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I don't think it's that preposterous to have Martin Jones in net for game 4. It's an entirely different dynamic and may present a different outcome. Quick did have a better game 3, but it seems like Jones style may better suit this series. How many times have you seen a hot goalie take control of a series? What have we got to lose at this point? I think Quick himself would understand the logic in that. He already looks defeated for goodness sakes!

Jones played the Sharks on Dec 19 and only allowed 1 goal. He also played them on Apr 2 and only allowed 2 goals. Not saying that equates to the playoffs, but still.
 
geisha78 said:
This is true and Ken Campbell is a fool. It's amazing how people assume that just because an individual took journalism in school and fell into hockey writing, that makes the writer a hockey expert. Far from it. A writing expert? Sure. Knowledgable hockey thinker? Possibly but in Campbell's case absolutely not.

Jones wouldn't be the solution for the kings not having an answer for the sharks team speed and transition game which is burning holes in L.A's defensive coverage. Jones wouldn't have any influence on the kings giving numerous odd man rushes all series long. Jones is not the difference between one team (SJ) playing with fire, intensity and passion while the other for the most part (L.A) looks like they are skating in mud.
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Agreed wholeheartedly, especially that Campbell is a joke.

That said, I really do think this is a good line: "So is it Quick’s fault that the Kings are staring down the barrel of a humiliating first-round sweep? No, but to suggest he has no culpability in this mess and is simply the victim of a team playing badly in front of him is just as ridiculous as placing all the blame on him."

I don't think it's preposterous to play Jones, but I also don't think it solves anything, and it's definitely not Sutter's style.

Jtown said:
Starting jones is a no win situation. Just lose with quick in net and get thing right in the offseason.
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Seems more like Sutter's style and the thought I'm most in tune with.

Buddy The Elf said:
I didn't bother with the article but pulling a goalie because a team is playing poorly in front of him isn't unheard of. I think it is usually done with the mindset that it will get the players to respond. Honestly, what do the Kings have to lose? Is anybody really confident in Quick right now? I think the Sharks scored on their first shot last night. Quick has been barking at the refs and looking for calls. If people think he has been as focused as he has been in the past, I respectfully disagree. I think Quick has been "rattled" since that dude ran him at the beginning of game 1. I'm not blaming the losses on Quick, I'm simply saying that sometimes making a switch jumpstart the team and the Kings really have nothing left to lose.

That being said, the Kings will probably lose Game 4 no matter who starts from either roster at any position.
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...though I think these are the two biggest pros with going with Jones. Change in team mindset (though I thought Game 3 was fine) and an issue with focus. Love when Quick is battling in the crease and pushing out those that come in; hate when Quick is flopping around looking to sell calls and looking to the refs to save him, yet I can hardly blame him since he's been taking (meaningful) contact all series and the refs seem disinclined to care. He's not getting any protection from anyone: refs, teammates, etc., so he's trying to do it himself, and that's ripping him out of the game. I also truly believe that shot to his head rattled him--maybe not a concussion, but it was pretty clear that he was shook up after that.

I still wouldn't do it, though. But I can see an argument for the opposite.
 
Never said he got a free pass, but I did say if we grading each player individually he would get one of the better scores. Especially after the third period last night.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
I didn't bother with the article but pulling a goalie because a team is playing poorly in front of him isn't unheard of. I think it is usually done with the mindset that it will get the players to respond. Honestly, what do the Kings have to lose? Is anybody really confident in Quick right now? I think the Sharks scored on their first shot last night. Quick has been barking at the refs and looking for calls. If people think he has been as focused as he has been in the past, I respectfully disagree. I think Quick has been "rattled" since that dude ran him at the beginning of game 1. I'm not blaming the losses on Quick, I'm simply saying that sometimes making a switch jumpstart the team and the Kings really have nothing left to lose.

That being said, the Kings will probably lose Game 4 no matter who starts from either roster at any position.
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I think this is about right.

Even during the season when Quick was hurt and they were alternating Scrivens and Jones, they switched from Scrivens to Jones and one of the Kings said something along the lines that sometimes changing goalies can give the players a new perspective.

I think they may as well put in Jones for a couple reasons.
* Quick does seem to be off his game a bit. San Jose seems to have rattled him and figured out how to take advantage of his aggressive style.
* No doubt they've scouted for Quick far more than Jones so there's a small chance they'll be less prepared for Jones.
* Jones has done pretty well against San Jose. After they pulled Quick in game 1, Jones had TOI of 18:26 and stopped all for shots against him. During the regular season Jones was minutes away from a shutout against San Jose at the Staples. He had a great game, only allowing 1 goal on 31 shot attempts. He was in goal once for the Kings at the Tank and they lost, but he did pretty well stopping 19 of 21 shots. Overall, Jones faired about the same against San Jose during the regular season as Quick did. He actually had a slightly higher save % of 94% vs Quicks 93% against San Jose. I know not all shots are the same so that can be misleading, but Jones does seem to hold his own against San Jose.
* Considering all of the above, and the likelihood that the Kings really don't have much to lose at this point anyway, maybe it would be a good idea to let Jones get some more playoff experience. Maybe it'll give him some more confidence too.

Quick is a normally phenomenal goalie, but maybe switching things up a bit will be a good thing right now, win or lose.

Having said that I wouldn't blame them for going with Quick again and I'm about 99.9% Sutter will start Quick in game 4.
 
Jtown said:
Starting jones is a no win situation. Just lose with quick in net and get thing right in the offseason.
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As a Canucks fan, let me tell you this is 100% right.


The Kings have an elite goalie in Quick. All starting Jones will do is make him mad, get in his head (and goaltending is such a mental position) and create a false goalie controversy with a goalie in his pride. These decisions never end up being positive.


Win or lose, let Quick have a shot at it.
 
