Still early, but anyone else feel the Chychrun-Jensen trade might actually be a win-win trade?

[benfranklin]

Googling who Jensen is currently so no.

 

[zenator]

Both guys fit their new teams well. Win win so far.

Chychrun didn't fit the Sens as they already had Sanderson and Chabot on the left, who move the puck up ice better than Chychrun being better skaters and puckhandlers so got most of the PP time / offensive situations. It was unfair to have him on the bottom pairing with a poor partner or right side. He was bad on the right side but the large majority of NHL D-men can't play their off side well. He did have a really bad season, I'm glad he is bouncing back, he just didn't fit the Sens, dumb trade by Dorion chasing a name. Good offensive D-man with that cannon, that had to be in the top 4 on the left side with a partner that is good defensively to thrive. And get PP time. It'll be interesting to see how he helps Washington in a playoff run, scores 20+ goals, and what he'll get paid.

A veteran defender who skates well like Jensen is exactly what the Sens needed as their #4. Good salary, 2 years, which should coincide with Yakemchuk replacing him in the top 4 should his development continue to go well. He's been especially valuable with Zub out. Today he was on with Sanderson for the last minute protecting the 1 goal lead. The guy looks like he just knows what to do, not flashy but steady. Doesn't add much to the offense, but not his role. Has wheels to skate the puck up ice when required.

 

[inthewings]

So the Sens traded a 12th overall pick and two 2nd round picks for Chychurn, flipped him for a third round pick and a 34 year old "exceptionally smart defensive" stay at home 2nd pair/2nd PK Defeseman and it's a win-win? Sure.

The initial Chychrun trade was obviously a disaster for Ottawa. But OP was clearly talking about the trade with Washington.

 

[Michoulicious]

Jensen is 34 years old.

This is a bad value trade. Good for Ottawa it is working out this year, but Chychrun has way more value.

Guys like Jensen can be obtained for cheap every year.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Really liking Jensen. Glad it's working out for both teams.

 

[NyQuil]

Jensen is 34 years old.

This is a bad value trade. Good for Ottawa it is working out this year, but Chychrun has way more value.

Guys like Jensen can be obtain for cheap every year.

Well, he has no value if he walks. He's a free agent after this season.

Sens decided to get something they actually needed in the line-up (defensive-minded RD) and so far it's helped them, particularly with Zub on the shelf.

Anyway, on paper Chychrun is by far the better player but he didn't work out in Ottawa very well for whatever reason.

 

[Michoulicious]

Well, he has no value if he walks. He's a free agent after this season.

Ben Chiarot got a late 1st as a UFA to be at the deadline.

Let that sink in.

 

[SensFactor]

To be honest, Sens look more balanced now with Jensen. He's pretty good, steady.

I liked Chychrun too so glad he's doing well in Washington

 

[NyQuil]

Ben Chiarot got a late 1st as a UFA to be at the deadline.

Let that sink in.

That helps Ottawa in 3-4 years.

Ottawa and Montreal are not at the same point in the rebuild schedule.

Let that sink in.

They had a massive hole at RD in the top four and those guys are not easily available.

 

[Michoulicious]

That helps Ottawa in 3-4 years.

Ottawa and Montreal are not at the same point in the rebuild schedule.

Let that sink in.

They had a massive hole at RD in the top four and those guys are not easily available.

A smart GM could have flipped Chychrun for good futures and then used the cap space and the futures to get a good D with an age that fits the core.

Nobody is going to convince me 34 y old Nick frickin Jensen was good value for Chychrun.

 

[NyQuil]

Nobody is going to convince me 34 y old Nick frickin Jensen was good value for Chychrun.

Ok.

 

[Goose]

Value wise it's a loss for Ottawa even if Jensen fits Ottawas team more right now.

It's just poor asset control. If chychrun is a top 4D in 5 years and Jensen is long gone and Ottawa wants to compete down the road, it's poor asset control.



Chychrun being more valuable than Jensen and therefore being able to command a higher salary isn't exactly a plus for Jensen though.

It's like saying I would rather have Zack MacEwan over McDavid because McDavid will command 13M and we don't have that cap space but we have the cap space for MacEwan so we wouldn't make that swap in the summer? Yeah right.

Unless one is overpaid...but if both command market value and one gets noticeably more, it's because he's a better player or more valuable asset.

Like with stocks, price isn't a reflection of value, it's market perception of value.

I get your point, and it's valid, and I'm not disagreeing with it, but skill/production have to be weighed against other factors like roster fit, long term cap situation, coachability/room fit, dependability (injuries) etc.

I would like this trade more from the Jensen side if he was going a team like Edmonton or the Leafs, and not a rebuilding team like Ottawa, who don't need that solid defensive bang-for-buck like other cap crunched teams. Not being told who these guys play for beforehand, I would have guessed the teams were reversed based on roster/cap fit.

 

[jbeck5]

Like with stocks, price isn't a reflection of value, it's market perception of value.

I get your point, and it's valid, and I'm not disagreeing with it, but skill/production have to be weighed against other factors like roster fit, long term cap situation, coachability/room fit, dependability (injuries) etc.

I would like this trade more from the Jensen side if he was going a team like Edmonton or the Leafs, and not a rebuilding team like Ottawa, who don't need that solid defensive bang-for-buck like other cap crunched teams. Not being told who these guys play for beforehand, I would have guessed the teams were reversed based on roster/cap fit.

I agree with most.

I agree that the trade seems off for reasons, however I would not say the trade should be reversed. I see Washington as having been good the last decade, but is about to suck and go on a long rebuild, so I see them as a team that should be acquiring younger talent, and trying to get younger, so this makes sense. I also see Ottawa as a team that has been rebuilding and is young and trying to make the jump into the playoff picture, so I see them as trying to acquire veteran presence.

But I worry the sens went too old here. I'm worried that by the time the sens are ready to not just make the playoffs, but go far, Jensen will be either in a minor role, or off the team or out of the NHL.

He is however, a much better fit for the sens than chychrun.

I just wish Jensen was a few years younger. That's it.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Capitals fans are very excited about Chychrun, who has been excellent in an important role so far. John Carlson isn't the easiest defenseman to pair up with but he's done really well.

I don't think he'll get the PP time to put up numbers, but that's fine.

 

[TheNewEra]

So far Jensen has been good but lets see how he is doing in December/January since he is on the older side

 

[Midnight Judges]

Jensen was, at times, a very nice player for the Caps. He can move the puck. He's got some offensive instincts. He can pair nicely with certain types of players - in the case of the Caps he paired nicely with Orlov - who was more of a stay at home defensive defenseman.

 

[Bounces R Way]

A lot like when Dubas traded for Barrie for the Leafs I didn't see Chychrun as being a good fit on the Senators D core. Only so many prime offensive minutes to go around. That was a disaster deal on day 1 for a lot of reasons.

The Chychrun-Jensen trade is pretty whatever, but acquiring Jensen means less minutes for Trainwreck Travis Hamonic and that alone is a win for the Sens.

 

[Masked]

So far Jensen has been good but lets see how he is doing in December/January since he is on the older side

And lets see how Chychrun is doing when the motivation of being with a new team wears off since his time in Ottawa after that happened wasn't pretty.