Strome, Vatrano, Copp
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tlk
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I liked Copp and his tinted visor. Always was going to get payed somewhere else.
Without getting into too much analysis, at a discount I'd take him in a jiffy. But I don't know anything))
Vatrano fitted and probably still fits the need of the team.
PS forgot to add something about Strome. But that's because nothing's needed)) IMO he's a diff case to the other two. Stayed a year or two too many, probably held Chyt's development too.
Without getting into too much analysis, at a discount I'd take him in a jiffy. But I don't know anything))
Vatrano fitted and probably still fits the need of the team.
PS forgot to add something about Strome. But that's because nothing's needed)) IMO he's a diff case to the other two. Stayed a year or two too many, probably held Chyt's development too.
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I think it's safe to say that any of the players would have more points if they were still on the Rangers. Vatrano and Strome are playing for one of the worst offensive teams in the league, and Copp's team, while better, is still behind the Rangers.
It's all moot anyway. We could never have afforded them all. We couldn't have afforded 2 of them. In the end, it came down to one of Strome, Copp or Trocheck. Trocheck is a better center than either of the other two.
It's all moot anyway. We could never have afforded them all. We couldn't have afforded 2 of them. In the end, it came down to one of Strome, Copp or Trocheck. Trocheck is a better center than either of the other two.
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Vatrano was awful in every situation with the exception of shooting. If he was set up, he had the ability to bury the puck. Otherwise, he was a liability.
Synergy27
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I imagine this thread will get deleted, but:
This also doesn’t include missed open nets per 60, or faceoff percentage (Tro is 56% on them vs. Strome’s 43%).
This also doesn’t include missed open nets per 60, or faceoff percentage (Tro is 56% on them vs. Strome’s 43%).
Strome and Vatrano are on one of the worst offensive teams in the league. Not a fair comparison. Plus Vatrano Is on pace to have a career production season on a shitty Ducks team, so yeah.
Just to add moving on from Strome was the right move, Vatrano, I’m a little on the fence with , and Copp have not watched him enough to make an opinion on him.
Just to add moving on from Strome was the right move, Vatrano, I’m a little on the fence with , and Copp have not watched him enough to make an opinion on him.
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KevinFinnerty
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I think Copp is better than Trochek. Copper was a PPG player for us. It's just he costs more and is a bit older.
We should have paid more for Vatrano and kept him for the 3+ he got.
Copp was a sugar high we were not extending in any event = waste of assets spent to acquire.
Concur w/bold
eff bread insisting we keep Strome. They should have moved him. If they couldn't get 2nd, then even 3rd/3rd+ I could more than live with.
Rs pissing away draft picks = stupidity that will eventually come back to bite in the ass, if not otherwise than certainly in opportunity cost(s). For example, the late 1st we coughed up for Copp could have been repurposed with add to get better valued prospects than we did, or even better later first pick.
Copp and Tro are roughly Coke + Pepsi to extent Copp = a bit bigger, tougher and Tro a better skater, but ballpark comparable.
But everything else, Tro is better player imo
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I don't buy the argument particularly on Copp and Vatrano who are really middle 6 (2nd/3rd line) forwards. The added production they gave the Rangers was partially playing with better players but both were good 200' players particularly Copp who is a Swiss Army Knife kind of player. I think Vatrano's numbers are pretty much where you'd expect them to be. Particularly on Copp the issue is more what Detroit gave him for a contract. He's a good player though but point production is never really been his biggest asset.
Strome doesn't have Panarin on his wing anymore. They had good chemistry and the only Ducks winger who has anything approaching Panarin's talent is Terry and he plays mostly with Zegras.
Strome doesn't have Panarin on his wing anymore. They had good chemistry and the only Ducks winger who has anything approaching Panarin's talent is Terry and he plays mostly with Zegras.
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Small sample size. He hasn't done that at any other point in his career.
Larrybiv
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This. Kane+Tarasenko>>>Copp+Vatrano, what would you prefer?
Strome is what it WAS. Trochek is certainly better than Strome, but don't tell Panarin that. He went and had major withdrawals being without his line buddy.
Only time will tell, how much better off we are. Cup appearance (at the least) or this is a bust, especially if we're not able to swing keeping them. (Which I think we will, somehow)
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In a vacuum, I like Trocheck’s game more than Strome’s game. But objectively speaking, Panarin paced 105++ points every year partnered here with Strome. This year he’s pacing 90. So this is not a cut and dry “look at Trocheck vs Strome pt totals this year” comparison.
But they are offensive players. Part of the reason Anaheim is one of the worst offensive teams is their play.
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i'm very happy we picked Trochek over the other 2 but they would definitely be better on the Rangers.
The reason Anaheim is struggling offensively is not because of Strome or Vatrano. It’s because of their defense and poor structure and system. They have only one Top 4 guy, and they are always defending and pinned in their own zone. Very hard to generate any offense.
They all had their moments
People crap on Trotchek but he’s a big improvement on Strome
Copp likely has a. Bounce back year next season but he’s more of a real good 3C
Vatrano is also more of a 3rd line guy but Ducks could afford to pay him more in their rebuild filler years
People crap on Trotchek but he’s a big improvement on Strome
Copp likely has a. Bounce back year next season but he’s more of a real good 3C
Vatrano is also more of a 3rd line guy but Ducks could afford to pay him more in their rebuild filler years
dispute da bold
I'd take Vatrano who we got for a 4th as a steal, and would be happy w/up to a 2nd for him, and him extended reasonable #s to approx what he got instead of us doing stupid accommodating Galant w/Carpenter and another bum or 2 [leShitShow] and not listening to bern
Vat + assets + cap >>> Tara + Kane
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Yeah that’s what I said on pace for a career production year.
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Strome was one of the most overrated players with the Rangers, who was cast in a top line role. If usage can hold players back, usage can also make mediocre players appear a lot better than they were.
His game was a little bit reminiscent of Stepan's at times, and the organization, having not really developed centers - in my opinion - in the wake of Stepan's exit, felt compelled to try and get a poor man's Stepan.
I really thought we should have moved on from Strome after 2020.
His game was a little bit reminiscent of Stepan's at times, and the organization, having not really developed centers - in my opinion - in the wake of Stepan's exit, felt compelled to try and get a poor man's Stepan.
I really thought we should have moved on from Strome after 2020.
Larrybiv
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Okay Bern, whatever. I'm not playing super deep GM, regardless of "assets" that 1/8 of the time turns into an actual "asset"..................well, I would rather have what we have gotten. Even if quite possibly that it's only for 1 year. Winning the cup is a win win. Almost winning a cup is a win, with either or BOTH wanting to finish the job that barely alluded them.
Okay Bern, whatever. I'm not playing super deep GM, regardless of "assets" that 1/8 of the time turns into an actual "asset"..................well, I would rather have what we have gotten. Even if quite possibly that it's only for 1 year. Winning the cup is a win win. Almost winning a cup is a win, with either or BOTH wanting to finish the job that barely alluded them.
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