rune74
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State of the Canucks & Goodbye Hammer ='(
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So I'm not drinking any Kool aid and I'm certainly not a the Canucks are gods fan. I have always been critical of the team when necessary. I disagree with all the doom sayers. The Canucks are a substantially better team but it is going to depend on willie D and if horvat baerschti and Virtanen can mature and provide a 2nd/3rd line for the Canucks.
The defense is astronomically better than last seasons and for those who think otherwise I really think you are complaining for the sake of complaining. Health will be key for Edler but should the defense of:
Elder-Tanev
Gundbrandson-Hutton
Treyamkin/Sbisa-Larsson
Now I will concede the last pairing will have to be sheltered but no one is going to have an easy time getting to the front of the net like the last few seasons, which is where 75% of goals scored in the NHL are now. They are also decent enough to move the puck up the ice. But if they get another bonafide NHL dman great. As button and faber said today the Canucks got better.
Forwards completely depends on the kids and their progression. There is nothing else to say. If they stay relatively healthy the Canucks will be competing for a divisional playoff spot.
Now that's not to say they are a Stanley cup contender cause they are most certainly not. But they are also not a bad team.
I love the moves personally.
The defense is astronomically better than last seasons and for those who think otherwise I really think you are complaining for the sake of complaining. Health will be key for Edler but should the defense of:
Elder-Tanev
Gundbrandson-Hutton
Treyamkin/Sbisa-Larsson
Now I will concede the last pairing will have to be sheltered but no one is going to have an easy time getting to the front of the net like the last few seasons, which is where 75% of goals scored in the NHL are now. They are also decent enough to move the puck up the ice. But if they get another bonafide NHL dman great. As button and faber said today the Canucks got better.
Forwards completely depends on the kids and their progression. There is nothing else to say. If they stay relatively healthy the Canucks will be competing for a divisional playoff spot.
Now that's not to say they are a Stanley cup contender cause they are most certainly not. But they are also not a bad team.
I love the moves personally.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Except we've seen the kinds of trades Benning makes. Zero interest in seeing anymore deals.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
How is the defense astronomically better than last season? We lost one of our best defensemen and replaced him with a poor puck possession defenseman who was absolutely lost until he was played with Brian Campbell. Our defense is still bottom 5 in the NHL.
Short-term this is still a bottom 5 team in the NHL. Long-term I can see an Oilers-like tenure at the bottom of the league. Probably not lucky enough to land 1st overall after 1st overall, but we're a long way from being competitive.
I would ask you what's the deal but y'all don't even got a deal
If you think this offence is one of the worst in the league, then you have another thing coming. Pro rated, Horvat's stats from the second half of the year is 55 pts/82 gp. With a healthy Sutter for defensive matchups, that's pretty realistic for Bo. If not, then I can see a 45 point season, which is still a 2nd line centre. The SHL MVP is coming back. Baertschi is only getting better. And that's excluding Virtanen and Hansen. Realistically, it's just a matter of patience. Bo and Bae are already young, top-6 players.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
I would ask you what's the deal but y'all don't even got a deal
If you think this offence is one of the worst in the league, then you have another thing coming. Pro rated, Horvat's stats from the second half of the year is 55 pts/82 gp. With a healthy Sutter for defensive matchups, that's pretty realistic for Bo. If not, then I can see a 45 point season, which is still a 2nd line centre. The SHL MVP is coming back. Baertschi is only getting better. And that's excluding Virtanen and Hansen. Realistically, it's just a matter of patience. Bo and Bae are already young, top-6 players.
It was one of the worst in the NHL last year and not much has changed.
Sutter was used in offensive situations and Horvat was given the tougher defensive matchups last year when they were both in the lineup. What makes you think this year will be different?
youre so right I mean you are he mayor of rightville!!! All hail y2kcanucks for his all I wing all seeing power!! He knows all things Canucks! Please gm the team cause no one else on these boards knows anything closely remotely as you do and your great hockey management pedigree!
