GDT: starry night cane

[Svechhammer]

Re: traffic—agree need to improve but in a way I’m happy since beside DOT project, sellouts are causing traffic issues. We have just left earlier to get a spot.

Also, I wonder how many hockey adjacent spots have been take by State’s practice facility?

Who knows. Can't be too much, to be honest. Certainly not enough to cause these issues.

We are quickly getting to the point where the arena probably needs a parking deck given the issues we are seeing trying to get in.

 

[Svechhammer]

I know not everyone can do it especially weeknights but getting there early is the key. I never mind just hanging in my seat or people watching. Beats cursing the traffic gods. Can eat dinner without a crowd or missing play as well.

Think what it will be like if all the plans for development come through and you are talking parking decks for ingress and egress.

Honestly, as long as you can control flow to be all in or all out at high pressure times like they currently do, then it could actually be more efficient than it is now

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Honestly, as long as you can control flow to be all in or all out at high pressure times like they currently do, then it could actually be more efficient than it is now

How would you control flow differently?

 

[Svechhammer]

How would you control flow differently?

Right now?

Dedicated lines or lots for those who have prepaid and those who need to pay at the gate. Also, better scanners, and really, scanners that can read the ticket off Apple Pay or Google Wallet without needing to pull up the barcode. That alone would dramatically speed up the process. And do that for the scanners to get into the arena as well.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Right now?

Dedicated lines or lots for those who have prepaid and those who need to pay at the gate. Also, better scanners, and really, scanners that can read the ticket off Apple Pay or Google Wallet without needing to pull up the barcode. That alone would dramatically speed up the process. And do that for the scanners to get into the arena as well.

I can see dedicated lanes to an extent. But what if you have 70% prepaid and 30% pay at gate? How efficient is that? And people having to change lanes at the last minute?

Can see the scanning improvement. Wonder how many use ticketmaster barcodes only. Guess you could force people to use wallet or apple pay.

 

[bleedgreen]

Has he? Here is his TOI / GP and ES TOI/GP for each season.

15-16: 20:59; 18:01
16-17: 23:26; 19:24
17-18: 22:35; 19:22
18-19: 23:02; 18:50
19-20: 23:24; 19:20
20-21: 22:59; 20:08
21-22: 23:32; 18:56

Avg: 22:54 (28th in the NHL for D > 300 games)
ES: 19:08 ( 17th in the NHL for D > 300 games)
PP: 1:00 (77th in the NHL for D > 300 games)
SH: 2:46 ( 11th in the NHL for D > 300 games)

I don't know, a top pairing defenseman who is ranked in the 20s for TOI/GP doesn't seem like over-use to me. Doughty, for instance plays almost 4 min / game more than Slavin. Karlsson, Burns, Letang, Suter, Pietrangelo all play 2-3 minutes more than him. Pesce and Skjei have taken on a lot of the tough matchups the last couple of seasons as well.

I agree with you on the getting used to new partners part though.

I dont think of it purely as minutes, as much he and Pesce have been put in high pressure spots for a long time now and they didn’t have much support in those early years. Not just the rest of the defense but needing to protect weak goaltending and a forward group that is nowhere close to being the defensive team we actually are now despite at times being analytic darlings. Pesce maintaining that type of primary defensive role is part of why I think we as a group don’t appreciate #22 enough even now. A lot of dirty work for a long time.

Nino has better ability to score goals and we miss that aspect of it though. I've liked Martinook's game so far, but I'm not sure it's sustainable.

Agree.

I think we miss Nino despite Marty’s success. We love as a group to revel in the current managements ability to “see” the future and replace guys (Not just Nino) in affordable fashion or from within. Marty is doing great. We’re missing the scoring of Nino and Trocheck. It can be both.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I dont think of it purely as minutes, as much he and Pesce have been put in high pressure spots for a long time now and they didn’t have much support in those early years. Not just the rest of the defense but needing to protect weak goaltending and a forward group that is nowhere close to being the defensive team we actually are now despite at times being analytic darlings. Pesce maintaining that type of primary defensive role is part of why I think we as a group don’t appreciate #22 enough even now. A lot of dirty work for a long time.

I don't agree with your statement at all and here's why:
1) It was only 16/17 and 17/18 where the didn't have a lot of help and were put in high pressure spots. The very next season the team had Faulk, Hamilton, TVR, CDH and Fleury.
2) 19-20 and 20-21 were shortened seasons where they still had Hamilton, Pesce, Skjei (part way through 19-20) as well as some very capable depth guys (Edmundson, Cole, Hakanpaa).
3) Last season and the season before it was Pesce and Skjei taking a lot of the heat off Slavin.

IMO, there's very little support of an "overuse" stance. The TOI doesn't justify it, the usage and talent of the team doesn't justify it. Seems like we are just looking for an intangible reason to explain something.

Agree with you that many don't appreciate Pesce (and even Skjei to an extent), enough right now. There's a reason why so many fans of so many teams have coveted Pesce for years.

I think we miss Nino despite Marty’s success. We love as a group to revel in the current managements ability to “see” the future and replace guys (Not just Nino) in affordable fashion or from within. Marty is doing great. We’re missing the scoring of Nino and Trocheck. It can be both.

