Prospect Info: Stian Solberg

[Kalv]

I'd rather Solberg play a full year in SHL first, but we'll see. Pat's promise to not rush prospects is kind of faulty

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I'd rather Solberg play a full year in SHL first, but we'll see. Pat's promise to not rush prospects is kind of faulty

I've said it before, it's only rushing if they aren't ready. Otherwise it's just their pace

 

[Kalv]

I've said it before, it's only rushing if they aren't ready. Otherwise it's just their pace

Yes, but I think we're putting guys in the AHL as soon as we can. I am not convinced (at least yet) that is the best way for them. Albeit McIlvane seems to be able to develop young prospects, still... not convinced we're doing our best there. Despite what Pat said

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Yes, but I think we're putting guys in the AHL as soon as we can. I am not convinced (at least yet) that is the best way for them. Albeit McIlvane seems to be able to develop young prospects, still... not convinced we're doing our best there. Despite what Pat said

As far as CHL prospects go, sending them to the AHL at age 20, is pretty much just natural progression. Generally speaking, NHL prospects very rarely return for overage seasons in junior. There's a list that have, but among them are a fair number who were passed over as NHL prospects until they started to breakout as overages. Very few legit drafted prospects are held back that extra year.

Honestly as far as recent memory goes, the only young player I felt was "rushed" too quickly to support the needs of the NHL club, and possibly suffered for it in the long run - Lundy. He needed at least another year or two and maybe could have developed into more if not running on safe mode in the bigs as a teenager. I don't know that anyone else has been sent along too quickly, just a matter of development once they reach the pro level. There have been disappointments in that regard, totally agree there.

 

[Kalv]

As far as CHL prospects go, sending them to the AHL at age 20, is pretty much just natural progression. Generally speaking, NHL prospects very rarely return for overage seasons in junior. There's a list that have, but among them are a fair number who were passed over as NHL prospects until they started to breakout as overages. Very few legit drafted prospects are held back that extra year.

Honestly as far as recent memory goes, the only young player I felt was "rushed" too quickly to support the needs of the NHL club, and possibly suffered for it in the long run - Lundy. He needed at least another year or two and maybe could have developed into more if not running on safe mode in the bigs as a teenager. I don't know that anyone else has been sent along too quickly, just a matter of development once they reach the pro level. There have been disappointments in that regard, totally agree there.

Gaucher, it seems as Myatovic as well, and I'm lretty sure I'm missing some, go to AHL at 19. So only one D+1 season in the juniors. Not a fan of that yet

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Gaucher, it seems as Myatovic as well, and I'm lretty sure I'm missing some, go to AHL at 19. So only one D+1 season in the juniors. Not a fan of that yet

Those two are late birthday guys (after Sept 15) so drafted a year later than the rest of the kids in their same birth year. They just end up with an extra season of junior before being drafted and one less after, still turn 20 before the new year of their rookie pro season.

Draft uses a Sept 15th cutoff but AHL eligibility is just by birth year. Myatovic turns 20 on Dec 1st, so this will be considered his age 20 season, Gaucher turned 20 just a few weeks into this past season etc.

Solberg is another example of these late birthday prospects. He's actually turning 19 on Dec 29th, so this coming year is his age 19 season.

From this draft - Solberg and Blais are late born 05s. The rest are all 06 born, with the exception of Burnevik who was a second year eligible 05. Uljanskis doesn't even turn 18 until August 25, just four months before Solberg turns 19.

 

[Kalv]

Those two are late birthday guys (after Sept 15) so drafted a year later than the rest of the kids in their same birth year. They just end up with an extra season of junior before being drafted and one less after, still turn 20 before the new year of their rookie pro season.

Draft uses a Sept 15th cutoff but AHL eligibility is just by birth year. Myatovic turns 20 on Dec 1st, so this will be considered his age 20 season, Gaucher turned 20 just a few weeks into this past season etc.

Solberg is another example of these late birthday prospects. He's actually turning 19 on Dec 29th, so this coming year is his age 19 season.

