Proposal: Stoner in a 3 way trade

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

It was just assumed that would happen.

It may even have been a safe assumption, even in hindsight, but Despres wasn't even able to play a single full game before he had to be yanked.

Right of course with Despres out that would make sense that Murray wouldn't be able to bury Stoner in the minors. Because as it looks with despres being out long term then of course Stoner would needed to be back with Anaheim.

 

[Djp]

Pardon my ignorance, but why doesn't Anahiem just bury Stoner in the minors? Wont that give them some cap relief?

Sending him down to the minors only says $950K in salary (max AHL salary) the rest is still against anaheim's cap.

No, Stoner cleared waivers but was never sent to San Diego.

Stoner played for the Ducks yesterday vs NY Isles.

Oh okay thanks for some reason i thought he was buried in San Diego, Never mind then.

He cleared waivers so he can be freely sent down any time needed until he hits 10 games/30 days on the Anaheim roster---then he needs to re-clear waivers.



Anaheim is in a real bind with the cap.

according to capfriendly numbers they have only a few hundred thousand under the cap.

You figure Lindolm signs for $5.7M so they need to create $5.7M of free cap space.

That means they need to move a couple of players:

Fowler $4M 2 yrs left
Bieska $4M 2 yrs left
Stoner $3.25M 2 yrs left
Cogliano $3M 2 yrs left
Silfverberg $3.75M 3 yrs left


Right now they have 15 F and 8 D ( 2 forwards are injured and Lindholm unsigned)

If Lindholm is signed and 2 forwards are healthy they need to send down 3 players.

they send 3 ELCs down (2 F and 1 D) that saves them about $2.7M

If they move Stoner that will then give them almost $6M in cap space for Lindholm

LTIR can be utilized for the 2 injured to call up forward replacements.

moving Bieska gives them $6.75M in cap space for Lindholm but nobody wants him and his NMC against next years expansion draft.I am unsure if the new team still has to honor the NMC.

More teams will be interesed in Fowler, but no the issue is what can Anaheim get back that they can even afford.

If they move Fowler and have $6.75M in space, that still gives them only about $1M in cap space at best so that restricts what roster players they could get back. They would need to get back picks and prospects and ELC players.

In the receiving team for any trade most teams dont have $3M in cap space to take on a player like Stoner.

Anaheim might be forced to do salary retention and move more players. Trading Stoner and Cogliano at 50% each will give them around $3.1M in space to add to the $2.7M

 

[Smitty426]

Stoner + Montour is probably what will happen
They would t give up Theo, Lars is supposed to be a stud
A 2nd & 3rd are not enough bc of the spot they are in and GMs know it

 

[gabeliscious]

Stoner + Montour is probably what will happen
They would t give up Theo, Lars is supposed to be a stud
A 2nd & 3rd are not enough bc of the spot they are in and GMs know it

stoner and montour to leafs for hunwick @ 50%

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Stoner at 2.25 mil plus noesen/petterson and a 3rd for any elc forward

 

[Jumptheshark]

Stoner at 2.25 mil plus noesen/petterson and a 3rd for any elc forward

a half decent player on an ELC has more value then that.

Even on a bad team Stoner is 6/7 d-man

 

[FerrisRox]

Ducks are not trading a 1st round pick to get rid of 2 years of Stoner goes against our team history of drafting in 1st round.

That's probably why the Ducks still have Stoner.

 

[johna2626]

Is Stoner any good? Florida had to give up Crouse to get rid of Bolland, so I don't think a 2nd or 3rd is going to entice anyone to take Stoner. A lot of teams don't have much cap, and with the parity in the NHL right now, everyone has a chance to make the playoffs. I wouldn't get too attached to Montour or Theodore if I'm and Anaheim fan. This management doesn't seem to be too great, and it looks like they could get desperate soon. They NEED to sign Lindholm ASAP, and it amazes me that they didn't fix this in the summer

 

[johna2626]

Stoner + Montour is probably what will happen
They would t give up Theo, Lars is supposed to be a stud
A 2nd & 3rd are not enough bc of the spot they are in and GMs know it