THN at times still has some decent content, but K Campbell is a troll. he has been for years when it comes to Kings hockey and frankly any market he doesn't consider a "hockey market". i've boycotted the fool for the better part of two years and refuse to open any link that i see him connected to, because it is one measure that THN will use to measure their writers these days.

Quick will be in net and like others have said, "you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise". Quick is the backbone of this team and personally i think it's most intense competitor. when teams score against him he takes it personally, which i love because he has historically risen to the challenge. i think his teammates then follow suit and realize they need to do more to help him. this dynamic is part of the locker room leadership that is happening behind the scenes, because it happens in any locker room once players are old enough to realize the relationship with a goalie to a team.

when it comes to Quick's demeanor and attitude in this series he has finally shown he is human. i do think that SJ has gotten into his head and it began with the M Brown check/hit in Game 1. i think he has played too aggressive and trying to be the difference maker, which has lead to some of the poor play. do i fault him entirely? not a chance there are so many breakdowns that have lead to this situation. SJ has played a smart game through 3 games and are using Quick's aggressive style against him to their benefit.

the crap with Couture the other night was a bush league move by him i felt. to me it was beneath the player we see most nights and to me is a sign he is out of control emotionally. as a goalie if he wants to exact some measure of revenge then do what keepers have done for decades. go Billy Smith on their feet, but don't sit and wrestle a guy in the crease like a little kid. he looked foolish imo.
 
Jones got a little playoff experience in game #1 which was good. If we are going to get back in this series, Quick will most likely be the key and I fully expect him to be in net for game 4
 
Rain said:
As a Canucks fan, let me tell you this is 100% right.


The Kings have an elite goalie in Quick. All starting Jones will do is make him mad, get in his head (and goaltending is such a mental position) and create a false goalie controversy with a goalie in his pride. These decisions never end up being positive.


Win or lose, let Quick have a shot at it.
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I hate that you're right.

I just have a better feeling we'd win with Jones than Quick, but the emotional backlash on quick would probably **** him up.

Canucks fan said the best reason to keep quick in. Good job.
 
Where is this "Quick mentally weak" talk coming from? When has he ever shown mental weakness? Oh, because he reacts when some plug runs into him? Please.
 
Ryou serious.amation Project said:
Where is this "Quick mentally weak" talk coming from? When has he ever shown mental weakness? Oh, because he reacts when some plug runs into him? Please.
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Lol are you serious. No one said he's mentally weak. People are saying he's looking human, he's pissed, and acting out. So his heads not in the game. Yes they run him, go watch the St. Louis, Vancouver series when they ran quick. Then tell me how he reacted in those games compared to this series.

He's not superman. People need to understand that goalies are people and players can get under their skin to the point it throws them off. The only thing I have is the same drum people keep beating that just because he's mentally tough means nothing can phase him.

I don't even blame him for being pissed, refs are letting all contact go
 
KingKopitar11 said:
The only reason quick would be in net next game is so his feelings don't get hurt and reputation.

Using logic, you don't put a guy out there that's losing his mind when players keep running him.
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KingKopitar11 said:
I hate that you're right.

I just have a better feeling we'd win with Jones than Quick, but the emotional backlash on quick would probably **** him up.

Canucks fan said the best reason to keep quick in. Good job.
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Which is it, logic or feeling? I guess it's both since Quick is so bad.

Must be nice to know for a fact that something that you think will happen, will happen, without a doubt. The only decent reason to play Quick is so that he doesn't start to cry in the corner.
 
KingKopitar11 said:
Lol are you serious. No one said he's mentally weak. People are saying he's looking human, he's pissed, and acting out. So his heads not in the game. Yes they run him, go watch the St. Louis, Vancouver series when they ran quick. Then tell me how he reacted in those games compared to this series.

He's not superman. People need to understand that goalies are people and players can get under their skin to the point it throws them off. The only thing I have is the same drum people keep beating that just because he's mentally tough means nothing can phase him.

I don't even blame him for being pissed, refs are letting all contact go
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"...but the emotional backlash on quick would probably **** him up."

That insinuates he's mentally weak.
 
Reclamation Project said:
"...but the emotional backlash on quick would probably **** him up."

That insinuates he's mentally weak.
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I think King Kopitar has made excellent points. You can say that Quick or Jones is the better choice because you believe that guy would perform better than the other one on Thursday night. Not 2012, not this season, not 2015, but Thursday night against the San Jose Sharks. Or you can say, hey, I'm not sure, but going with Jones instead of Quick in this crucial playoff game might precipitate a circus (like the Canucks fan saw in Vancouver) that will negatively affect the team long-term, whether from inside the locker room or in the media or among the fans.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Which is it, logic or feeling? I guess it's both since Quick is so bad.

Must be nice to know for a fact that something that you think will happen, will happen, without a doubt. The only decent reason to play Quick is so that he doesn't start to cry in the corner.
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Lol Im glad you realize those are two different posts. What is this supposed to say?

Reclamation Project said:
"...but the emotional backlash on quick would probably **** him up."

That insinuates he's mentally weak.
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Doesn't insinuate anything, he's the starting goalie. It's happened to many starting goalies. Losing game 4 position is a pretty big blow. LOL the comparison.
 
rain said:
as a canucks fan, let me tell you this is 100% right.


The kings have an elite goalie in quick. All starting jones will do is make him mad, get in his head (and goaltending is such a mental position) and create a false goalie controversy with a goalie in his pride. These decisions never end up being positive.


Win or lose, let quick have a shot at it.
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kingkopitar11 said:
i hate that you're right.

I just have a better feeling we'd win with jones than quick, but the emotional backlash on quick would probably **** him up.

Canucks fan said the best reason to keep quick in. Good job.
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people, the canucks have spoken!!!
 
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