From this draft - Solberg and Blais are late born 05s. The rest are all 06 born, with the exception of Burnevik who was a second year eligible 05. Uljanskis doesn't even turn 18 until August 25, just four months before Solberg turns 19.

I know it allows them to play in the AHL, not sure why you are explaining that to me. What I'm saying is that for those players, I am not convinced that going to AHL asap is the best way to go

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I know it allows them to play in the AHL, not sure why you are explaining that to me. What I'm saying is that for those players, I am not convinced that going to AHL asap is the best way to go

I guess what I'm saying is that everyone sends their legit prospects to the AHL at that age 20 season (barring a few exceptions) so it's not something we are doing any different with guys like Gaucher or Myatovic. Sorry if you just meant in general that no teams need to be sending them that early, I misinterpreted. But that's how it goes the majority of the time. A lot of people argue that the even the CHL guys should be allowed in the AHL D+1.

It's just become more of a young man's game in general, a lot of teams are getting their prospects in earlier than ever. There definitely are some cases that seem like stretches to me.

 

[Kalv]

I guess what I'm saying is that everyone sends their legit prospects to the AHL at that age 20 season (barring a few exceptions) so it's not something we are doing any different with guys like Gaucher or Myatovic. Sorry if you just meant in general that no teams need to be sending them that early, I misinterpreted. But that's how it goes the majority of the time. A lot of people argue that the even the CHL guys should be allowed in the AHL D+1.

It's just become more of a young man's game in general, a lot of teams are getting their prospects in earlier than ever. There definitely are some cases that seem like stretches to me.

All good, I guess I'm just butthurt that Pat said he will not rush prospects and I see him rushing them to the AHL where I think they might use another season in juniors to develop their game further instead of playong bottom 6 mins in the pros. Well, I'm not a professional, so... I'm not even sure it's a done decision with Myatovic but I saw it somewhere. Same applies for Gaucher. We actually used the same for Minty, despite my scepticism, it has worked out well so far

 

[Ducks DVM]

All good, I guess I'm just butthurt that Pat said he will not rush prospects and I see him rushing them to the AHL where I think they might use another season in juniors to develop their game further instead of playong bottom 6 mins in the pros. Well, I'm not a professional, so... I'm not even sure it's a done decision with Myatovic but I saw it somewhere. Same applies for Gaucher. We actually used the same for Minty, despite my scepticism, it has worked out well so far

I think it’s a fair criticism of Verbeek that he very publicly said that he prefers to overcook prospects rather than rush them, and then he has rushed nearly every serious prospect that we have.

 

[MMC]

he has rushed nearly every serious prospect that we have.

Wholeheartedly disagree, they all proved to be ready for this level. I don't consider it "rushing" if they're good enough to be here

 

[Ducks DVM]

Wholeheartedly disagree, they all proved to be ready for this level. I don't consider it "rushing" if they're good enough to be here

Carlsson was absolutely not physically ready, and certainly not “overcooked”.
McTavish has fallen off dramatically in the second half of both seasons, and has been repeatedly injured. Not “overcooked”
Mintyukov had pretty poor possession numbers despite being sheltered. “Not overcooked”.
Zellweger spent a decent chunk of time in the AHL, but the season ticket holders I know don’t feel that his defensive play was impressive at that level, so he wasn’t “overcooked”.

“overcooking” means being held back until they’re more than ready. Go blow it up in the AHL like Getzlaf and Perry did. Regardless of whether or not you think that they’re ready, it’s inarguable that he’s not “overcooked” anyone.

 

[Trojans86]

When does the SHL season end? Can he play at the end of year like the NCAA guys do?

 

[MMC]

“overcooking” means being held back until they’re more than ready. Go blow it up in the AHL like Getzlaf and Perry did. Regardless of whether or not you think that they’re ready, it’s inarguably that he’s not “overcooked” anyone.

