Value of: Stoner or Bieksa to a team with cap (CAR, NJD, FLA)

[Pinkfloyd]

It would save $950 less his roster replacement. Either an ELC or Holzer ($700K). So, no real savings.

At this point, Stoner needs no roster replacement because they're already accounted for on the cap list.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yep, going to be more costly to get rid of waived Stoner than what some Anaheim fans have been thinking here.
That contract right now looks very bad and Anaheim needs cap space, so no one is making any favours.

Stoner + Montour for a mid-round pick is a deal that I'd love as a Canes fan. He would be a significant upgrade to Ryan Murphy this year and moving forward.

Waivers is the final frontier, he won't be claimed (duh) and then Murray is going to have to accept that he'll have to attach an asset to Stoner or move someone like Despres/Fowler instead.

Personally I'd rather move a 1st or Montour with Stoner because what are the odds your 1st pans out like Fowler etc? Plus Stoner is still a terrible use of cap space.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

At this point, Stoner needs no roster replacement because they're already accounted for on the cap list.

Not sure what list you're referring to. But when the season starts the cap is based on a 23 man roster plus previous buyouts/retention and guys buried in the A over $950. The 23 man roster will then include somebody else who wouldn't have been on it before.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

If the Devils are taking Stoner, Fowler is coming with him.

To NJ:
Clayton Stoner
Cam Fowler


To Anaheim:
Jon Merrill
2017 2nd round pick
2018 4th round pick

 

[dracom]

If the Devils are taking Stoner, Fowler is coming with him.

To NJ:
Clayton Stoner
Cam Fowler


To Anaheim:
Jon Merrill
2017 2nd round pick
2018 4th round pick

Hah, no way. Stoner isn't bad enough to drop Fowler's value that much.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Hah, no way. Stoner isn't bad enough to drop Fowler's value that much.

Then good luck signing Lindholm/Rakell.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Then good luck signing Lindholm/Rakell.

Haha like we have to do that deal or that's set in stone lol

 

[WTFMAN99]

Then good luck signing Lindholm/Rakell.

Haha like we have to do that deal or that's set in stone lol

My 2 cents is a prospect like Montour and a 3rd may be enough to get a team to bite on taking a guy like Stoner.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

We are not trading Montour.

You can have stoner Pettersson and a 2nd

 

[pucku33]

Bernier, Reimer = 2 goalies, 6.45M

 

[nucksauce]

Hah, no way. Stoner isn't bad enough to drop Fowler's value that much.

As much that would sting there is much worse offers available to the Ducks.

I think it might happen where the value of getting lindholm and rakell signed while staying within the budget out weighs losing value in a trade made to make room and pick up some assets.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Haha like we have to do that deal or that's set in stone lol

lol obviously not that exact deal. But its gonna be something similar to get rid of that contract. Look at the costs of getting rid of contracts nowadays.

Bickell costed Teravanein
Bolland costed Crouse
LTIR Savard costed a 2nd round pick

 

[Exit Dose]

My 2 cents is a prospect like Montour and a 3rd may be enough to get a team to bite on taking a guy like Stoner.

Now it's up to Montour AND a 3rd?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Not sure what list you're referring to. But when the season starts the cap is based on a 23 man roster plus previous buyouts/retention and guys buried in the A over $950. The 23 man roster will then include somebody else who wouldn't have been on it before.

Yeah, it's based on a 23 man roster plus all those things mentioned but your assumption that it will then include somebody else who wouldn't have been on it before is a false one. The Ducks already have six guys on their roster and on their cap list before they sign Lindholm on their blue line meaning that they don't have to bring up a replacement. And practically everyone that discusses the Ducks situation includes these people already so there isn't going to need to be a replacement for Stoner due to them waiving him and potentially assigning him to San Diego.

 

[mcpw]

Fixed

 

[TS Quint]

Bieksa won't waive for a trade, he wants to keep his family in Anaheim. Bernier is not being traded, he was acquired for a reason.

Yeah, Tornonto needed to move him as part of the Anderson trade.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Yeah, Tornonto needed to move him as part of the Anderson trade.

No, the Ducks wanted a goalie with starting experience to supplement Gibson.

 

[TS Quint]

No, the Ducks wanted a goalie with starting experience to supplement Gibson.

Just what the Ducks fans wanted a goalie with starting experience who played in the AHL last year. Lou really took you guys for a ride getting Enroth.

 

[Jumptheshark]

So Anaheim has obvious salary problems, what would it take for a team with cash to take on Stoner's 2 year at 3,25M or Bieksa's 2 years at 4M. (Note: Bieksa needs to waive his NMC I believe but he could waive for a playoff team like Florida)

Bernier could also be a trading option since he makes 4,15M for 1 year.

Bieksa is making decisions based upon family life and not winning. That was made clear awhile ago

 

[Nordic*]

Anaheim is known for stupid deals, at least lately.

Stoner's and Bieksa's deals, letting Palmieri go for a 2nd, low-balling Rakell and Lindholm, signing BOLL, letting Perron go for nothing, trading away Maroon for almost nothing, giving Heatley a contract etc.

Just stupid all around.

Wonder what the next deal is, can't wait.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Yeah, it's based on a 23 man roster plus all those things mentioned but your assumption that it will then include somebody else who wouldn't have been on it before is a false one. The Ducks already have six guys on their roster and on their cap list before they sign Lindholm on their blue line meaning that they don't have to bring up a replacement. And practically everyone that discusses the Ducks situation includes these people already so there isn't going to need to be a replacement for Stoner due to them waiving him and potentially assigning him to San Diego.

I don't see how. Regardless of all the Ducks D that get discussed, somebody will start the season in SD (Theo?, Montour?, Holzer?) if Stoner is in ANA. If Stoner gets assigned to SD, one of those three will most likely make the team when they otherwise wouldn't have.

People have been discussing many of the Ducks young D but at the end of the day, the 23 man roster will contain 23 players and one will either be Stoner or his replacement. Sending Stoner to SD will be offset on the roster, even if ends up being one less D and one more F. The size of the roster will not expand or contract based on Stoner's location.

 

[Smitty426]

Anaheim is known for stupid deals, at least lately.

Stoner's and Bieksa's deals, letting Palmieri go for a 2nd, low-balling Rakell and Lindholm, signing BOLL, letting Perron go for nothing, trading away Maroon for almost nothing, giving Heatley a contract etc.

Just stupid all around.

Wonder what the next deal is, can't wait.

Hags?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't see how. Regardless of all the Ducks D that get discussed, somebody will start the season in SD (Theo?, Montour?, Holzer?) if Stoner is in ANA. If Stoner gets assigned to SD, one of those three will most likely make the team when they otherwise wouldn't have.

People have been discussing many of the Ducks young D but at the end of the day, the 23 man roster will contain 23 players and one will either be Stoner or his replacement. Sending Stoner to SD will be offset on the roster, even if ends up being one less D and one more F. The size of the roster will not expand or contract based on Stoner's location.

It's assuming that someone that isn't already on the roster is going to be replacing him when that simply isn't true. They're all on the roster right now until the final cuts are made. There will be no off-setting because they're already there on the big roster for now.

 

[TOGuy14]

Might be able to move Stoner, but that Bieksa deal is brutal with the NMC.

Not only is he a dump, but you would also be required to protect him as well. Just awful.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Now it's up to Montour AND a 3rd?

Bottom pairing defenseman who has term and is paid over 3M per year. What do you think the cost is to take on something like that?

I think the cost is very high, we'll see what how this all plays out within a week for sure.