In lehmans terms I disagree with your assessment of the team and its future. And I'm allowed my opinion.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Never said you weren't allowed an opinion. I'm just challenging that opinion because I disagree with you. My opinion is based on stats and analytics, so I'm quite confident in my assessment. Not to mention I witnessed the train wreck of last season. So I'm legitimately curious why you have this opinion.
dwarf
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I think next year we will still end up with a top 5 pick regardless.
Basically we have only swapped Hamhuis for Gudbranson, and Vrbata for Eriksson, and Weber for Larsson.
Swapping cards for similar cards, might fool some fans to buy tickets, and that is the obvious plan.
All of our main players are a year older, so the Sedins, Edler and Miller are going to be even more injury prone. Sbisa and Dorsett are still on stealth tank duty, and Tryamkin and Hutton are going to have a lot of growing pains.
Sutter being healthy is not guaranteed, and our lack of playmaking centers is going to hurt our wingers once again. Also, our dearth of offense from the back end is just as grim as last year.
When you look at players and the icetime they will get, its even possible the Canucks will be worse than this year.
Nolan Patrick ftw!
Basically we have only swapped Hamhuis for Gudbranson, and Vrbata for Eriksson, and Weber for Larsson.
Swapping cards for similar cards, might fool some fans to buy tickets, and that is the obvious plan.
All of our main players are a year older, so the Sedins, Edler and Miller are going to be even more injury prone. Sbisa and Dorsett are still on stealth tank duty, and Tryamkin and Hutton are going to have a lot of growing pains.
Sutter being healthy is not guaranteed, and our lack of playmaking centers is going to hurt our wingers once again. Also, our dearth of offense from the back end is just as grim as last year.
When you look at players and the icetime they will get, its even possible the Canucks will be worse than this year.
Nolan Patrick ftw!
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To be fair, rather than pointing directly to Willie's incompetency, Sutter played with the Sedin twins for a while last season and unless you want to put your best forwards in defensive situations...
A lot has changed. Eriksson alone brings a world of change to the forward group. You're almost getting a prime Alex Burrows here. 63 points last year, 30 goals, great 200 foot game, and has chemistry already with the Sedins.
Edit: And that's excluding Benning's desire for a middle-6 forward who's skilled and has size. Sounds a lot like someone who's on the block in Buffalo (Though I'm not for trading for Evander - he is a bad influence for the young players we are trying to develop).
Flik
Canucks fan for life
I've reached a weird place where I'm actively hoping things blow up in our faces, just so our mgmt team will get fired sooner than later.
What a sad, sad thing to say.
What a sad, sad thing to say.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
In the 3 seasons prior to last year Eriksson played 190 games and put up a 0.59 PPG.
40 point Horvat is older with another solid summer of training and Sutter might actually get time to adapt to his new team - and *gasp* get more than a handful of games...ever think of that? People and situations improve bud
But!
Bennnniingggggg!!!!!!!
So which one is it y2k....
"What have you done for me lately?" or "he wasn't good years ago when the Bruins were not an offensive minded/ good team?"
"Player X had 22 points but last season had 55.....but he's not good because 2 years ago he had lower points"
All I'm seeing is you spinning your narrative to make Benning look as bad possible....for years....that's gotta be exhausting to be that mad all the time..Did he cut you off in traffic years ago or something?
desiboynux4lifeeee
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something fishy is going on vancity; however, before anything can happen its important to have the kool-aid drinkers of Benning understand how screwed we really are.
We are building around a slow veteran group eg Sedins', building around declining players is a philosphy for a upcoming disaster and I bet you one thing Benning doesn't care because he knows he has a 3 year window to somehow hope this team wins a cup. Honestly Linden should be ashamed himself, a local hero now is nothing more then a yes man to aqullinni. The problem with this team I feel is ownership and their greed, time to get the paper bags ready in 3 years we will all need them because this management is not building for the future.
although I know the kool-aid drinkers will post boeser boeser boeser,the reality remains Boeser is unproven and canucks prospect pool lacks real 1st line talents.
