24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[izlez]

Where is ASP playing on the PP, iyo?

I've definitely been picturing both Ed and ASP on PP2 for the next couple years

 

[Ulysses31]

Larkin wasn't extended early, Raymond wasn't extended early, Seider was extended early. Shit, Even Patrick Kane wasn't extended until the eve of Free Agency.

I would be very surprised if Ed is signed this summer.

ya i agree, not SY style to sign early

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I've definitely been picturing both Ed and ASP on PP2 for the next couple years

I am probably in the minority here, but I don't see Ed as a viable, regular PP option at the NHL level. I think Seider, ASP and two forwards will be a better option. That said, I have been wrong before about these things.

 

[Chris Langlois]

I am probably in the minority here, but I don't see Ed as a viable, regular PP option at the NHL level. I think Seider, ASP and two forwards will be a better option. That said, I have been wrong before about these things.

Ed would be better than seider on the pp long term imo. He's a better passer than seider and seider rarely shoots the puck.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Ed would be better than seider on the pp long term imo. He's a better passer than seider and seider rarely shoots the puck.

All three of Seider, Ed, and ASP can be on the two PPs given where they play on them.

 

[lilidk]

I don't know what is trade pitch , but
Zegras for Veleno, Gus and first

 

[lilidk]

Trade Pitch Sees Red Wings Acquiring $17 Million Star in 3-Player Blockbuster

A trade pitch has the Detroit Red Wings acquiring Trevor Zegras in a three-player blockbuster with the Anaheim Ducks.

heavy.com

 

[MabusIncarnate]

Trade Pitch Sees Red Wings Acquiring $17 Million Star in 3-Player Blockbuster

A trade pitch has the Detroit Red Wings acquiring Trevor Zegras in a three-player blockbuster with the Anaheim Ducks.

heavy.com

Red Wings acquire:

• Trevor Zegras

Ducks acquire:

• Joe Veleno
• Erik Gustafsson
• 2205 first-round pick

I can live with giving up the 2205 1st overall I won't be alive to miss it.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Red Wings acquire:

• Trevor Zegras

Ducks acquire:

• Joe Veleno
• Erik Gustafsson
• 2205 first-round pick

I can live with giving up the 2205 1st overall I won't be alive to miss it.

Zero shot Ducks would do that.

 

[lilidk]

Red Wings acquire:

• Trevor Zegras

Ducks acquire:

• Joe Veleno
• Erik Gustafsson
• 2205 first-round pick

I can live with giving up the 2205 1st overall I won't be alive to miss it.

We take Zegras and 200 years from now give them first, I say Good deal

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Zero shot Ducks would do that.

He, zegras, is not what this team needs

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Zegras absolutely sucks why would you guys want to use a first for him? He isn’t good defensively and isn’t producing offensively anymore. He is absolutely not worth a first round pick, use that to actually upgrade something we need.

 

[MabusIncarnate]

I don't want Zegras, I just thought the typo in the link was funny

 

[RabidBadger]

I am probably in the minority here, but I don't see Ed as a viable, regular PP option at the NHL level. I think Seider, ASP and two forwards will be a better option. That said, I have been wrong before about these things.

You better get another guy on the ice or that will be a lousy PP.

 

[Austrianwing]

You better get another guy on the ice or that will be a lousy PP.

I laugh, but actually agree that Seider and ASP might be a great combo on a PP. It would let ASP just do his thing offensively without worrying about hanging back. I wouldn't mind seeing a 2D 3F power play again somehow.
If that happens, we had better see Ed on the second unit though. Should be trying him out there already over Gus.

 

[Winger98]

Zegras absolutely sucks why would you guys want to use a first for him? He isn’t good defensively and isn’t producing offensively anymore. He is absolutely not worth a first round pick, use that to actually upgrade something we need.

Second year in a row losing significant time to injury. I wouldn't be thrilled with losing a 1st for him but he could also be a nice buy low candidate. Before the injury I remember ducks fans saying he had made some good strides defensively, too.

 

[19 for president]

I laugh, but actually agree that Seider and ASP might be a great combo on a PP. It would let ASP just do his thing offensively without worrying about hanging back. I wouldn't mind seeing a 2D 3F power play again somehow.
If that happens, we had better see Ed on the second unit though. Should be trying him out there already over Gus.

Could see ASP in a Kane/ Ray side board role, but having 3 righties in the back might not be the best bet.

I could definitely see an Ed/ ASP pp unit at some point. Ed is pretty solid about getting shots on net and his reach would help keep pucks in. I feel like having another dman would free ASP to really move and cheat in when he wants. Get Soder in front of the net and get some shots on net.

Future thoughts:

DBC/Buch (low slot)- Kasper/MBN (bumper)- Larkin (Kane Slot
Ray (high slot)-Seider

Buch/MBN (slot)-Danielson (slot/bumper)- Soder (net)
Ed (back) - ASP (rover)

I should note that I feel like these pp would get way more even time like PP units of old.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Could see ASP in a Kane/ Ray side board role, but having 3 righties in the back might not be the best bet.

I could definitely see an Ed/ ASP pp unit at some point. Ed is pretty solid about getting shots on net and his reach would help keep pucks in. I feel like having another dman would free ASP to really move and cheat in when he wants. Get Soder in front of the net and get some shots on net.

Future thoughts:

DBC/Buch (low slot)- Kasper/MBN (bumper)- Larkin (Kane Slot
Ray (high slot)-Seider

Buch/MBN (slot)-Danielson (slot/bumper)- Soder (net)
Ed (back) - ASP (rover)

I should note that I feel like these pp would get way more even time like PP units of old.

