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Reclamation Project said:
What did you see?
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kingsholygrail said:
Time for a social media update?
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Alec Martinez, or @amartinez_27, just tweeted that he ate a burrito from a vendor on the freeway offramp and now has a bad case of #gas.

Colin Fraser, or @colinfraser, tweeted 2 hours ago "Put me in coach, I'm ready!" Hashtag "****kingkopitar11".

Dustin Brown, or @DustinBrown23, just sent out these twitpics...

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KingKopitar11 said:
I have more numbers on my phone than that ;).
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I can see KK right ... "Damn girl, that ass from outer solar system? Because from my vantage point it's out of this world! Gimme that number!"
 
Buddy The Elf said:
I didn't bother with the article but pulling a goalie because a team is playing poorly in front of him isn't unheard of. I think it is usually done with the mindset that it will get the players to respond. Honestly, what do the Kings have to lose? Is anybody really confident in Quick right now? I think the Sharks scored on their first shot last night. Quick has been barking at the refs and looking for calls. If people think he has been as focused as he has been in the past, I respectfully disagree. I think Quick has been "rattled" since that dude ran him at the beginning of game 1. I'm not blaming the losses on Quick, I'm simply saying that sometimes making a switch jumpstart the team and the Kings really have nothing left to lose.

That being said, the Kings will probably lose Game 4 no matter who starts from either roster at any position.
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As also I didn't bother with much of this thread. It's never gonna happen. Never.
 
I think starting Jones would probably give the Kings a slightly better chance to win the next game but it's not worth all the drama. It's a short term solution that will cause a long term problem, we all saw what happened in Vancouver and the Kings are unlikely (understatement) to win four in a row against the Sharks anyway. And just to be clear, I don't think Jones is better than Quick but Quick is clearly not on top of his game right now.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Alec Martinez, or @amartinez_27, just tweeted that he ate a burrito from a vendor on the freeway offramp and now has a bad case of #gas.

Colin Fraser, or @colinfraser, tweeted 2 hours ago "Put me in coach, I'm ready!" Hashtag "****kingkopitar11".

Dustin Brown, or @DustinBrown23, just sent out these twitpics...




I can see KK right ... "Damn girl, that ass from outer solar system? Because from my vantage point it's out of this world! Gimme that number!"
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Actually that's close. It's "Are you an alien? Because your body is out of this world"
 
I've been to over 30 Kings games over the last few seasons and this is the first game I can remember cringing every single shot on net attempted by an opponent. Although I've read some good discussion here, my vote is still to see what Jones can do.

Quick is our franchise goalie. He has a Stanley Cup and a friggin Conn Smythe. This isn't Vancouver, Dean Lombardi looked him in the eyes and signed him to this contract. If he can't handle Jones getting some playoff experience then I don't know what to tell you. I highly doubt this will have any sort of comparison to the luongo fiasco.

I'm not saying I would definitive start Jones, but to think quick is this small minded is absurd.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Quick is the most mentally tough player on this team. His "feelings" wouldn't get hurt.
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This is the first time I've ever seen Quick lose his cool mentally and have it clearly affect his focus and overall game.

Quick is a grown man and a professional. I'm sure he'd be the first to understand if he didn't get a start down 0-3 in a series in which he has a GAA north of 5. Maybe it'd drive him to not put up a mediocre regular season in 14/15 for the third year in a row.

Some of guys need to knock off the 2012 hero worship that is directly responsible for the team stagnating this year.
 
Richie10 said:
This is the first time I've ever seen Quick lose his cool mentally and have it clearly affect his focus and overall game.

Quick is a grown man and a professional. I'm sure he'd be the first to understand if he didn't get a start down 0-3 in a series in which he has a GAA north of 5. Maybe it'd drive him to not put up a mediocre regular season in 14/15 for the third year in a row.

Some of guys need to knock off the 2012 hero worship that is directly responsible for the team stagnating this year.
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The first time?

You must not have watched many of his games. :laugh:
 
damacles1156 said:
You know its bad when Kings fans are saying , Quick only had one good season.
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I hate when people say this but I will acknowledge it as fair criticism if people acknowledge the full context. Most of the time it's said in passing to cheapen his game. You could say prior to 2012 he was getting acclimated to the league and just had playoff meltdowns. ALL of 2012 he was epic. Unfortunately, he then had back surgery and a rough recover through the regular season before having a stellar playoffs until hitting Chicago. Then, this year, started off rough again, got hurt, then returned to form, and now he's just getting exploited. Would be hilarious if he just shut the door from here on out and it's definitely not beyond his capabilities.

So, unfortunately, he arrived as an elite goalie in 2012 and has had little rest and a bit of injury since. I have no fear that he will adjust, recover, condition, and receive coaching, and I honestly believe he'll be closer to 2012 form than 2013-reg-season form after a nice, long rest and rejuvenation.
 
Yeah read that earlier, was very interesting in presenting alternative narratives--like Quick causes some of his own problems being overaggressive: though being aggressive is part of his package, those extra 1-2 feet he seems to be out this year makes his 'routes' longer which causes overcompensation and the flopping-around issues that some have been complaining about.

Good read, even if it doesn't cover everything.
 
The problem I have with the article is it doesn't articulate what advantages Quick gains from his style of play which doesn't make for a good article if you're trying to make an argument. At best the writer has made an observation of Quick's weaknesses which are well known already. There's been no real illumination. The argument is that better goalies remain textbook to a T because probability is on their side. Okay. I've heard that quite often. The writer fails to assess the advantage before breaking it down.


I mean if it's so terrible of a way to play, why does Quick have a job?
 
It fascinates me how many people are getting on board the "Blame Quick" train.

Kings defense and lack of mental sharpness has been the key to this series being the way it is.

Quick has nothing to do with bad line changes, players losing men in coverage, and clear cut 3 on 2's and 2 on 1's. Yea, you want him to come up with big stops, but when the team is asking him to come up with 7 and 8 big stops due to their errors it doesn't matter who you have in goal.

And I don't like people quoting raw save percentage or goals against. If one goalie allows 3 bad goals on 10 shots, and the other allows 3 goals on great plays by the attacking team and/or clear cut breakdowns the numbers are exactly the same.
 
I'll just leave this here:..

Andrew ference(NHL Defender) from NBC post game

"That game would have been 8-6 if not for Quick, the Kings defense is giving up WAY TOO MANY prime scoring chances".

"Quick is having too make way too many Prime saves".
 
damacles1156 said:
I'll just leave this here:..

Andrew ference(NHL Defender) from NBC post game

"That game would have been 8-6 if not for Quick, the Kings defense is giving up WAY TOO MANY prime scoring chances".

"Quick is having too make way too many Prime saves".
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Well, he plays for the Oilers, so is he really an NHL defender :P

I guess that does make him uniquely qualified to talk about prime scoring chances, though.

Thanks for sharing--I didn't think it was that bad, was it? Quick definitely played better, but it's still not his final form.
 
I was kind of hoping Quick would beat the **** out of a sharks player at the end there and get it out of his system. Then he could return to focusing on his game.
 
Brad Doty said:
Well, he plays for the Oilers, so is he really an NHL defender :P

I guess that does make him uniquely qualified to talk about prime scoring chances, though.

Thanks for sharing--I didn't think it was that bad, was it? Quick definitely played better, but it's still not his final form.
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Yah,

Ference has played one single season for the Oilers and has a Stanley Cup ring on his finger.

My Point is, Quick is having too bail out this defense way too much.
 
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