Steven Stamkos career

[TheBig08]

If steven stamkos never broke his leg would he have been on a ovechkin like goal scoring pace during his carrer?

im asking becuase before he broke his leg he was scoring alot of goals.

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[tabness]

I don't know if he'd age like Ovechkin in terms of always hitting 50, not just cause of aging but cause of the natural evolution of a player in his situation with his team having so many weapons as he aged that he didn't need to carry the burden of scoring as much, but yeah, Stamkos pre leg injury, what a beauty

one of the very few new NHL players I really like

one of the great guys in the league I think he's become so underrated and underappreciated

 

[MadLuke]

Stamkos could become a bit of a mix of well known and what if....

He did really goes a bit under the radar in the context of how much he scored and the franchise success.

The 2010 and 2014 Olympics was really bad timming, many playoff run burned, so many of those could have written his name in the hockey history stone missed all along.

 

[DitchMarner]

His scoring longevity is very impressive, but people seem to be dismissive of his recent years because of the perceptions that he has benefitted a lot from a strong team/good talent around him and that he can't really be an offensive catalyst anymore. I think he's had a great career for himself. I'm not sure how much better he would have done without breaking his leg. If he had had another two or three years of being a top five scorer and the kind of prime longevity he's had, you have to think he would have a very compelling case for being in the top 100 All-Time even with a lackluster (for a superstar) playoff career.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I assume he would have been much more interesting before the leg. We got a much less robust version who was the worst playoff player of his generation. It's too bad.

 

[The Panther]

I assume he would have been much more interesting before the leg. We got a much less robust version who was the worst playoff player of his generation. It's too bad.

Not this again...??

As statistical analysis (probably by @pnep but I can't remember) has shown, Stamkos' playoff scoring takes an only slightly larger-than-average dip in the post-season. It's hardly catastrophic.

Just the facts that Stamkos...
-- scored 11 playoff goals on a Cup winner
-- has 101 points in 128 playof games

...pretty much rules him out of this conversation as "worst".

 

[Michael Farkas]

Name worse vs expectation. The film shows a virtual non-participant. Was he ever a top 5 player on these legit Tampa teams? Not for me.

 

[SillyRabbit]

I mean let's not forget that his peak was back-to-back seasons of 2nd in NHL scoring at ages 21 and 22.

He wasn't just a goal scoring machine, he was producing with the best of them.

The leg injury really derailed him and forced him to adapt his game, which to his credit, he did pretty well.

You don't just luck your way into leading your team in scoring by 21 points while finishing 7th in league scoring at age 31.

 

[The Panther]

Name worse vs expectation. The film shows a virtual non-participant. Was he ever a top 5 player on these legit Tampa teams? Not for me.

 

[tabness]

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for real lol

in the first covid cup run he played like three shifts total or something and still managed to score an absolutely beauty vintage Stammer goal

in the second cup yeah he wasnt great and was overshadowed by several of his teammates

in the third finals run in 2022 i thought he was one of the best Tampa players he became an everything player for the team

 

[sr edler]

That was the 4th finals run, not the 3rd. In the first one in 2015 he was substantially outplayed/outproduced in the finals by 20-year old rookie Teuvo Teräväinen. That team btw was largely propelled by the emerging Triplet Line out of Syracuse, New York.

When people say he's been underwhelming in the playoffs (compared to his supposed stature) it's because he's been outproduced in various runs by teammates like Tyler Johnson (2015) and Ondrej Palat (2022).

He's been on several very long SC playoff runs, most often on a team loaded with offensive unicorns, but he still hasn't hit 20 points in a playoff run, which is borderline impressive in itself, especially being stapled to that power play. And this is someone where the scoring/numbers is supposed to be the bread & butter.

What may be an underrated aspect of Stamkos is his leadership ways. Always when I listen to this guy in pressers he comes across very mature and level-headed. A guy like Kucherov on the other hand could never be captain on any successful team IMO, just way too grumpy, immature and emotional.

 

[The Panther]

When people say he's been underwhelming in the playoffs (compared to his supposed stature) it's because he's been outproduced in various runs by teammates like Tyler Johnson (2015) and Ondrej Palat (2022).

Nobody said he's been underwhelming. Someone has said he's the single worst playoff performer of a generation, which is clearly absurd.

As to single playoff runs... er, so what? Crosby and Malkin were both outproduced by Phil Kessel, a non Hall of Famer, in 2016. In 2013 and 2015 combined (back to back playoffs), Ovechkin was outscored by Joel Ward. It happens. Palat is a good player who had a good playoff run. (Not sure what's the point of bringing up Johnson, whom Stamkos massively outscores in playoffs.)

Since 2020, the Lightning's goals-per-game leaders in the playoffs have been:
0.52 - Point
0.47 - Stamkos
0.38 - Palat
0.29 - Kucherov
0.27 - Gourde

Scoring 0.47 goals per game in the playoffs over 50+ games is really, really good.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that a guy who scored 11 goals in a playoff run, was team captain, and won the Stanley Cup, probably isn't the worst playoff performer of a generation.

 

[K Fleur]

VS expectations is the key.

I don’t think anybody would have much bad to say about Stamkos playoff performances post 2020, but by then most people had realized Stamkos was/is at best the 5th most important player on his team.

It’s his performances when he was arguably a top 4 player in the league that are horrible.