ASP will be in the ovechkin spot if he’s on a PP with Seider. I bet they ease him in though, if ASP gets PP time it will be PP2 to start.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

ASP will be in the ovechkin spot if he’s on a PP with Seider. I bet they ease him in though, if ASP gets PP time it will be PP2 to start.

Yeah people keep calling ASP a PP QB but that’s not where he normally plays nor is it his best fit.

 

[Oddbob]

Ed would be better than seider on the pp long term imo. He's a better passer than seider and seider rarely shoots the puck.

Seider is so underrated on the pp. One of his great attributes to me, is he is a lot better than most at keeping pucks in the zone on plays that usually get out or passes that are made in haste to him. Raymond in particular has no problem quickly throwing it back to Seider in tight, where other D would easily fumble it or make a bad play. Seider is great at keeping it going when it seems to be a lost cause.

He is also doing quite well in moving the puck, and has been shooting more since Todd took over the team. Not saying Ed can't be better, but right now, I don't think he is. Ed might be a better passer, but Seider has really underrated passing in my opinion.

 

[Oddbob]

Enough with the wanting of Zegras. There isn't a more overrated player on HFWings than him. Do you really want a low compete former 60 pt player that badly? He got 60 pts, he also sucked at everything else and is low compete on top of that. Also, injury or not, he is on 40 pt pace this season while bringing nothing else to the table. I would legit rather have Fabbri back, then pay Zegras whatever overpay he will get on his next deal.

All for improving the Wings, but lets actually get someone good, not a player we have seen before, cough Mantha, cough AA.

Zegras absolutely sucks why would you guys want to use a first for him? He isn’t good defensively and isn’t producing offensively anymore. He is absolutely not worth a first round pick, use that to actually upgrade something we need.

A few here also wanted to pay a 1st to get current day Fowler.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Enough with the wanting of Zegras. There isn't a more overrated player on HFWings than him. Do you really want a low compete former 60 pt player that badly? He got 60 pts, he also sucked at everything else and is low compete on top of that. Also, injury or not, he is on 40 pt pace this season while bringing nothing else to the table. I would legit rather have Fabbri back, then pay Zegras whatever overpay he will get on his next deal.

All for improving the Wings, but lets actually get someone good, not a player we have seen before, cough Mantha, cough AA.



A few here also wanted to pay a 1st to get current day Fowler.

Zegras is 23 and a former top 10 pick who came out of the gate with back to back 60+ pts . Hes not mantha or AA

There's zero doubt if he was traded to the right team he'd get 60-75. The whole ducks team is mess . Carlsson,mctavish, gauthier etc.. no ones putting up good numbers

All that being said I'd take him but not at any price but theres other guys I'd rather have ahead of him. He is in the right age of guys we should target to be on this team longterm

Not some near 30 aging vet who's best years are behind him who'll end up being the next copp,compher etc.. we cant get rid of

 

[19 for president]

Zegras is 23 and a former top 10 pick who came out of the gate with back to back 60+ pts . Hes not mantha or AA

There's zero doubt if he was traded to the right team he'd get 60-75. The whole ducks team is mess . Carlsson,mctavish, gauthier etc.. no ones putting up good numbers

All that being said I'd take him but not at any price but theres other guys I'd rather have ahead of him. He is in the right age of guys we should target to be on this team longterm

Not some near 30 aging vet who's best years are behind him who'll end up being the next copp,compher etc.. we cant get rid of

I think the tricky issue with Zegras is that we already have a bunch of small skilled wingers in the system/ team and you really can only have so many if you want to be a successful NHL team (especially in the playoffs). I could maybe see something around a Zegras/ Berggy swap, but Berg is currently playing on the 4th line. There is no point in dealing for Zegras if you don't plan to have him on a scoring line.

If you think Buch or Lombardi may be ready next season do you think their potential is greater than Zegras, again they would also likely need scoring spots to really develop and be successful.

I agree on the age range portion, but with this teams current construction I can't see us dealing or signing small wingers unless they are truly elite talent.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I think the tricky issue with Zegras is that we already have a bunch of small skilled wingers in the system/ team and you really can only have so many if you want to be a successful NHL team (especially in the playoffs). I could maybe see something around a Zegras/ Berggy swap, but Berg is currently playing on the 4th line. There is no point in dealing for Zegras if you don't plan to have him on a scoring line.

If you think Buch or Lombardi may be ready next season do you think their potential is greater than Zegras, again they would also likely need scoring spots to really develop and be successful.

I agree on the age range portion, but with this teams current construction I can't see us dealing or signing small wingers unless they are truly elite talent.

Yup agreed we have alot of kids coming , just saying its foolish to write off a 23 year old kid who's already been productive. I'd rather target a C like cozens or byfield(I know he wont be moved) someone young with alot of upside that can be a big part of the core moving forward and be here a long time

And obviously fixing our d and adding someone of significance is a big priority

 

[RedHawkDown]

I think the tricky issue with Zegras is that we already have a bunch of small skilled wingers in the system/ team and you really can only have so many if you want to be a successful NHL team (especially in the playoffs). I could maybe see something around a Zegras/ Berggy swap, but Berg is currently playing on the 4th line. There is no point in dealing for Zegras if you don't plan to have him on a scoring line.

If you think Buch or Lombardi may be ready next season do you think their potential is greater than Zegras, again they would also likely need scoring spots to really develop and be successful.

I agree on the age range portion, but with this teams current construction I can't see us dealing or signing small wingers unless they are truly elite talent.

Zegras 60-65 pt seasons are Lombardis absolute best case scenario, and would be a very good outcome for Buch too. Zegras has struggled for a few years but it’s not like he has never shown potential.