, and because every bad game Skinner has is apparently the fault of the entire team and has nothing to do with him whatsoever.

The cult is real.

 

[Dolemite]

Absolute BS. Oilers were the better club in games 1 and 2. Goaltending was the clear difference. You're not even an Oilers fan what are you doing here?

Look up the GDT’s from the Oilers 06 run.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Look up the GDT’s from the Oilers 06 run.

I'm aware of it. you haven't been an Oilers fan for nearly two decades.

 

[OilerFanInLangley]

My recollection of Moog is that he was an excellent 1B goalie, played well when called upon, and I don't really have the memory of him constantly costing us games.

Aside from 8 games that he lost against the Islanders, back when the Oilers were a young team, he only lost 1 other playoff game.

 

[rboomercat90]

How is that the Pickard rescues the Oilers' playoff drive, but then takes a back seat to Skinner? Why hasn't the Oilers move on from Skinner by now? The Oilers are not my first team (but they are my second) and I just don't understand why they continue to run with this guy and why have they not replaced him?

You aren’t the only one. None of us understand this.

 

[David71]

stuart was good tonight. he made a diving save in the first 10mins when it was 0-0. dont think he deserved to get pulled at all. all clean shots went through him when it was 3-0 cats.

 

[guymez]

stuart was good tonight. he made a diving save in the first 10mins when it was 0-0. dont think he deserved to get pulled at all. all clean shots went through him when it was 3-0 cats.

He was good tonight. The team in front of him was absolute garbage.

There was no excuse (after getting their asses kicked in game 3) to come out that flat in the first period.
An embarrassing period after they embarrassed themsleves the game before.
4 periods of embarrassing hockey.
Something had to be done and clearly Knoblauch made the right call by pulling him.
The team needed a shake up in the worst way.

 

[Spawn]

stuart was good tonight. he made a diving save in the first 10mins when it was 0-0. dont think he deserved to get pulled at all. all clean shots went through him when it was 3-0 cats.

Both Tkachuk goals were mediocre. On the first goal he once again can’t be bothered to look around a screen. Second one was a shot in his bread basket that never should have resulted in a rebound for the easy Tkachuk goal.

Hopefully Pickard continues his unbeaten streak and we never see Skinner in net for this team again.

 

[Leafshater67]

Even NOW, after consistent failure some people defend this guy. It’s unbelievable and I’ve never seen anything quite like it. He could let in 17 goals on 17 shots and they’d still blame the defence.

I think he’s probably a good dude and good teammate on a personal level and it’s insane to harass him and his family but holy shit this team needs to get rid of him in the offseason. Like, literally anywhere. If they don’t win a cup, oilers fans sneed to run their front office and goalie coach out of town and they should probably do the latter anyways, cup or not.

I’m sure he could be a decent AHL goalie but he’s simply not good enough. This is like the Dan Cloutier saga in Vancouver but somehow worse. He’s lost his net 3 times in the last 2 years. It’s incredible what the oilers were able to do in spite of having a sub-.900 goalie but the Skinner era has to be over. Pickard inherited a horrible situation but damn this team owes him a lot for bailing them out two years in a row so far.

 

[Drivesaitl]

stuart was good tonight. he made a diving save in the first 10mins when it was 0-0. dont think he deserved to get pulled at all. all clean shots went through him when it was 3-0 cats.

The claim that Skinner was good tonight is not seeing the problems the club has with him in net.

Nor should this be viewed within the perspective of one period or one game. The team has mroe trouble with transition, with zone outs, with confidence playing against the Cats with Skinner in net. Nothing could be more clear and several other reasons for that.

On the play you mention Bennett made a poor shot by his standards on what should be an automatic goal in situation. Skinner only got to that stop because Bennett actually put the shot where Skinner could get it, and instead of putting it in left side of cage he screwed up and put it right. The only reason he didn't score there.

Skinner was pulled in anycase in a game everybody here was saying he should be "on a tight leash" suddenly when it actually happens some posters critique the pull. Even as people were saying he should be pulled after he gives up a couple in first if it happens.

Next the goal by goal defenses of Skinner ignore that the function of goalies is to make stops and even difficult stops. Skinner let in 3 goals on 17shots in one period. Left in its pretty much fait accompli that Panthers would have scored around 7 last night. I say that because the chances continued to occur for Florida. After a bad 2nd period the Panthers still tested Pickard but did again in third and OT. He was mostly flawless and by any account saved the game for the Oilers. Indeed almost any pundit, publication, news source is saying exactly that, Pickard saved the game.

The other side of that is of course that Skinner wouldn't have. Panthers had 6 chances on Pickard of a variety that Skinner would not stop, and types of plays he seldom stops. Including the beauty on Bennett in OT that was surely a winning goal that Pickard erased.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Even NOW, after consistent failure some people defend this guy. It’s unbelievable and I’ve never seen anything quite like it. He could let in 17 goals on 17 shots and they’d still blame the defence.

I think he’s probably a good dude and good teammate on a personal level and it’s insane to harass him and his family but holy shit this team needs to get rid of him in the offseason. Like, literally anywhere. If they don’t win a cup, oilers fans sneed to run their front office and goalie coach out of town and they should probably do the latter anyways, cup or not.

I’m sure he could be a decent AHL goalie but he’s simply not good enough. This is like the Dan Cloutier saga in Vancouver but somehow worse. He’s lost his net 3 times in the last 2 years. It’s incredible what the oilers were able to do in spite of having a sub-.900 goalie but the Skinner era has to be over. Pickard inherited a horrible situation but damn this team owes him a lot for bailing them out two years in a row so far.

Seems like its a flaw in the thinking about it. Here goes:

Skinner defendants will claim Skinner had no chance on a certain shot. They will go on goal by goal to breakdown each one saying that. They alternately say things like the team needs to play within its game because Skinner can only make saves of a particular difficulty. They will then shift responsibility for GA away from Skinner judging the D or players in front were not perfect on said play. This combined with the tendency to view increasing chances as "not Skinners fault" because he doesn't have the movement capability to make that sort of stop. They actually absolve Skinner due to his limited skillset and this somehow works in their mind.

Nowhere do the Skinner apologists even seemingly grasp that Skinners goal against is untenable in certain games against certain teams. Indeed in game 2 at 27min mark Skinner had already allowed 4 goals in 27mins. That prorates to nine. Again last night 3 goals in 20mins prorates to 9. This doesn't occur to them at anytime. Its just "Skinner was fine" even though the goals allowed are wildly inordinate to what can occur.

But the worst is that when they say "It doesn't matter who would be in net the team played so bad" Well it does. Quality goalies get to more of those saves. They can make more saves and have the skillsets to make those saves. Indeed last night was a canvas of demonstration in the same game. Pickard made saves on plays across 4X that Skinner would simply not get to. Picks made a stop on a screen Skinner probably doesn't see. Picks made a reaction save to a puck that was flying over him and into net. Skinner wouldn't read that at all or have the quick coordination to make that. Theres no way Skinner gets the Bennett save in OT. That was labeled. Only Picks getting a glove on that had it hit goalpost.