Well I think there's a pretty big gap between someone being "overcooked" and someone being "rushed" (which is what I was disagreeing with in my post)

 

[Ducks DVM]

Well I think there's a pretty big gap between someone being "overcooked" and someone being "rushed" (which is what I was disagreeing with in my post)

I think you can make a fair statement that Carlsson was rushed, as well as McTavish.

Edit - and I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say that his words don’t match his deeds on this.

 

[MMC]

I think you can make a fair statement that Carlsson was rushed, as well as McTavish.

Edit - and I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say that his words don’t match his deeds on this.

With McTavish are you referring to his 9 game tryout in 21-22 or his first full season in 22-23? Because saying two players who produced at a rate above .5 PPG in the NHL in their rookie seasons were rushed is something that I cannot agree with

 

[Ducks DVM]

With McTavish are you referring to his 9 game tryout in 21-22 or his first full season in 22-23? Because saying two players who produced at a rate above .5 PPG in the NHL in their rookie seasons were rushed is something that I cannot agree with

I look at his frequent confusion as to where to go defensively, and taking bad penalties because he’s out of position as evidence otherwise. He was bad at faceoffs, and had (still has) garbage possession scores. There’s more to the game than scoring points.

There’s a difference between ready, not ready, and wtf were they thinking. I said that year that he needed to be in a lesser league.

 

[Webster]

It's interesting with Solberg. He's only 18, but in the World Championships he played like a man, nailed NHL players to the boards. This is why he went up like a rocket on the draft rankings.

So I don't think he needs to go back to Sweden, a year in the AHL and he's ready.

 

[Vaakou]

It's interesting with Solberg. He's only 18, but in the World Championships he played like a man, nailed NHL players to the boards. This is why he went up like a rocket on the draft rankings.

So I don't think he needs to go back to Sweden, a year in the AHL and he's ready.

I rather he plays SHL then NHL over AHL. He doesnt need to play AHL.

 

[Webster]

I rather he plays SHL then NHL over AHL. He doesnt need to play AHL.

Well it's the transition from Euro to the smaller NA rinks, I'd say he should play some games in the minors for this reason alone.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Carlsson was absolutely not physically ready, and certainly not “overcooked”.
McTavish has fallen off dramatically in the second half of both seasons, and has been repeatedly injured. Not “overcooked”
Mintyukov had pretty poor possession numbers despite being sheltered. “Not overcooked”.
Zellweger spent a decent chunk of time in the AHL, but the season ticket holders I know don’t feel that his defensive play was impressive at that level, so he wasn’t “overcooked”.

“overcooking” means being held back until they’re more than ready. Go blow it up in the AHL like Getzlaf and Perry did. Regardless of whether or not you think that they’re ready, it’s inarguable that he’s not “overcooked” anyone.

I remember Regenda's situation as a rookie. Verbeek wanted him to stay with the NHL club after he was called up and Eakins thought differently. Eakins eventually won out. Regenda has been cooking in the AHL since then.

 

[Vaakou]

Well it's the transition from Euro to the smaller NA rinks, I'd say he should play some games in the minors for this reason alone.

nah

 

[SmokeyDuck]

He will get top minutes in the AHL and we can control that. SHL not as much. I wouldn't be opposed to him in the AHL. He is already physically a beast. That said im not opposed to him in the SHL either.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

He will get top minutes in the AHL and we can control that. SHL not as much. I wouldn't be opposed to him in the AHL. He is already physically a beast. That said im not opposed to him in the SHL either.

Just not confident with the coaching in the San Diego. Also, the SHL plays only 52 regular season games, which is 30 games fewer than the NHL and 16 games fewer than the AHL. For physical development, I'd prefer the SHL side of things as well.

 

[tomd]

Just not confident with the coaching in the San Diego. Also, the SHL plays only 52 regular season games, which is 30 games fewer than the NHL and 16 games fewer than the AHL. For physical development, I'd prefer the SHL side of things as well.

Agreed. SHL is a better skating league as well in addition to a bigger ice surface. That can only help him.