Post-Game Talk: Streak ends, Canucks win 4-1

[WolfHouse]

Well well well.

That should last about 20 mins

 

[Jack722]

Well well well.

I love it. If Dubois can then slot in between Wheels and Connor and Stas centers Harkins and Lewis then things might start looking pretty good.

Kudos to PoMo for the switch, let's see how it works and how long it lasts...

Let's find out if Copp and Ehlers get destroyed by these tougher matchups

Edit: I'm really interested to see how Schief looks in this setup without having to do as much heavy lifting.

 

[Halberdier]

Good. Top line was flat as hell last night. Need to get them going again.

I think there is a lot of potential pairing "old timers" Stastny and Wheeler together and still Connor brings in a lot of speed and scoring.

Probably the most balanced TOP-6 ever in Maurices time as a Jet coach. Late 17-18 was also nice.

 

[bustamente]

Stastny 3rd line and pp time seems about right when PLD slots in

 

[Afterburner]

Well well well.

Wheels and Chef split up?! Now I KNOW it's the end times

 

[ecolad]

Definitely skilled and still a lightweight, but is notably good at seeing where the puck is headed and then getting there first to move it out, helping to prevent that pressure from building in the first place — which has been an ongoing problem for us for a while now. How many times a game are we backed up into our zone, miss the chance to retrieve and then either fail to regain possession or regain it only briefly before missing a chance to clear or exit with possession?

I agree that some additional size with skill would be welcome, but skill and smarts are a big part of what we lack on the back end at the moment, along with some brutal link and overall D support from some of our forwards, which means our transition and o-zone play suffer also.

I totally agree with this sentiment. My own view is premised upon the notion that the Jets will never be considered as amongst one of the stronger defensive teams in the League. We should select D that will enable us to get possession of the puck and get out of our own zone as quickly/easily as possible, and then try to spend as much time as possible in the opponents end by aggressive forecheck and neutral zone play.
This means getting players like Heinola into the mix as soon as the coach`s think they are ready. I`m not a fan of Maurice`s current philosophy -namely, select D pairings so as to have a big guy with a smaller guy.

 

[DRW204]

Lol as soon as they have a bad few shifts you know ehlers and Copp are getting booted and CSW will be back.

 

[sipowicz]

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I do agree we have a " marginal D" -- but I disagree strongly with you saying very average forward group. When PLD slots in we have a very "above average" forward group.

Don't let this years scoring fool you, the Jets are playing in arguably the NHL's weakest division!

 

[tbcwpg]

That should last about 20 mins

Lol as soon as they have a bad few shifts you know ehlers and Copp are getting booted and CSW will be back.

"Maurice will never split up Wheeler and Scheifele!"

(Maurice splits them up)

"It won't last anyway!"

 

[Jack722]

Lol as soon as they have a bad few shifts you know ehlers and Copp are getting booted and CSW will be back.

Heh... yeah. I'm really hoping this is "We've analyzed the roster and this is what we feel is a more effective way to deploy" but I fear it's more "Hey you guys better play better or else we're going to do something crazy like playing Copp and Ehlers on the top line, you'd hate that wouldn't you" and will revert as soon as the "message" is received.

 

[LowLefty]

Definitely skilled and still a lightweight, but is notably good at seeing where the puck is headed and then getting there first to move it out, helping to prevent that pressure from building in the first place — which has been an ongoing problem for us for a while now. How many times a game are we backed up into our zone, miss the chance to retrieve and then either fail to regain possession or regain it only briefly before missing a chance to clear or exit with possession?

I agree that some additional size with skill would be welcome, but skill and smarts are a big part of what we lack on the back end at the moment, along with some brutal link and overall D support from some of our forwards, which means our transition and o-zone play suffer also.

As noted, I hope he brings all the things you bring up - I'm all in on giving him some starts to see where he is at over a few games against differing competition

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Ppl talking about the 19 yr old smaller puck moving D but.. there's also a bigger 6 3 ish tall Young D man also who hasn't had a shot yet.

 

[29from27and55]

Well well well.

HOLY SHIT BALLS JULIAN ITS HAPPENING!

 

[29from27and55]

"Maurice will never split up Wheeler and Scheifele!"

(Maurice splits them up)

"It won't last anyway!"

