Steve Yzerman is not a good GM.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If a trade like this with Anaheim: McTavish + McQueen + 1st + Solberg for Larkin & Anton Johansson.
I think that lands them in a reasonable position short term and future.

You could do a trade with Minnesota of Danila Yurov + Charlie Stramel + Riley Heidt + David Spacek
Or Yurov + Wallstedt + Stramel + Spacek for Larkin & some other piece like Noah Dower Nilsen or Cossa if that is the decision.

If it is Vegas it probably has to be William Karlsson + Pavel Dorofeyev + 1st + Trevor Connelly / Kaedan Korczak. Preference would be Connolly, but they might not trade both Dorofeyev and Connelly, might be one of them. If they want to keep Korczak, we are coming to a difficult territory, maybe Alex Weiermair would be the last peace. Alexander Holtz could be an option, but idk if they would risk getting him.

If its Florida its Lundell +1st and maybe Matvei Shuravin

If its Dallas it would be trying to make something around Jason Robertson re-signed + Justin Hryckowian for Larkin and a better prospect.

If its Utah it makes sense that its for more of a prospects deal like 1st + Caleb Desnoyers + Tij Iginla
Doubtful that they do that, so it could be 1st + Tij Iginla + Cole Beaudoin + Daniil But for Larkin + a forward prospect going back.



The only issue with the rebuild so far, besides its taking time is clear cut top six direct impact centers haven't been available for a reasonable price / They didn't want to go here / Not been available when Detroit drafted. Thus those we got and have drafted will take some more time until figuring out where they fit.



That is important to remember, Larkin is not a Franchise level player in terms of skill even if someone feel he is in terms of local state.



Which is hard to find that fit, as not so many teams that would be trade partners have that. Some have few pieces, but otherwise its going to be more a little longer term prospects that go back.


For long term, if its several pieces then chances are decent, but will be a bit of time until one knows the outcome of that. It has the potential to be a higher upside.


Well that is what some of these vocal fans been yelling for. Make short term trades for short term upgrades to make the playoffs. I don't think that is the solution. His plan has been fine, you can't help for things not being available to you.
Going to be interesting to see if a trade is made, could be that the price or partner just isn't there and one should be okay with holding on to Larkin until there is some fit that makes sense or if even the younger guys take the other spots and become better without Larkin having been traded at all.

I think you are living in a dream world if you think you are getting Dorofeyev or Lundell

espically Lundell because Florida has Bob coming off the books AND they can offer a top 10 pick.

 

[Hippasus]

I think you are living in a dream world if you think you are getting Dorofeyev or Lundell

espically Lundell because Florida has Bob coming off the books AND they can offer a top 10 pick.

I could see Florida re-signing Bobrovsky for a short-term contract. He had a very off year. I wonder if the centerpiece of a deal with Florida would be a #9 draft pick or an established NHL player. That could be telling for how the rebuild is dealt with by Red Wings management in the near future.

 

[SirKillalot]

I think you are living in a dream world if you think you are getting Dorofeyev or Lundell

espically Lundell because Florida has Bob coming off the books AND they can offer a top 10 pick.

The late top 10 pick isn't getting them Larkin. So either they offer something over the top or he's not going there.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The late top 10 pick isn't getting them Larkin. So either they offer something over the top or he's not going there.

I personally think he' ends up in Minnisota but if he did go to Florida the 9th pick would be involved because they would want that 3 headed monster down the middle

 

[SirKillalot]

I personally think he' ends up in Minnisota but if he did go to Florida the 9th pick would be involved because they would want that 3 headed monster down the middle

9th would probably be involved, but that wouldn't get them Larkin.

If Florida trades for Larkin, they got Barkov, Larkin, Bennett, Luostarinen down the middle, plus Rodrigues and Reinhart can slot in there as well.

They will be strong then regardless, so it absolutely makes sense for Detroit to ask for Lundell.

 

[Pavels Dog]

both wild and red wings had 17 wins on the date when hughes was traded. i also believe that they would have made the playoffs.

Margin for error was much smaller in the East though. Wild ended up with 104 points. They would have made it with 91 points. Detroit ended up with 92 points and would have needed 100.

It should be noted that analytical models such as The Athletic's put McDavid's value at about ~6 wins over a full season above a replacement level player. That's 12 points. You're argument here is that Hughes is worth ~16 points ABOVE Edvinsson (not even including other pieces like Kasper, Faulk etc.).

I think you are living in a dream world if you think you are getting Dorofeyev or Lundell

espically Lundell because Florida has Bob coming off the books AND they can offer a top 10 pick.

You're right, it will be a 2nd and two AHLers.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Margin for error was much smaller in the East though. Wild ended up with 104 points. They would have made it with 91 points. Detroit ended up with 92 points and would have needed 100.

It should be noted that analytical models such as The Athletic's put McDavid's value at about ~6 wins over a full season above a replacement level player. That's 12 points. You're argument here is that Hughes is worth ~16 points ABOVE Edvinsson (not even including other pieces like Kasper, Faulk etc.).


You're right, it will be a 2nd and two AHLers.

No it would be 9th overall+ but that + is not Lundell

if Florida brings in Larkin it's so they can have Barkov, Larkin Lundell down the middle

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

9th would probably be involved, but that wouldn't get them Larkin.

If Florida trades for Larkin, they got Barkov, Larkin, Bennett, Luostarinen down the middle, plus Rodrigues and Reinhart can slot in there as well.

They will be strong then regardless, so it absolutely makes sense for Detroit to ask for Lundell.

I think E Rod would probably b going back as part of the deal if it happened

 

[SirKillalot]

I think E Rod would probably b going back as part of the deal if it happened

9th+E Rod+ isn't really what Detroit need or want. That 9th isn't worth as much to Detroit unless something better comes back. If they aren't willing to trade Lundell, then Larkin probably isn't going to Florida.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

9th+E Rod+ isn't really what Detroit need or want. That 9th isn't worth as much to Detroit unless something better comes back. If they aren't willing to trade Lundell, then Larkin probably isn't going to Florida.

Like I said I think he ends up in Minnisota they have significantly more to offer.

Makes me wonder where Trocheck goes because the Wild were rumored to be after him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think Yzerman has done a fairly adequate job in Detroit to build a team that can make the playoffs on a regular basis - don't think it has high end contending potential as currently built. That echelon doesn't require perfection in team building. Just look at the errors Buffalo and Ottawa have made over the years. But at it's heart I think boils down to having a Dylan Larkin sized problem. Which is he's not really good enough as a franchise leading 1C. If he was I think Detroit wins those marginal handful of games year to year and end up in a WC position.

I think if Yzerman can conduct his Larkin auction as if he was a star 1C and received that kind of compensation, it's going to be a win for Detroit. You're not moving off a franchise level player.

what reason do you have to believe he's built a team that can make the playoffs on a regular basis when they haven't done that in 10 years, 7 under Yzerman?

there is no edvidence to support your theory.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Just lol. These people are beyond parody.



“The Yzerplan is slow. But he’s done a masterful job. There are at least 10 future NHLers in the system” ROFLMAO