When teams get desperate, they do things like give up Shea Theodore. No one thought the Hawks would give up Dano for the Ladd trade last summer (no, I'm not saying Dano = Theodore). But the Jets got Dano and a 1st. GM's will easily make the argument that it's really trading "Stoner + Theodore for 5th rounder + Lindholm" (i.e. Oilers fans on the Taylor Hall trade "Taylor Hall for Larsson + Lucic"). This might get messy for the Ducks

 

[lindholmie]

When teams get desperate, they do things like give up Shea Theodore. No one thought the Hawks would give up Dano for the Ladd trade last summer (no, I'm not saying Dano = Theodore). But the Jets got Dano and a 1st. GM's will easily make the argument that it's really trading "Stoner + Theodore for 5th rounder + Lindholm" (i.e. Oilers fans on the Taylor Hall trade "Taylor Hall for Larsson + Lucic"). This might get messy for the Ducks

except a team like the blackhawks can get a free player like panarin. The first doesn't matter for them much. Ducks need bluechip prospects to keep the team competitive

 

[johna2626]

except a team like the blackhawks can get a free player like panarin. The first doesn't matter for them much. Ducks need bluechip prospects to keep the team competitive

Have you seen their bottom six? Pretty terrible. Every team needs prospects. Even the Leafs had to completely tear it down. I very easily could see the Ducks management thinking they need to start pushing to win the cup. Getzlaf and Perry aren't getting younger, and it looks like they believe that they found the guy who will win a Game 7. If they could've moved Fowler and fixed the cap issue in the same move, don't you think they would've done it this summer? They have 3 great D prospects, which makes one "expendable". They look like a management who will be desperate soon.

 

[thedoughboy]

except a team like the blackhawks can get a free player like panarin. The first doesn't matter for them much. Ducks need bluechip prospects to keep the team competitive

They also need their #1 defensmen and probably best all around player. More so than a blueship prospect.

 

[Trxjw]

I think the Ducks will have to do better than a 2nd and a 3rd to get someone to take Stoner off their hands. Teams will want something tangible. Like a good prospect.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ducks are gonna have to give up a fair amount more than a 2nd and a 3rd to get rid of stoner.

Examples: Bickell, Datsyuk, Bolland.

Datsyuk is a bad example because his effective salary was zero and so Detroit did not give up much to get rid of him.

Detroit traded the 16th for the 20th + 53rd.

The Flyers traded 18th + 79th for the 22nd + 36th.

 

[GoldiFox]

The issue with the OP is that teams with the current Cap space to make this kind of deal are also budget teams. I know the Hurricanes aren't going to pay $3.25 million in cash (gambling $6.5 million if they can't find a taker) for a late 2nd round pick. The value just isn't there.

This is why it will probably take a tangible, valuable asset like Montour for teams to consider.

 

[McSuper]

Ducks trade Stoner + 2nd and 3rd round pick to a team. That team that gets the picks from Anaheim trades Stoner at 50% to another team for a pick.

What teams would be willing to do that? Anyone?

It going to cost the Ducks more then a couple of mid picks to get a team to help them . You can count out all the western teams . I can not see one of them helping the Ducks dumb salary so the can resign Lindholm . I think the Ducks are going to have to cough up something that hurts or make a hockey trade that works for both teams . Example : Vatanen to the Oilers for a Prospect and a 1st . Notice I said example so don't freak out .

 

[McSuper]

Is Stoner any good? Florida had to give up Crouse to get rid of Bolland, so I don't think a 2nd or 3rd is going to entice anyone to take Stoner. A lot of teams don't have much cap, and with the parity in the NHL right now, everyone has a chance to make the playoffs. I wouldn't get too attached to Montour or Theodore if I'm and Anaheim fan. This management doesn't seem to be too great, and it looks like they could get desperate soon. They NEED to sign Lindholm ASAP, and it amazes me that they didn't fix this in the summer

What really amazes me is they took on J Bernier contract when they never had their players signed . They could have signed a cheap back up goalie . I get they may have wanted someone more proven but really what has Bernier proven other then he isn't good enough to be a starter .