Lol this made me giggle at least thanks!

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Lol this made me giggle at least thanks!

Me 2. But I laughed in the yeah but we all know it wont last way.

 

[Do or Die]

On D, we need more puck movement/size/strength. Hence people impatiently waiting on Heiniola and Samberg....

 

[29from27and55]

On D, we need more puck movement/size/strength. Hence people impatiently waiting on Heiniola and Samberg....

Im just not a fan of pionks game in his own end we need a buff type who can control the front of the net and let morrisey do his thing and have demelo play 2nd pairing with a good puck mover

 

[10Ducky10]

Stastny 3rd line and pp time seems about right when PLD slots in

Top 6...

KC Scheif Ehlers (a line I really want to see)
Stastny PLD Wheeler

 

[Jets 31]

I hope when PLD plays we go Scheifele, PLD , Stastny , Lowry down the middle.

 

[Halberdier]

SN calling out Ehlers of all people for being poor defensively was as egregious as anything ever uttered on that network.

Ehlers was pretty poor defensively around like 16-17. That has not been the case for a long, long time. Nowadays Ehlers is better defensively than each and everyone on the usual 1st line.

 

[Duke749]

SN calling out Ehlers of all people for being poor defensively was as egregious as anything ever uttered on that network.

Most of those idiots are of the same mindset of those hedge fund guys that just lost billions. Outsmarted by a bunch of people that do what they do but as hobby.

 

[Vekke]

So annoying when wins bring out so few people yet when we lose the sky keeps falling and everyone is panicking.

Luckily there is Ottawa in Canadian division. Gives you this fall sense of succes. Lets face it the Canadian division is probably the worst in the NHL, Central is maybe close.

 

[Duke749]

Luckily there is Ottawa in Canadian division. Gives you this fall sense of succes. Lets face it the Canadian division is probably the worst in the NHL, Central is maybe close.

I mean pretty every division has at least one team that’ll get stomped by everybody else. Outside of Ottawa our division should be fairly competitive. No one should run away with our division.

 

[JetsFan815]

You drag Laine in on your every narrative. Hey, Laine is gone and Scheifele still sucks. Have you thought that, that maybe the problem has always been Scheifele and not Connor or Laine?

Even the most hardcore Connor supporters would admit that he is still very much a work in progress defensively, that is not a controversial opinion. For me Scheifele's last season is a writeoff because of the situation he played in for most of the season, even the most defensively apt players would have a difficult time in that situation.

You can affect to that on-ice sv%, and if it still stays low on larger sample size, you just happen to be bad at D. Simple as that.

+/- is stupid stat as it's screwed by PP, PK, empty netters and so fort, but 5-on-5 goal differential (or 5-on-5 +/-) is fair. It's only about sample size and 8 games is pretty low sample size. However if comparing eg. Ehlers with Wheeler and/or Connor for last 3 or 4 seasons, the sample size is huge and results are quite telling. Dutch boy happens to be good one.

7 games is far from a "larger sample" and there has been plenty of research that shows players have limited control over their on-ice sv %. I can bet money that there is no way those guys are going to be sporting a low 80s on-ice sv% by the end of the season which is in large part influencing the narratives towards them at the moment.

 

[Halberdier]

7 games is far from a "larger sample" and there has been plenty of research that shows players have limited control over their on-ice sv %. I can bet money that there is no way those guys are going to be sporting a low 80s on-ice sv% by the end of the season which is in large part influencing the narratives towards them at the moment.

8 games, not 7, but besides of that, you were quoting my words, just not reading them perhaps:

"It's only about sample size and 8 games is pretty low sample size."

Pretty low sample size. So we agree that 8 (or 7) is not nearly enough a sample size to look at results and think there weren't a lot of "luck"/variation affecting the results.

When you allow a lot of high danger scoring chances against, for sure your on-ice SV% will drop. And while CSW has done exactly that, the sample size is not nearly enough to prove that just by looking the stats.

The point is, with open eyes you can see it happening on the ice, and stats for those 8 games just seems to fit what you can see on ice. If they continue playing like that on their own end, I assure you that their stats will suck also for the remaining 48 games. I personally expect them to bounce back (on ice and then eventually also on stats), and seems that Maurice is finally adjusting the lines so we may get more balanced TOP-6 going forward.