We are building around a slow veteran group eg Sedins', building around declining players is a philosphy for a upcoming disaster and I bet you one thing Benning doesn't care because he knows he has a 3 year window to somehow hope this team wins a cup. Honestly Linden should be ashamed himself, a local hero now is nothing more then a yes man to aqullinni. The problem with this team I feel is ownership and their greed, time to get the paper bags ready in 3 years we will all need them because this management is not building for the future.
although I know the kool-aid drinkers will post boeser boeser boeser,the reality remains Boeser is unproven and canucks prospect pool lacks real 1st line talents.
rune74
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crazychimp
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I remember the Hamhuis and Malhotra signings, that off season was magical I remember telling my teacher this is the year we're going to the finals he believed so as well, crazy how time flies. Good luck to Hammer I still believe he is capable of being a top d-man in the league wish we had him instead of Sbisa but what can you do, who knows maybe Sbisa and many players might surprise us this season you never know, that's one of the best thing about sports "the underdog story".
As far as this team goes I just hope we continue to draft/develop our prospects well, as long as the twins are still here there will be signings like the one we've seen today the top of the organisation still believes we can compete where many believe we can not. It'll be interesting to see where we place this season do we make the playoffs or do we barely get in? You've got to think if we finish bottom 5 again this coming season things have to change with letting the face (or faces) of the team go and do a full on rebuild.
As far as this team goes I just hope we continue to draft/develop our prospects well, as long as the twins are still here there will be signings like the one we've seen today the top of the organisation still believes we can compete where many believe we can not. It'll be interesting to see where we place this season do we make the playoffs or do we barely get in? You've got to think if we finish bottom 5 again this coming season things have to change with letting the face (or faces) of the team go and do a full on rebuild.
I don't know you could see the writing on the wall early into that term and they blew it up quite fast. It was also soooooo short.
This one is so confusing and looks to drag out for awhile.
He suffered 2 concussions within a couple of months which derailed him for a while, following the trade.
Not a fan of the term of his deal, but then again, none of the big names were giving a break on term.
Would hopefully see Vancouver do something on the secondary market.
But, I think adding Demers for a fair amount and term is unlikely. Think Toronto would match any deal that Vancouver offers and they have a clear direction of where they are headed.
what pisses me off is that not signing hamhuis and keeping sbisa means jimbo thinks sbisa is better dman than hammer. They basically signed for the same cap hit. Thats the thing about Benning takes 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Drives me crazy.
ProstheticConscience
Check dein Limit
40 point Horvat is older with another solid summer of training and Sutter might actually get time to adapt to his new team - and *gasp* get more than a handful of games...ever think of that? People and situations improve bud
But!
Bennnniingggggg!!!!!!!
And what's the guarantee Horvat takes that next step? What's the guarantee Sutter stays healthy or Horvat stays healthy? What's our depth like behind them? Or at any other position?
Yeah sure. IF all our players are on a development curve that's going up, IF they all stay healthy, IF our coach figures out how to do anything other than roll four lines, IF all our new guys mesh well with their new lines, IF the young guys all take huge steps up, then things might improve next season. And that's a lot of ifs.
kanucks25
Chris Tanev #1 Fan
State of the Franchise?
- Terrible NHL roster.
- Average prospect pool.
- Worst foundation of any NHL team going forward.
- Arguably the worst GM in the league when it comes to trades and pro scouting.
- Meddlesome ownership that seems to get in the way of any possible smart moves.
- Terrible coach that can't make adjustments and likes to give his useless grinders o-zone starts instead of his pure skill offensive producers.
So yeah, not great.
- Terrible NHL roster.
- Average prospect pool.
- Worst foundation of any NHL team going forward.
- Arguably the worst GM in the league when it comes to trades and pro scouting.
- Meddlesome ownership that seems to get in the way of any possible smart moves.
- Terrible coach that can't make adjustments and likes to give his useless grinders o-zone starts instead of his pure skill offensive producers.
So yeah, not great.
mathonwy
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Spending 4.2M on the boat anchor that was named Keith Ballard and Delorme's meth binges cost us the cup.
Hammer was just being Hammer and the Lucic incident is just crap happens.
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