I agree. I think part Necas has made up for some of the scoring loss with his improvement. I also think losing Patches before the season started made the loss of Nino more impactful.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't agree with your statement at all and here's why:
1) It was only 16/17 and 17/18 where the didn't have a lot of help and were put in high pressure spots. The very next season the team had Faulk, Hamilton, TVR, CDH and Fleury.
2) 19-20 and 20-21 were shortened seasons where they still had Hamilton, Pesce, Skjei (part way through 19-20) as well as some very capable depth guys (Edmundson, Cole, Hakanpaa).
3) Last season and the season before it was Pesce and Skjei taking a lot of the heat off Slavin.

IMO, there's very little support of an "overuse" stance. The TOI doesn't justify it, the usage and talent of the team doesn't justify it. Seems like we are just looking for an intangible reason to explain something.

Agree with you that many don't appreciate Pesce (and even Skjei to an extent), enough right now. There's a reason why so many fans of so many teams have coveted Pesce for years.

I agree. I think part Necas has made up for some of the scoring loss with his improvement. I also think losing Patches before the season started made the loss of Nino more impactful.

I suspected you would feel this way and understand your arguments. You like numbers and I give them a cursory perusal than lean more on what I see. I feel we‘ve used them in every big moment we felt like we could lean on them for a long time and I feel at times I’ve seen them both show signs of wear from that. I agree with @hblueridgegal that Slavin looks off mentally this year. Tired?.…maybe just not in as good a mood. He’s a Dad now, maybe life gets conflicted with work and it becomes more of a job while still having that goal to win it all? Pure speculation obviously but he doesn’t seem quite the same guy on the rink this season so far.

I think for Slavin and Pesce who have had such big roles since they day they arrived, for us to finally have had some success probably felt great those first couple of years but now it’s all about the playoffs and the grind of the regular season probably isn’t what it used to be. Aho may have some of this too but as a forward if he isn’t at his best one night here or there the spotlight doesnt have nearly the same harshness it does to a dman.

 

[AD Skinner]

I think for Slavin and Pesce who have had such big roles since they day they arrived, for us to finally have had some success probably felt great those first couple of years but now it’s all about the playoffs and the grind of the regular season probably isn’t what it used to be. Aho may have some of this too but as a forward if he isn’t at his best one night here or there the spotlight doesnt have nearly the same harshness it does to a dman.

This is why even when they were on that relative skid I wasn't too concerned. Slavin especially with the newborn but I fell like a lot of the returning cast have got to be feeling like they're going through the motions until the games start to matter more. Heck they've barely even played any division games yet.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I suspected you would feel this way and understand your arguments. You like numbers and I give them a cursory perusal than lean more on what I see. I feel we‘ve used them in every big moment we felt like we could lean on them for a long time and I feel at times I’ve seen them both show signs of wear from that.

I don't just use numbers, I use numbers to support what I see. My point is that I don't see Slavin being overused compared to other top pairing defensemen in the NHL. They are top pairing for a reason and get leaned on in every big moment. That's fine if we don't agree.

I agree with @hblueridgegal that Slavin looks off mentally this year. Tired?.…maybe just not in as good a mood. He’s a Dad now, maybe life gets conflicted with work and it becomes more of a job while still having that goal to win it all? Pure speculation obviously but he doesn’t seem quite the same guy on the rink this season so far.

I think for Slavin and Pesce who have had such big roles since they day they arrived, for us to finally have had some success probably felt great those first couple of years but now it’s all about the playoffs and the grind of the regular season probably isn’t what it used to be. Aho may have some of this too but as a forward if he isn’t at his best one night here or there the spotlight doesnt have nearly the same harshness it does to a dman.

Possibly.

 

[Unsustainable]

Svech was on his game again last night, he’s becoming more of that power forward player

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I just saw this on Twitter. Shouldn't the N&Os Canes' beat writer give...a little more...after a victory?

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't just use numbers, I use numbers to support what I see. My point is that I don't see Slavin being overused compared to other top pairing defensemen in the NHL. They are top pairing for a reason and get leaned on in every big moment. That's fine if we don't agree.




Possibly.

I don’t compare him to other d, I just take him as he is. I don’t see many I would compare to him even if I wanted to, he’s pretty unique. Like you I’ve watched the majority of his career and that’s just how I feel about it. It’s ok we see it different naturally, I respect your opinion.

 

[Bub]

I just saw this on Twitter. Shouldn't the N&Os Canes' beat writer give...a little more...after a victory?

He keeps it inside, where it counts.

 

[chaz4hockey]

He keeps it inside, where it counts.

He saves his detail for n&zero.

He keeps it inside, where it counts.

He saves his detail for n&zero

 

[NotOpie]

Seems like we are just looking for an intangible reason to explain something.

I think it is easily explained by the 2nd child and the likelihood of lack of sleep, stress, etc.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think it is easily explained by the 2nd child and the likelihood of lack of sleep, stress, etc.

Even beyond the sleep/stress stuff, some guys experience a pretty big personality shift after having children. Maybe it's some biological thing, maybe it's a shift in what you value in life, I don't know, but it seems to take away some of that hyper-masculine aggression that characterizes a young athlete. I've known at least a couple of guys who would flat-out tear your head off in competition in their younger years, who were still very intense but much less edgy after kids. For someone like Slavin who is approaching 30 and has a generally mild personality to begin with, being a father and a multimillionaire might just not be complementary to maintaining the intensity that he had when he was a few years younger.

It also really might be as simple as understanding that regular season games aren't anything to break your body over, when you're in the middle of a Cup contention window. Getting that extra point is actually not that important in the scheme of things.