 

[dracom]

What really amazes me is they took on J Bernier contract when they never had their players signed . They could have signed a cheap back up goalie . I get they may have wanted someone more proven but really what has Bernier proven other then he isn't good enough to be a starter .

We needed someone who could handle a lot of games and still be decent. Bernier had a good season with RC and had shown flashes of brilliance while playing behind a good defense. Hell, I think he's been better than Gibson so far, but it has only been 3 games so far. And who's to say Murray didn't try to get a cheaper backup, and those players just didn't want to sign here?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

People need to realize Ducks need as much cap space as they need actual money as well. They can have $7mill in cap space and still not sign Lindholm to a $6mill a year contract due to budget.

 

[dracom]

People need to realize Ducks need as much cap space as they need actual money as well. They can have $7mill in cap space and still not sign Lindholm to a $6mill a year contract due to budget.

Budget isn't a concern right now. Similar to when we re-signed Getz and Perry, the owners will go over the budget for star players. Plus that extra expansion money helps.

 

[johna2626]

What really amazes me is they took on J Bernier contract when they never had their players signed . They could have signed a cheap back up goalie . I get they may have wanted someone more proven but really what has Bernier proven other then he isn't good enough to be a starter .

It was also the fact that Bernier had a HUGE signing bonus, and that the Leafs paid that bonus. They only had to pay Bernier about $1 million, when his cap hit is about $4 million. I have a feeling he was also part of the Anderson deal as well. They just waited till after July 1st, so the Leafs would pay the bonus.

Enroth was out there for a while. I'm honestly surprised he lasted so long. SDucks easily could've gotten him.

 

[dracom]

It was also the fact that Bernier had a HUGE signing bonus, and that the Leafs paid that bonus. They only had to pay Bernier about $1 million, when his cap hit is about $4 million. I have a feeling he was also part of the Anderson deal as well. They just waited till after July 1st, so the Leafs would pay the bonus.

Enroth was out there for a while. I'm honestly surprised he lasted so long. SDucks easily could've gotten him.

Maybe Enroth didn't want to play here? People never seem to take into account the player and where he wants/ doesn't want to play. It's not like the NHL games where you can just offer 25k more than any other team and that player will sign with your team.

 

[tony d]

Probably a 3rd round pick is what they'd get back for Stoner.

 

[Ducks in a row]

It going to cost the Ducks more then a couple of mid picks to get a team to help them . You can count out all the western teams . I can not see one of them helping the Ducks dumb salary so the can resign Lindholm . I think the Ducks are going to have to cough up something that hurts or make a hockey trade that works for both teams . Example : Vatanen to the Oilers for a Prospect and a 1st . Notice I said example so don't freak out .

A team gets 3 picks to take up a retention spot and 1,625,000 for 2 years you think it will cost more? I am having the feeling that people in these forums are just wanting to screw the Ducks. I can't believe a team wouldn't take a 2nd and 3rd round pick and a late round pick for that.

We are not trading Vatanen to the Oilers a division rival for a prospect and a pick no way using that as a example is a bad example.

 

[johna2626]

A team gets 3 picks to take up a retention spot and 1,625,000 for 2 years you think it will cost more? I am having the feeling that people in these forums are just wanting to screw the Ducks. I can't believe a team wouldn't take a 2nd and 3rd round pick and a late round pick for that.

We are not trading Vatanen to the Oilers a division rival for a prospect and a pick no way using that as a example is a bad example.

Right now, every team is contending. Later in the year, they might need that $1.6 million to strengthen the bottom six or bottom pairing. And until a second team is found for the second part of the trade, the first team is taking on the full cap hit. I can't believe you think teams should line up to help the Ducks out of this situation. The Ducks need to clear space, while no one needs to take space. So there needs to be a better offer than a 2nd and a 3rd. This deal might work around the trade deadline, with a team out of the playoffs. As of right now, no way it would happen.